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On September 23 2011 07:16 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 21:23 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 07:49 nanaoei wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time. Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation. actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again. On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:On September 22 2011 00:00 ppshchik wrote:On September 21 2011 21:45 flipstar wrote:
I hope he fails horribly as I truely dislike his character. Fans caring more about one person's character instead of his dedication+ambition pretty much shows why the NA SC2 scene sucks No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character. Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance. - Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
- Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
- Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him. This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet) He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year. there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to. so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect k i really think you're simply pulling stuff slightly out of context for yourself. majOr has done some uncool stuff leading up til' now. one example would be, 'mouthing off' to a SEA tournament admin to his heart's content. i think a lot of people can put this into their own personal perspective, and say that 9 times out of 10, they would not have done the same in any way----perhaps this is where most people float that maturity word. and yeah, there are people everywhere and at juan's age who have crazy expectations of them, and for themselves. it's not that bad to compare that to what majOr's done in the limelight, because this -is- his job on another note, i don't remember anywhere where he apologized for anything [that was considered unprofessional of him]. he brought up a legit example of the sea tourneys rules actually making no sense, and them bending over to get certain famous players in to boost their viewership, so he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously. like ive said 100 times, people are just being unfairly harsh on him where other players would be forgiven. but because its already been decided hes a bad guy, people cling to the hate and stack it up making him look like a bad guy, when hes no worse than others who are forgiven and forgotten instantly. He asked the organizers if he could enter the tournament. They said no. He still registered anyway. They saw it and clearly told him he isn't eligible. He then pretended to be somebody else and played in the tournament. When he was caught he just his action by saying "cuz ur being a fag" and blamed the organizers for making bad rules. Whether these rules are bad is up to debate, but do realize that the organizers were running that entire tournament out of their own pocket to improve the quality of SEA pro scene. It is really up to them what to do with their own money. None of all this "he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously". He pretended to be someone else who is a SEA resident because he clearly understood that he wasn't supposed to play in it. What other players were just "forgiven and forgotten instantly" after pulling a stunt like this?
many people who have been caught cheating in sc1 have been allowed back into the community
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On September 26 2011 12:10 Holykitty wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 07:16 Sein wrote:On September 22 2011 21:23 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 07:49 nanaoei wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time. Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation. actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again. On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:On September 22 2011 00:00 ppshchik wrote:
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Fans caring more about one person's character instead of his dedication+ambition pretty much shows why the NA SC2 scene sucks No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character. Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance. - Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
- Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
- Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him. This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet) He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year. there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to. so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect k i really think you're simply pulling stuff slightly out of context for yourself. majOr has done some uncool stuff leading up til' now. one example would be, 'mouthing off' to a SEA tournament admin to his heart's content. i think a lot of people can put this into their own personal perspective, and say that 9 times out of 10, they would not have done the same in any way----perhaps this is where most people float that maturity word. and yeah, there are people everywhere and at juan's age who have crazy expectations of them, and for themselves. it's not that bad to compare that to what majOr's done in the limelight, because this -is- his job on another note, i don't remember anywhere where he apologized for anything [that was considered unprofessional of him]. he brought up a legit example of the sea tourneys rules actually making no sense, and them bending over to get certain famous players in to boost their viewership, so he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously. like ive said 100 times, people are just being unfairly harsh on him where other players would be forgiven. but because its already been decided hes a bad guy, people cling to the hate and stack it up making him look like a bad guy, when hes no worse than others who are forgiven and forgotten instantly. He asked the organizers if he could enter the tournament. They said no. He still registered anyway. They saw it and clearly told him he isn't eligible. He then pretended to be somebody else and played in the tournament. When he was caught he just his action by saying "cuz ur being a fag" and blamed the organizers for making bad rules. Whether these rules are bad is up to debate, but do realize that the organizers were running that entire tournament out of their own pocket to improve the quality of SEA pro scene. It is really up to them what to do with their own money. None of all this "he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously". He pretended to be someone else who is a SEA resident because he clearly understood that he wasn't supposed to play in it. What other players were just "forgiven and forgotten instantly" after pulling a stunt like this? many people who have been caught cheating in sc1 have been allowed back into the community
Except he did this in SC2, not years ago in BW.
