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Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
Maintain
Profile Joined June 2011
United States22 Posts
September 20 2011 22:06 GMT
#3041
So stephano is an idiot basically

User was temp banned for this post.
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Reapher
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru131 Posts
September 20 2011 22:28 GMT
#3042
Funny how since this all started, a bunch of new TL accounts appeared making their first posts here to defend Millenium to death.
Dulken
Profile Joined October 2010
2 Posts
September 20 2011 22:35 GMT
#3043
i wanna say two things.

first off to the people who hate on people forging opinions without the right contractual knowledge implicated in this. please go hate on something else as this is actually a fairly important matter. as a community it is our right and i dare say duty to forge oponions on this as this will help shape the foundation for what may lie in the future.

secondly my own opinion:
i don't have the knowledge about french or american contractual law in this case but i will form an oppinion as a human being. this to me paints a clear image of stephano and the millenium organization, to me this shows severe lack of proffessionalism and integrity from Stephano enough for me to completely loose interest in him as a gamer.
as for millenium this to me paints a picture of an organization falling appart fighting tooth and nail to keep their 1 remaining player being willing to fight dirty to do so if that is what will be needed.
i'll leave off with a little prediction.
i'm guessing that as for contract signing with decent pro gaming teams stephano is now either finished or severely crippled and may have to accept sub-par contracts in the future. as for millenium i believe they have 6 months to live at the top seeing as how they are willing to fight like this.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45022 Posts
September 20 2011 22:36 GMT
#3044
On September 21 2011 06:33 BluePanther wrote:
Am I the only one who is disturbed by M+ trying to talk Stephano back after he made a decision to leave? That seems rather disrespectful to coL.


Yup. I think so too.

But if it's actually legal, the teams are going to make every attempt possible to get their player back. no matter how shady it looks.

Complexity was certainly the most professional and least to blame out of them, Millenium, and Stephano.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Pimpmuckl
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany528 Posts
September 20 2011 22:38 GMT
#3045
How in earth does someone who JUST signed a contract not slept several nights over it and just decided the other way around?

Alright, enough Drama, the OP should add some official statements of coL / Mil
twitter.com/pimpmuckl
Kogan
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany84 Posts
September 20 2011 22:43 GMT
#3046
bad move stephano...-.- have to take complexitys side here..
Warlock40
Profile Joined September 2011
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 23:38:22
September 20 2011 23:37 GMT
#3047
EDIT: don't mean to be bashing the French. Post revised.

But I still think Millenium's argument is weak. It just seems to be based on emotional appeal to French nationalism.
exShikari
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia237 Posts
September 20 2011 23:51 GMT
#3048
On September 21 2011 05:40 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 05:24 exShikari wrote:
On September 21 2011 04:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 21 2011 04:36 zhurai wrote:

On September 21 2011 04:21 ArcticRaven wrote:
Any declarations by Stephano yet ?

And, to people astonished by his staying with [M], there's no way such a promising player would leave that kind of powerhouse (ToD, Adelscott, Tarson...) to join a semi-pro team like Col, even though he's more paid. Plus he already said he isn't interested in going to Korea.

Let's be honest : who do you prefer as a training partner ? Adelscott or CatZ ?

I'm not trying to be offensive, but there's just no possible comparison.

But I'm going to wait for Stephano's point of view to make an opinion.

Neither

DongRaeGu


Seriously. Did people forget that Complexity and MVP are brothers now?

You get Koreanzzz.

Plus, Complexity has far more resources at its disposal than Millenium.

Couldn't agree more.

Millenium may be a powerhouse in Europe (even that is quesionable), but there is no comparison between them and coL. The fact that coL and MVP are together is reason enough.


Show nested quote +

On September 21 2011 04:21 ArcticRaven wrote:

to join a semi-pro team like Col, even though he's more paid. Plus he already said he isn't interested in going to Korea.


Reading is hard, amirite? The original post clearly said that Stephano had no interest in going to korea.

Reading does indeed seem to be hard, for you at least. Where did I write that I thought Stephano was wanting to go to Korea?
It is, in the end, whatever the Hell I want it to be, And when I'm through with it, it's gonna blow a hole, This wide, straight through the worlds own idea of itself. They're throwing bottles at your house. Come on, lets go break their arms.
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
September 20 2011 23:55 GMT
#3049
Where did he say he wasn't interested in going to Korea? Because I thought that that was just what the Mill statement said as justification for why he wanted to stay with them, and it wasn't actually something we heard from Stephano directly.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
krews
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1308 Posts
September 20 2011 23:59 GMT
#3050
On September 21 2011 04:21 ArcticRaven wrote:
Any declarations by Stephano yet ?

And, to people astonished by his staying with [M], there's no way such a promising player would leave that kind of powerhouse (ToD, Adelscott, Tarson...) to join a semi-pro team like Col, even though he's more paid. Plus he already said he isn't interested in going to Korea.

Let's be honest : who do you prefer as a training partner ? Adelscott or CatZ ?

I'm not trying to be offensive, but there's just no possible comparison.

But I'm going to wait for Stephano's point of view to make an opinion.


why did you say CatZ when he could be training with Dongraegu? also, ToD isnt on M.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
September 21 2011 00:18 GMT
#3051
On September 21 2011 07:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 06:33 BluePanther wrote:
Am I the only one who is disturbed by M+ trying to talk Stephano back after he made a decision to leave? That seems rather disrespectful to coL.


Yup. I think so too.

But if it's actually legal, the teams are going to make every attempt possible to get their player back. no matter how shady it looks.

Complexity was certainly the most professional and least to blame out of them, Millenium, and Stephano.


