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On September 22 2011 04:57 RusHXceL wrote:
OP is wrong.
He did not JOIN TSL.
It has been mentionned like some hours ago
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On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live?
By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game.
Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous.
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Well said Dfgj, seriously I don't understand all these people saying 18 year old's are dumb and can't make any decisions. At the age of 18 you can drink in most countries, you can vote, you can pick what college you want to go to, you can drive a car. Just because you maybe wouldn't make the same decisions at 45 doesn't mean you are incompetent.
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On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous.
when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story
On September 22 2011 04:26 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:15 Klyberess wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Yeah how dare someone take longer to mature than your arbitrarily set time. Maturity isn't some chemical reaction. It is a decision you can make at any age in any situation.
actually its been proven that adolescent brain chemistry makes it more difficult to be rational, try again.
On September 22 2011 04:09 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:On September 22 2011 00:00 ppshchik wrote:On September 21 2011 21:45 flipstar wrote:
I hope he fails horribly as I truely dislike his character. Fans caring more about one person's character instead of his dedication+ambition pretty much shows why the NA SC2 scene sucks No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character. Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance. - Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
- Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
- Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him. This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet) He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year. there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to.
so what you're saying is people who hadnt been to korea, let alone lived in a pro house, decided how long it takes for the training to take effect
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God I really hope this kid gets his mentality and attitude together. He really does have a massive amount of talent and could mature into a fantastic player.
Kinda hard to have that happen (or root for him) if your always switching teams, being involved in drama, and causing problems.
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On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story
No, they do not. This is obvious, and it was never claimed otherwise. Your point?
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On September 22 2011 05:23 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story No, they do not. This is obvious, and it was never claimed otherwise. Your point?
you're point is that 18 year olds are trusted to use deadly force
my point is that they arent
im sure you can find an example of an active serviceman who's only 18, but they have probably been in some kind of army system for 3+ years to get there. this magical line of turning 18 and actually like an old man isnt fair on people.
if you think 18 is a mature age i would argue that you dont know many 18 year olds
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On September 22 2011 05:24 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:23 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story No, they do not. This is obvious, and it was never claimed otherwise. Your point? you're point is that 18 year olds are trusted to use deadly force my point is that they arent
You are factually incorrect in this matter, and your post didn't make that point at all - unless you're implying you wouldn't handle a gun until you'd been in basic for a year. If you assume this, please see the start of my post again.
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On September 22 2011 05:26 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:24 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:23 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story No, they do not. This is obvious, and it was never claimed otherwise. Your point? you're point is that 18 year olds are trusted to use deadly force my point is that they arent You are factually incorrect in this matter, and your post didn't make that point at all - unless you're implying you wouldn't handle a gun until you'd been in basic for a year. If you assume this, please see the start of my post again.
boot camp is completely different to 'real world'. this situation is grow up or get out, and many many people do get out, showing that not everyone is picture perfect at 18
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On September 22 2011 05:26 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:26 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 05:24 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:23 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story No, they do not. This is obvious, and it was never claimed otherwise. Your point? you're point is that 18 year olds are trusted to use deadly force my point is that they arent You are factually incorrect in this matter, and your post didn't make that point at all - unless you're implying you wouldn't handle a gun until you'd been in basic for a year. If you assume this, please see the start of my post again. boot camp is completely different to 'real world'. this situation is grow up or get out, and many many people do get out, showing that not everyone is picture perfect at 18
Basic here does not have an 'out', barring medical reasoning or confinement to detention barracks, so again, off with the facts. The important point you've brought up, however, is that people grow up - but why limit this to this situation? We could say the same - not everyone is picture perfect at 14/15 when they enter high school, but should be moreso at the end.
Unless you're arguing that people live in isolation tanks until the age of 18, where they begin to mature, I don't think your point stands. 18 year olds should be, and are, trusted to function as adults. Using age as an excuse at that point is silly.
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I hope Major streams while he is in korea XD
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On September 22 2011 05:31 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:26 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:26 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 05:24 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:23 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story No, they do not. This is obvious, and it was never claimed otherwise. Your point? you're point is that 18 year olds are trusted to use deadly force my point is that they arent You are factually incorrect in this matter, and your post didn't make that point at all - unless you're implying you wouldn't handle a gun until you'd been in basic for a year. If you assume this, please see the start of my post again. boot camp is completely different to 'real world'. this situation is grow up or get out, and many many people do get out, showing that not everyone is picture perfect at 18 Basic here does not have an 'out', barring medical reasoning or confinement to detention barracks, so again, off with the facts. The important point you've brought up, however, is that people grow up - but why limit this to this situation? We could say the same - not everyone is picture perfect at 14/15 when they enter high school, but should be moreso at the end. Unless you're arguing that people live in isolation tanks until the age of 18, where they begin to mature, I don't think your point stands. 18 year olds should be, and are, trusted to function as adults. Using age as an excuse at that point is silly.