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On September 26 2011 12:25 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 12:10 Holykitty wrote:On September 23 2011 07:16 Sein wrote:On September 22 2011 21:23 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 07:49 nanaoei wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time. Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation. actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again. On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:[quote] No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character. Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance. - Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
- Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
- Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him. This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet) He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year. there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to. so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect k i really think you're simply pulling stuff slightly out of context for yourself. majOr has done some uncool stuff leading up til' now. one example would be, 'mouthing off' to a SEA tournament admin to his heart's content. i think a lot of people can put this into their own personal perspective, and say that 9 times out of 10, they would not have done the same in any way----perhaps this is where most people float that maturity word. and yeah, there are people everywhere and at juan's age who have crazy expectations of them, and for themselves. it's not that bad to compare that to what majOr's done in the limelight, because this -is- his job on another note, i don't remember anywhere where he apologized for anything [that was considered unprofessional of him]. he brought up a legit example of the sea tourneys rules actually making no sense, and them bending over to get certain famous players in to boost their viewership, so he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously. like ive said 100 times, people are just being unfairly harsh on him where other players would be forgiven. but because its already been decided hes a bad guy, people cling to the hate and stack it up making him look like a bad guy, when hes no worse than others who are forgiven and forgotten instantly. He asked the organizers if he could enter the tournament. They said no. He still registered anyway. They saw it and clearly told him he isn't eligible. He then pretended to be somebody else and played in the tournament. When he was caught he just his action by saying "cuz ur being a fag" and blamed the organizers for making bad rules. Whether these rules are bad is up to debate, but do realize that the organizers were running that entire tournament out of their own pocket to improve the quality of SEA pro scene. It is really up to them what to do with their own money. None of all this "he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously". He pretended to be someone else who is a SEA resident because he clearly understood that he wasn't supposed to play in it. What other players were just "forgiven and forgotten instantly" after pulling a stunt like this? many people who have been caught cheating in sc1 have been allowed back into the community Except he did this in SC2, not years ago in BW.
Why does that make a difference?
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On September 26 2011 12:25 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 12:10 Holykitty wrote:On September 23 2011 07:16 Sein wrote:On September 22 2011 21:23 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 07:49 nanaoei wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time. Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation. actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again. On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:[quote] No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character. Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance. - Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
- Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
- Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him. This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet) He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year. there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to. so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect k i really think you're simply pulling stuff slightly out of context for yourself. majOr has done some uncool stuff leading up til' now. one example would be, 'mouthing off' to a SEA tournament admin to his heart's content. i think a lot of people can put this into their own personal perspective, and say that 9 times out of 10, they would not have done the same in any way----perhaps this is where most people float that maturity word. and yeah, there are people everywhere and at juan's age who have crazy expectations of them, and for themselves. it's not that bad to compare that to what majOr's done in the limelight, because this -is- his job on another note, i don't remember anywhere where he apologized for anything [that was considered unprofessional of him]. he brought up a legit example of the sea tourneys rules actually making no sense, and them bending over to get certain famous players in to boost their viewership, so he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously. like ive said 100 times, people are just being unfairly harsh on him where other players would be forgiven. but because its already been decided hes a bad guy, people cling to the hate and stack it up making him look like a bad guy, when hes no worse than others who are forgiven and forgotten instantly. He asked the organizers if he could enter the tournament. They said no. He still registered anyway. They saw it and clearly told him he isn't eligible. He then pretended to be somebody else and played in the tournament. When he was caught he just his action by saying "cuz ur being a fag" and blamed the organizers for making bad rules. Whether these rules are bad is up to debate, but do realize that the organizers were running that entire tournament out of their own pocket to improve the quality of SEA pro scene. It is really up to them what to do with their own money. None of all this "he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously". He pretended to be someone else who is a SEA resident because he clearly understood that he wasn't supposed to play in it. What other players were just "forgiven and forgotten instantly" after pulling a stunt like this? many people who have been caught cheating in sc1 have been allowed back into the community Except he did this in SC2, not years ago in BW.
oh so we can forget about his team hoping then?
oh wait thats repeated 100 times a thread
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expected to see some new info on majors stay in tsl
instead i see people talking about events from weeks ago x.x
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On September 26 2011 13:00 Let it Raine wrote:
expected to see some new info on majors stay in tsl
instead i see people talking about events from weeks ago x.x
oh the irony ^^
inb4 inception irony
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this should be a good oppurtunity for Major.
hopefully he performs well.
