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On September 20 2011 23:22 MileyCyrus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:58 baubo wrote:On September 20 2011 22:33 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I dont get why it would be that level of difficult to enter the US as a Chinese citizen.. China is supposed to be the communist nation that is hard to enter, yet you dont often hear of americans denied visas to China -_- The reason is very simple. Because US bureaucracy is horrible and way behind the times. That America shoots itself in the foot to deny tourists $$$$ out of the stupid fear of "taking American jobs that no one else wants" is retarded to say the least. You are correct in that there's no "logical" reason why this should be the case. What? They fear Xigua will take Idra's job as America's BM zerg player and put Idra out of a job? It's ludicrous, but that's actually their fear. Woah now, i think you are really jumping to some wild conclusions.
I think you took my post literally. Obviously the last part was tongue and cheek.
But in general, that's the biggest fear for the American embassy. It's the same reason why Arizona wants to build fences to keep out illegal immigrants. American's immigration policies has always been fear of foreign labor replacing our own. And China is hit hard especially because they possess skilled laborers like Computer programmers and Engineers that actually replaces white collar jobs. Nevermind the fact that the American education system today sucks ass and our students are never properly taught math and science. We still keep out skilled laborers so our own work force would be so incompetent companies just outsource to other countries anyway.
Anyway, my own rant on the subject. Carry on...
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On September 20 2011 22:33 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I dont get why it would be that level of difficult to enter the US as a Chinese citizen.. China is supposed to be the communist nation that is hard to enter, yet you dont often hear of americans denied visas to China -_-
It's generally harder to get into the US if you're from a so-called "poorer" country unless you have either a student visa or if you have a job already lined up in the States. The stated reason is national security but in reality it probably has more to do with the risk of them never leaving -- something that happens quite a bit.
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On September 20 2011 23:17 FuRong wrote:
That's not surprising to me, it's incredibly hard to get a US Visa from China. If what my friends tell me is correct, you need to do an interview at the embassy even if you're just going for a short trip.
China's visa system is bullshit too though, so I guess it's an eye for an eye =/
china visa isn't hard, just expensive if you want it done quick. especially for americans
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On September 20 2011 23:30 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:33 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I dont get why it would be that level of difficult to enter the US as a Chinese citizen.. China is supposed to be the communist nation that is hard to enter, yet you dont often hear of americans denied visas to China -_- It's generally harder to get into the US if you're from a so-called "poorer" country unless you have either a student visa or if you have a job already lined up in the States. The stated reason is national security but in reality it probably has more to do with the risk of them never leaving -- something that happens quite a bit.
i think defection was more prevalent in the 80's than it is now....
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How come loner able to travel to us for blizzcon so easy last year?
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My mother works at an American Consular Office (one of the places where they give out visas) in China, and I've worked there for summer jobs before so I have a slightly-better-than-average understanding of how this works.
Given that the chinese players only wanted to stay in the US for a few days to play in a video game tournament, the only problems I can see with their applications would be:
a) The visa officer suspected the chinese players of wanting to illegally stay in the US after their visa duration ended
b) The chinese players were suspected of being dangerous to the US
or by far the most likely situation:
c) Either the chinese players or the visa officers made a mistake and a perfectly acceptable visa application was rejected due to human error somewhere.
Over a hundred thousand chinese people get visas to go to the US every year, so it's not like they were rejected out of hand because of their nationality. It's impossible to know without any further information, but I'm pretty sure there was just a simple mistake made somewhere rather than something nefarious or politically motivated.
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If you want to get a visa on a Chinese passport, you need to prove you have x amount of money in the bank, e.g 20k to go to Korea/Japan. Considering they are progamers, no real surprise they didn't meet the requirement.
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On September 20 2011 23:32 lazyfeet wrote:
How come loner able to travel to us for blizzcon so easy last year?
Because there is like a gazillion chinese people and not everyone have problems getting into the US?
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They just need to buy a volcanic island in the south pacific so they don't have to deal with these problems.
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On September 20 2011 23:32 lazyfeet wrote:
How come loner able to travel to us for blizzcon so easy last year?
Because they check your background thoroughly. Your financials, your work, parents information(to see how rich they are), your English skills, do you have family in the US, and even just how much the interviewer likes you.
Loner obviously passed the background check and the interview. These two guys didn't. Why can't they? Because the background check is designed so they'd rather reject 100 acceptable applications for the fear that 1 application has a guy who wants to stay in the US and work at McDonalds.
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China loves making it hard to leave China....because people often don't want to go back. This isn't unique to e-sports.
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On September 20 2011 23:46 Shen_ wrote:
China loves making it hard to leave China....because people often don't want to go back. This isn't unique to e-sports.
please read the OP properly. the issue has nothing to do with the chinese government preventing the players from leaving
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Seems like the Chinese scene will never emerge with the rest of the world.
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damn it. this is really bad 
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Sad to hear but not surprising
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I think the chances that this can be chalked up to human error, such as a field on a form left blank or filled in wrong, are pretty good. The quote from the OP even suggests that issue might've been on their end.
On September 20 2011 22:26 digmouse wrote:
"get almost everything needed or unneeded ready to the embassy, including past US visit records, but get declined almost instantly."
As little as 3 months ago a friend of mine with a Chinese passport who lives in Hong Kong managed to get a visa to visit New Jersey for a week. She had never been in the U.S. prior to that visit, had no family there, and was not a student. I'm just having trouble seeing why the government would pick on a couple Starcraft 2 players. Just seems unlikely.
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I think it's just because America and its processes are terribly inefficient currently... I traveled to China this year and the wait in lines to get across customs was very short, even with all the people I had gotten off the plane with. And then I came back to America and I waited for like... ever to get through even though I'm an American citizen. But the Chinese people who came on the plane with me had to wait for a very long time, just because America ramped up its security so much due to 9/11... So I imagine visa processes would be similar.
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On September 20 2011 23:54 papaz wrote:damn it. this is really bad
I mean, it's not like China was nuked because these guys were denied for visas. It's not cool that they won't get to play, but it's not exactly something we should be mourning over.
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On September 20 2011 23:25 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:17 FuRong wrote:
That's not surprising to me, it's incredibly hard to get a US Visa from China. If what my friends tell me is correct, you need to do an interview at the embassy even if you're just going for a short trip.
China's visa system is bullshit too though, so I guess it's an eye for an eye =/ Huh? I don't know about NZ, but I am an American. My process for getting a Chinese visa was as follows. Step 1: Give embassy my passport one page form with my basic info like name and address. Step 2: Get my visa
It's also quite a bit different if you're traveling there for a competition/potential for a payout. Since a traveler's visa is easy to get, but something more than that and it gets harder.
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