Most men do not reach maturity until their late 20s.. I am not talking about something as silly as holding a gun -- for which a half-assed training for a period of time is enough -- I am talking about becoming a person who knows himself well and sees and talks with others with respect and tolerance, only life experiences will teach you that.. at 18, most kids are really very stupid.
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On September 22 2011 05:41 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:31 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 05:26 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:26 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 05:24 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:23 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:
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If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all.
Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story No, they do not. This is obvious, and it was never claimed otherwise. Your point? you're point is that 18 year olds are trusted to use deadly force my point is that they arent You are factually incorrect in this matter, and your post didn't make that point at all - unless you're implying you wouldn't handle a gun until you'd been in basic for a year. If you assume this, please see the start of my post again. boot camp is completely different to 'real world'. this situation is grow up or get out, and many many people do get out, showing that not everyone is picture perfect at 18 Basic here does not have an 'out', barring medical reasoning or confinement to detention barracks, so again, off with the facts. The important point you've brought up, however, is that people grow up - but why limit this to this situation? We could say the same - not everyone is picture perfect at 14/15 when they enter high school, but should be moreso at the end. Unless you're arguing that people live in isolation tanks until the age of 18, where they begin to mature, I don't think your point stands. 18 year olds should be, and are, trusted to function as adults. Using age as an excuse at that point is silly. Most men do not reach maturity until their late 20s.. I am not talking about something as silly as holding a gun -- for which a half-assed training for a period of time is enough -- I am talking about becoming a person who knows himself well and sees and talks with others with respect and tolerance, only life experiences will teach you that.. at 18, most kids are really very stupid.
(Replying to the entire quote train)
I'm sure he will grow up eventually because he does have room to mature. However, keep in mind that he is also a professional which I think is the key difference between a normal 18 year old and somebody in his position. If he joins a team, he represents that team and if he acts foolishly it looks bad professionally. Also if he goofs off and/or goes off on another true BM streak, it will look bad on both himself AND Artosis who, from what I've seen, has helped him immensely. (Artosis is a gentleman and a scholar).
That being said I again wish him the best, he is very privileged to be entrusted with a good environment and people who support him. Good luck to you Juan.
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18 year olds should be, and are, trusted to function as adults. Using age as an excuse at that point is silly.
Maybe they should be, but most 18 year olds do not function like adults. Hell most 23-24 year olds do not. Go to a college for a week and you will see how stupid we all are.
I don't think you just magically mature at a certain age. From my experience I have noticed that a lot of depends on a person's background and situation growing up. I know people who at 16 were working 60 hour weeks trying to survive on their own....and this is the kind of thing that made them "mature". People who have a cushy life growing up tend to take longer. Just my thoughts, and I could be wrong.
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On September 22 2011 05:24 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:23 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous. when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story No, they do not. This is obvious, and it was never claimed otherwise. Your point? you're point is that 18 year olds are trusted to use deadly force my point is that they arent im sure you can find an example of an active serviceman who's only 18, but they have probably been in some kind of army system for 3+ years to get there. this magical line of turning 18 and actually like an old man isnt fair on people. if you think 18 is a mature age i would argue that you dont know many 18 year olds
My granda lied about his age and joined the Royal Navy in 1938 when he was 15.
Not that I agree/disagree with the retarded argument. But your strong opinions aren't facts.
Fact - Maj0r has been bm.
Fact - I couldn't give a monkeys.
Fact - You will all watch him play, and look at the sponsors on his shirt.
Fact - He will get signed to a pro team.
Also ♥ Maj0r, good luck in Korea.
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On September 22 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:
when you join the army at 18 they give you a loaded gun first day true story
In less than two weeks.
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I think its entirely rude to talk about him as a bad person with a poor mentality who is just a kid. Everyone is entitled to their own personality whether you like it or not, and I think that TL should stand up for this sentiment.
A horse is a bad person, a kid is a goat, and Major has a genius mind capable of understanding complex interactions and strategies. Normally, you don't associate that with 'poor mentality'.
GL in korea Major!
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On September 22 2011 05:13 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:34 s4life wrote:On September 22 2011 04:10 babo213 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:41 hahaimhenry wrote:
i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well. If he hasn't matured by now I doubt he will in the near future. Using his age is a lame excuse. He's been around the environment long enough that he should have matured by now, but he hasn't at all. Uh??? if a person is not mature at friggin 18, you doubt he'll ever mature??? do people marry at 14 where you live? By 18, we're in the army and training to wield lethal force. You're arguing that 18 year olds can't be expected to act properly over a video game. Claiming that 18 is still a 'kid' and using that as an excuse is absolutely ridiculous.
The army recruits pretty much anybody, especially kids not knowing what they want to do with their lives. They even go for kids that are somewhat of misfits that were acting up in high school.
I don't know how old you are but being 18 is still considered young, a lot of people will look back at that age and remember some of the 'stupid' stuff that they had done.
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i hope major is thankful for this. seems like a big commitment by artosis to help him
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Maybe someone can fill me in cause I've obviously missed something, but what has Major done that has got him such a negative rep among some people?
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