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On September 24 2011 05:26 DrPhilOfdOOm wrote:
I don't really care to be completly honest. Because the truth is that chineese players are not very skilled. That's only because they got the game almost a year after everyone else. So it's understandable.
I count on the chineese to do well to next blizzcon when they have had much more time to practise.
What's actually more true than not is that CN > NA, and this is considering that Warcraft 3 is still >>>>>>> SC2 in China as far as RTS games go.
Where random Chinese players have competed, they've usually done well. They are pretty skilled.
If you look at NA where SC2 more popular than in any other region and see who's good, we really just have Huk, qxc, and Idra, and I'm not sure if Idra in his current huge slump can be included in there.
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Why did blizzard even bother with a Chinese qualifier since the Chinese players were denied VISA? If I was in control of Blizzard  I would seek guarantees from the authorities before I ventured in a Chinese qualifier. I hope Blizzard tried this but were still denied for some bureaucratic reasons.
A solution to this problem might be that they move Blizzcon to China since they are more open to immigrants or gamers. How do like that Anaheim?
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So.... the real question is who will be replacing them?
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On September 28 2011 05:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 05:26 DrPhilOfdOOm wrote:
I don't really care to be completly honest. Because the truth is that chineese players are not very skilled. That's only because they got the game almost a year after everyone else. So it's understandable.
I count on the chineese to do well to next blizzcon when they have had much more time to practise. What's actually more true than not is that CN > NA, and this is considering that Warcraft 3 is still >>>>>>> SC2 in China as far as RTS games go. Where random Chinese players have competed, they've usually done well. They are pretty skilled. If you look at NA where SC2 more popular than in any other region and see who's good, we really just have Huk, qxc, and Idra, and I'm not sure if Idra in his current huge slump can be included in there.
No one really knows where China stands in SC2. You can't definitively say CN > NA.
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On September 28 2011 03:16 Darpa wrote:
My brother works for CSIS (canadian version of the CIA). When I asked him about it, he said its because of the abnormally large amount of Chinese spies that enter Canada and the US for whatever reason. Apparently a big problem.
Getting Visas (he says) for chinese citizens is very difficult because he says that there is a serious problem with chinese espionage.
Disclaimer: My brother is a bit of an exagerater, and sometimes (see fairly often) is full of shit. So take it as you will.
Edit. He also says its when you have repeated short term entry visas in your history it flags you in the application. Which might explain why some pros are not getting access if they have been to the US before for short periods like gaming events and stuff.
But who knows, I really hope that isnt the reason ><
It is exaggerated. Industrial esponiage is a big problem, but rather then flying all the way to the US or Canada the Chinese simply hack into the servers of mid-sized and even big companies.
On September 20 2011 23:37 Cold Warpgates wrote:
Given that the chinese players only wanted to stay in the US for a few days to play in a video game tournament, the only problems I can see with their applications would be:
a) The visa officer suspected the chinese players of wanting to illegally stay in the US after their visa duration ended
b) The chinese players were suspected of being dangerous to the US
or by far the most likely situation:
c) Either the chinese players or the visa officers made a mistake and a perfectly acceptable visa application was rejected due to human error somewhere.
I guess it's option a)...
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oh . i was really looking forward to seeing them in action
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On September 24 2011 18:19 MacroNcheesE wrote:
Hmm, I'm quite ignorant of the Chinese SC2 scene. I loved Legend/Super/F91/PJ back in brood war, and I only know LoveTT and xiaOt in SC2, and I only know their names rather than their game. That's really unfortunate, I hope that in the future they can get some more exposure. Maybe I'm just ignorant of consistently featured Chinese players? Just summon those WCG memories of PJ, Legend, Lx, F91, Toodming. Now wait another 6 months for the Chinese to power up. They have all said in various interviews that they are happy to just "hide" and "wait out" SC2 in terms of the game stabilising etc. They are powering up by just training on the Kr ladder and with each other. They will only "come out" into the international scene when they can achieve a win-rate of 60%+ when playing amongst the best of the best.
TBH, I can see China dominating SC2 in a few years when WC3 declines even further. PJ, Lx, Toodming, F91 and the like were all BEASTS. They all went toe-to-toe with Jaedong/Bisu/Stork and didn't take one step back when facing off against the best of the best in SC:BW. Wouldn't be surprised if this is the case in SCII as well.
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It's going to happen again for sure. U.S. being paranoid and all.
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If the chinese players can't come, maybe they could invite Genius? Or do they never invite the winner next year?
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I think the simplest solution is host the tournament in South Korea next time >.<
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Such bullshit. I bet the guy saw computer gamer, though it's bullshit or wow, it says computer, he's a hacker, stamp NO.
There's a reason why I always turn down any ideas of going on a cross US trip, I want to visit the embassy for a visa exactly twice, for no more than 10 min each, once to apply, once to get it, preferably not have to wait half a year between visits. Until then someone else eats my hard earned cash, Turkey, Egypt, random other EU countries.
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Hopefully Blizzard will make up for this mishap by throwing a huge SC2 tournament in China in early 2012. I'm hoping someday GSL/GSTL might have a finals there.
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Maybe host a Chinese Blizzcon and make a boatload of dough?
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On October 08 2011 11:05 onedayclose wrote:
Maybe host a Chinese Blizzcon and make a boatload of dough?
You should work for Blizzard, they're all about boatloads of dough.
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There's at least 1 representative in the form of Toodming at least. He's decent, and I hope either Macsed or Xigua get their visa applications done the second time.
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On September 30 2011 02:14 s15sLiDER wrote:User was warned for this post
hey that was actually really funny
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My gosh. You know, I heard a good phrase that describes incidents like these pretty well. "Proud of my nation and ashamed of my government."
Yeah that fits pretty well at the moment. At least we didn't lose too much. The players were good only as grandmasters, not pros. It probably would've just been an embarassment for them.
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On October 08 2011 12:30 bobthebo wrote:hey that was actually really funny
Quit smoking crack. It's bad enough that china is taking our jobs, but it's reserved to Korea to take our E-Sports money/hosting locations.
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