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On September 26 2011 12:27 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 12:25 Zooper31 wrote:On September 26 2011 12:10 Holykitty wrote:On September 23 2011 07:16 Sein wrote:On September 22 2011 21:23 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 07:49 nanaoei wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:
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If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:
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If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time. Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation. actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again. On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:
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This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet)
He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year. there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to. so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect k i really think you're simply pulling stuff slightly out of context for yourself. majOr has done some uncool stuff leading up til' now. one example would be, 'mouthing off' to a SEA tournament admin to his heart's content. i think a lot of people can put this into their own personal perspective, and say that 9 times out of 10, they would not have done the same in any way----perhaps this is where most people float that maturity word. and yeah, there are people everywhere and at juan's age who have crazy expectations of them, and for themselves. it's not that bad to compare that to what majOr's done in the limelight, because this -is- his job on another note, i don't remember anywhere where he apologized for anything [that was considered unprofessional of him]. he brought up a legit example of the sea tourneys rules actually making no sense, and them bending over to get certain famous players in to boost their viewership, so he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously. like ive said 100 times, people are just being unfairly harsh on him where other players would be forgiven. but because its already been decided hes a bad guy, people cling to the hate and stack it up making him look like a bad guy, when hes no worse than others who are forgiven and forgotten instantly. He asked the organizers if he could enter the tournament. They said no. He still registered anyway. They saw it and clearly told him he isn't eligible. He then pretended to be somebody else and played in the tournament. When he was caught he just his action by saying "cuz ur being a fag" and blamed the organizers for making bad rules. Whether these rules are bad is up to debate, but do realize that the organizers were running that entire tournament out of their own pocket to improve the quality of SEA pro scene. It is really up to them what to do with their own money. None of all this "he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously". He pretended to be someone else who is a SEA resident because he clearly understood that he wasn't supposed to play in it. What other players were just "forgiven and forgotten instantly" after pulling a stunt like this? many people who have been caught cheating in sc1 have been allowed back into the community Except he did this in SC2, not years ago in BW. Why does that make a difference?
Its reasonable to assume that someone MAY have changed a lot after a long period of time. It is not reasonable to assume that someone changed a lot after a short period of time.
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On September 26 2011 12:57 Holykitty wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 12:25 Zooper31 wrote:On September 26 2011 12:10 Holykitty wrote:On September 23 2011 07:16 Sein wrote:On September 22 2011 21:23 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 07:49 nanaoei wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:
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If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:
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If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time. Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation. actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again. On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:
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This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet)
He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year. there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to. so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect k i really think you're simply pulling stuff slightly out of context for yourself. majOr has done some uncool stuff leading up til' now. one example would be, 'mouthing off' to a SEA tournament admin to his heart's content. i think a lot of people can put this into their own personal perspective, and say that 9 times out of 10, they would not have done the same in any way----perhaps this is where most people float that maturity word. and yeah, there are people everywhere and at juan's age who have crazy expectations of them, and for themselves. it's not that bad to compare that to what majOr's done in the limelight, because this -is- his job on another note, i don't remember anywhere where he apologized for anything [that was considered unprofessional of him]. he brought up a legit example of the sea tourneys rules actually making no sense, and them bending over to get certain famous players in to boost their viewership, so he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously. like ive said 100 times, people are just being unfairly harsh on him where other players would be forgiven. but because its already been decided hes a bad guy, people cling to the hate and stack it up making him look like a bad guy, when hes no worse than others who are forgiven and forgotten instantly. He asked the organizers if he could enter the tournament. They said no. He still registered anyway. They saw it and clearly told him he isn't eligible. He then pretended to be somebody else and played in the tournament. When he was caught he just his action by saying "cuz ur being a fag" and blamed the organizers for making bad rules. Whether these rules are bad is up to debate, but do realize that the organizers were running that entire tournament out of their own pocket to improve the quality of SEA pro scene. It is really up to them what to do with their own money. None of all this "he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously". He pretended to be someone else who is a SEA resident because he clearly understood that he wasn't supposed to play in it. What other players were just "forgiven and forgotten instantly" after pulling a stunt like this? many people who have been caught cheating in sc1 have been allowed back into the community Except he did this in SC2, not years ago in BW. oh so we can forget about his team hoping then? oh wait thats repeated 100 times a thread
Except he's done it in SC2 as well. Not as frequently as BW(he hit something like 7 teams in a week, iirc), granted.
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artosis thinks he is a good guy. now we can all stop arguing 
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On September 26 2011 13:14 kazie wrote:artosis thinks he is a good guy. now we can all stop arguing
No he thinks hes a good player.
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This is awesome!
