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On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 00:00 ppshchik wrote:On September 21 2011 21:45 flipstar wrote:
I hope he fails horribly as I truely dislike his character. Fans caring more about one person's character instead of his dedication+ambition pretty much shows why the NA SC2 scene sucks No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character. Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance. - Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
- Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
- Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him.
This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet)
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On September 22 2011 02:53 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:16 IPA wrote:On September 22 2011 02:04 aepal wrote:
This guy is such a beast, he deserves to be on one of the best teams of the world.
With practice like that he should become even better, cant wait to see him owning up the Koreans from Korea :D Why does he deserve that after his team hopping and BM? He deserves nothing. no one questions naniwa's team hoping and BM because he's 'popular' i cant believe we will need to have this discussion time and time again. 90% of his team hopping was done in BW when the western scene was little more than a kids club, everyone knew he was too good for them yet because of the way sc1 was he couldnt get to korea. his BM has been no more than naniwa's, idras, hell even people like ret (nice guys) call people retards on their stream. but theres no hate band wagon against ret so people just let it slide, because its not a big deal.
Naniwa did a incredible turn around since last year when he was banned from ESL tournaments, I see no reason for bashing him atm.This is not Juan's case, he is still a immature BM player just like IdrA.
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Cool video  For Artosis's sake, I hope Juan really shines.
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I'm just hoping he matured and dont make a fool of himself. The reputation of foreigner is really bad on TSL side because of the puma drama so i really hope he stepped up his game and make us proud.
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If he cleans up his act I'd be happy to support him but until then I don't really care much if he is over there or what.
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On September 22 2011 03:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Cool video For Artosis's sake, I hope Juan really shines.
exactly what i'm thinking.. I hope Juan appreciates artosis' effort to get him there
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I'm quite surprised he was picked up by TSL, however, I, like many people, are hoping that he manages to stick with the team for a while and acts mature during his time with a Korean team.
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Thanks for video!
I'm sure Juan will become better in Korea , best of luck!
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Honestly, you cannot put Naniwa's past and IdrA (current state) in the same category as MajOr. Juan has been the same ever since the BW days and has yet to change for the better.
Naniwa was pretty BM and hopped on different teams like MajOr, but he changed and is nothing like the person he was before. Besides attitude and personality, he is no longer the 1 base all in player that people knew him for.
IdrA maybe be considered an asshole online, but in real life, he is pretty chill and a cool guy. If that wasn't the case, then why do other progamers hang around and talk to him as if they are friends? Because they are. Look at all the shit talking that IdrA said about HuK, but when it comes to a LAN tournament environment, they are seen to be buddy buddy (I.E. picture of HuK massaging IdrA"s back and IdrA with a huge smile).
As you can see, the community only hates on Juan because of his attitude and how uncooperative he was in past teams. There is no denying that he is a strong player and one of the best in NA, but many of us are still shocked to see how many chances he was given.
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What excatly did artosis do? Major said him self he had offers from foreign teams and decided to go with a korean team.
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Thanks for the video, hopefully he does okay in Korea.
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i think he'll mature, he's been really frustrated lately cause he hasnt gone to korea yet when he was supposedly told he was by artosis and his ex-team. i think he'll come out strong, i enjoyed his play while he was in NA, and it'll be even better now that he's in SK
EDIT: not to mention he's only 18, he's still a kid and there's a lot he still has to learn, i hope TSL can teach and mentor him well.
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Obviously, I don't personally know Artosis, but he seems like such a great guy. I mean, after all the things that Juan has done Artosis is still willing to help him out.
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On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:On September 22 2011 00:00 ppshchik wrote:On September 21 2011 21:45 flipstar wrote:
I hope he fails horribly as I truely dislike his character. Fans caring more about one person's character instead of his dedication+ambition pretty much shows why the NA SC2 scene sucks No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character. Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance. - Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
- Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
- Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him. This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet)
He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year.
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Lol incontrol seems pretty upset. Jealous perhaps.
Just like Idra said, the only thing that should matter is skill and how good you are at the game, not personality. (Though i love Major and rockstar's attitude).
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Best of luck to major. He can become a force with training under TSL. I do hope he does become a more mature person for this opportuntiy.
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This is great, nice to see Artosis finally got what he wanted!
Best of luck to Major!
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On September 22 2011 03:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 02:54 nath wrote:On September 22 2011 00:19 Shockk wrote:On September 22 2011 00:00 ppshchik wrote:On September 21 2011 21:45 flipstar wrote:
I hope he fails horribly as I truely dislike his character. Fans caring more about one person's character instead of his dedication+ambition pretty much shows why the NA SC2 scene sucks No. Fans caring about character means they want to see decent human beings. That's why TLO is so popular; he may not have shown the best results lately, but he's simply an awesome guy. I wouldn't neccessarily agree with flipstar in actually wishing Major bad, but I share the sentiment about his character. Major is - excuse my french - an immature brat. Simple as that. His whole career is that of a person spoiled beyond salvation by his (undeniable) skill. He has internalized the belief that he is superior to other people in his line of "work" and treats them just like that: with contempt and arrogance. - Some people may argue that skill justifies that. I say it doesn't, I say there's a line that he has crossed a long time ago.
- Some will say that he's still young and will grow up and mature in the future. You know what? I was 14-18 at some point too, and I managed to not be a total jerk at that age, on- and offline. I had no respect or understanding for such people back then and I certainly don't now.
- Others might just blindly hope for a foreign player to rise to korean levels regardless of the character behind it. I'm not sure we really want our "western ambassadors" be infamous for their manners instead of being famous for their prowess.
I realize some - many - people don't agree with this opinion. I accept that; I'm not happy about it, but everyone is entitled to speak his/her mind. But I'm glad I'm not the only one to speak up in this rather large crowd of people cheering for a guy that I'd have ignored or pummeled in the school yard for his behaviour instead of applauding him. This is what people thought about idrA too in Broodwar, when he went to Korea to be a B-teamer on CJ entus and disappear into obscurity...only to come back in sc2 with much greater community support and the skills of a champion (not the mindset yet) He didn't disappear into obscurity, he used the skills he gained in korea to win 7 tournaments and get 2 more top 4 finishes in 2009. For the record, there were only 12 foreigner tournaments that year.
there was a long period of time where he still didn't win foreigner tournaments even after being in korea for a year+ and everyone expected him to.
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