Looking forward ot future episodes
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On September 26 2011 13:26 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 13:14 kazie wrote:artosis thinks he is a good guy. now we can all stop arguing No he thinks hes a good player.
I sincerely doubt you know what's going through Dan's mind. but thanks for letting the community know what you think his opinion is.
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On September 26 2011 16:19 Itallion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 13:26 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On September 26 2011 13:14 kazie wrote:artosis thinks he is a good guy. now we can all stop arguing No he thinks hes a good player. I sincerely doubt you know what's going through Dan's mind. but thanks for letting the community know what you think his opinion is.
I admit I was in a bad mood when I wrote that. Should have written it differently. To rephrase its been well known that the reason Artosis wants to send Major to Korea is not because he is a good person but because he is a good player. So in the end what kazie said doesn't matter if he thinks Major is a good person or not because that is not why Artosis tried so hard to get him to Korea all this time. Its because he thinks hes good regardless of all the troubles that follow with him. The whole reason for all the arguments in the thread is because of this. I will not claim to know what is going on in Artosis's mind and of all people he knows best that hes taking a big risk sending Major to Korea and vouching for him.
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Does this mean that MajOr will now have to wear...those pants..? *shudders*
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Well, I guess everyone knows this but Artosis' statement in stog was ambiguous, Major lives in TSL house but he is not in TSL, and TSL has currently no plan to recruit him. Major should leave the house after (or at) Blizzcon.
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On September 26 2011 12:25 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 12:10 Holykitty wrote:On September 23 2011 07:16 Sein wrote:On September 22 2011 21:23 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 07:49 nanaoei wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time. Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation. actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again. On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:[quote] No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character. Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance. - Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
- Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
- Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him. This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet) He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year. there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to. so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect k i really think you're simply pulling stuff slightly out of context for yourself. majOr has done some uncool stuff leading up til' now. one example would be, 'mouthing off' to a SEA tournament admin to his heart's content. i think a lot of people can put this into their own personal perspective, and say that 9 times out of 10, they would not have done the same in any way----perhaps this is where most people float that maturity word. and yeah, there are people everywhere and at juan's age who have crazy expectations of them, and for themselves. it's not that bad to compare that to what majOr's done in the limelight, because this -is- his job on another note, i don't remember anywhere where he apologized for anything [that was considered unprofessional of him]. he brought up a legit example of the sea tourneys rules actually making no sense, and them bending over to get certain famous players in to boost their viewership, so he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously. like ive said 100 times, people are just being unfairly harsh on him where other players would be forgiven. but because its already been decided hes a bad guy, people cling to the hate and stack it up making him look like a bad guy, when hes no worse than others who are forgiven and forgotten instantly. He asked the organizers if he could enter the tournament. They said no. He still registered anyway. They saw it and clearly told him he isn't eligible. He then pretended to be somebody else and played in the tournament. When he was caught he just his action by saying "cuz ur being a fag" and blamed the organizers for making bad rules. Whether these rules are bad is up to debate, but do realize that the organizers were running that entire tournament out of their own pocket to improve the quality of SEA pro scene. It is really up to them what to do with their own money. None of all this "he thought they didnt take the sea only rule seriously". He pretended to be someone else who is a SEA resident because he clearly understood that he wasn't supposed to play in it. What other players were just "forgiven and forgotten instantly" after pulling a stunt like this? many people who have been caught cheating in sc1 have been allowed back into the community Except he did this in SC2, not years ago in BW.
years ago? Dimaga cheating in TSL2 was like a year ago
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ok so
he hopped a few teams
he had a fight with an admin about some online SEA tourney
then you regularly have pros like Spades talk bad and no one cares. You shouldn't care, so why would you for Major who's better than many people when it comes to manner.
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There are tons of professional players of many sports that are bad mannered and usually brake the rules (that's why there is fault, yellow card, and finally red card xD, and in basketball there are like 5 warnings) and that still doesn't make them bad or not desirable players.
Their career will still grow and sometime they will change and become better players.
That's all, deal with it if you think that SC2 is, or is becoming, a eSport.
So then major ain't TSL_Major like IMFenix right ?
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On September 27 2011 05:53 Joey Wheeler wrote:
ok so
he hopped a few teams
he had a fight with an admin about some online SEA tourney
then you regularly have pros like Spades talk bad and no one cares. You shouldn't care, so why would you for Major who's better than many people when it comes to manner.
you really shouldn't try to be logical about all this
people are just sippin on haterade and are sensitive as hell
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