Trying to get your player back is unreasonable and disrespectful? Wow.
BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
September 21 2011 00:20 GMT
#3052
On September 21 2011 09:18 rotegirte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 07:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 21 2011 06:33 BluePanther wrote:
Am I the only one who is disturbed by M+ trying to talk Stephano back after he made a decision to leave? That seems rather disrespectful to coL.


Yup. I think so too.

But if it's actually legal, the teams are going to make every attempt possible to get their player back. no matter how shady it looks.

Complexity was certainly the most professional and least to blame out of them, Millenium, and Stephano.


Trying to get your player back is unreasonable and disrespectful? Wow.


Well when Stephano signed on with Col at that point Mill should have been contacting Col imo. Thats what made everyone give all that shit to EG about Puma and Puma wasn't even contracted.
"So come right up and let me squash your creativity with my iron fist of conservative play."--Nony
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
September 21 2011 00:21 GMT
#3053
On September 21 2011 09:18 rotegirte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 07:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 21 2011 06:33 BluePanther wrote:
Am I the only one who is disturbed by M+ trying to talk Stephano back after he made a decision to leave? That seems rather disrespectful to coL.


Yup. I think so too.

But if it's actually legal, the teams are going to make every attempt possible to get their player back. no matter how shady it looks.

Complexity was certainly the most professional and least to blame out of them, Millenium, and Stephano.


Trying to get your player back is unreasonable and disrespectful? Wow.

Kinda, yeah, when that player has already decided to leave your team and has legally contracted with another team, especially when you had 3 weeks prior to convince him to stay.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
September 21 2011 01:05 GMT
#3054
On September 21 2011 08:55 Emporio wrote:
Where did he say he wasn't interested in going to Korea? Because I thought that that was just what the Mill statement said as justification for why he wanted to stay with them, and it wasn't actually something we heard from Stephano directly.


Yea someone should tell Mill and coL that Stephano doesn't want to go to Korea because they both mentioned it
Kanuck
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada50 Posts
September 21 2011 02:24 GMT
#3055
Stephano would've been "one of the highest paid SC2 players in the world" at Complexity and they ensured that he would get "global travel" including to Korea.


does no one else find this odd? i mean, its stephano? sure hes a great player, but one of the best paid?
There is no failure. Only feedback.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
September 21 2011 02:25 GMT
#3056
On September 21 2011 11:24 Kanuck wrote:
Show nested quote +
Stephano would've been "one of the highest paid SC2 players in the world" at Complexity and they ensured that he would get "global travel" including to Korea.


does no one else find this odd? i mean, its stephano? sure hes a great player, but one of the best paid?


highest paid*, apparently Complexity thinks his worth it.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
September 21 2011 02:48 GMT
#3057
so many contractual/poaching issues in the sc2 scene...reneging on a signed contract doesn't bode very well for the person...
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
September 21 2011 03:49 GMT
#3058
On September 21 2011 11:24 Kanuck wrote:
Show nested quote +
Stephano would've been "one of the highest paid SC2 players in the world" at Complexity and they ensured that he would get "global travel" including to Korea.


does no one else find this odd? i mean, its stephano? sure hes a great player, but one of the best paid?


Thorzain, MaNa, Huk and Stephano is by fare the best foreign players atm. Yes he is worth it. If you haven't watch Stephano I strongly suggest you do
DDie
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 03:50:33
September 21 2011 03:50 GMT
#3059
On September 21 2011 05:40 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 05:24 exShikari wrote:
On September 21 2011 04:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 21 2011 04:36 zhurai wrote:

On September 21 2011 04:21 ArcticRaven wrote:
Any declarations by Stephano yet ?

And, to people astonished by his staying with [M], there's no way such a promising player would leave that kind of powerhouse (ToD, Adelscott, Tarson...) to join a semi-pro team like Col, even though he's more paid. Plus he already said he isn't interested in going to Korea.

Let's be honest : who do you prefer as a training partner ? Adelscott or CatZ ?

I'm not trying to be offensive, but there's just no possible comparison.

But I'm going to wait for Stephano's point of view to make an opinion.

Neither

DongRaeGu


Seriously. Did people forget that Complexity and MVP are brothers now?

You get Koreanzzz.

Plus, Complexity has far more resources at its disposal than Millenium.

Couldn't agree more.

Millenium may be a powerhouse in Europe (even that is quesionable), but there is no comparison between them and coL. The fact that coL and MVP are together is reason enough.


Show nested quote +

On September 21 2011 04:21 ArcticRaven wrote:

to join a semi-pro team like Col, even though he's more paid. Plus he already said he isn't interested in going to Korea.


Reading is hard, amirite? The original post clearly said that Stephano had no interest in going to korea.



Then why would he sign a contract that would send him to Korea in the first place? Sounds like BS to me.
''Television! Teacher, mother, secret lover.''
analyze
Profile Joined April 2011
United States155 Posts
September 21 2011 04:03 GMT
#3060
On September 21 2011 12:50 DDie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 05:40 karpo wrote:
On September 21 2011 05:24 exShikari wrote:
On September 21 2011 04:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 21 2011 04:36 zhurai wrote:

On September 21 2011 04:21 ArcticRaven wrote:
Any declarations by Stephano yet ?

And, to people astonished by his staying with [M], there's no way such a promising player would leave that kind of powerhouse (ToD, Adelscott, Tarson...) to join a semi-pro team like Col, even though he's more paid. Plus he already said he isn't interested in going to Korea.

Let's be honest : who do you prefer as a training partner ? Adelscott or CatZ ?

I'm not trying to be offensive, but there's just no possible comparison.

But I'm going to wait for Stephano's point of view to make an opinion.

Neither

DongRaeGu


Seriously. Did people forget that Complexity and MVP are brothers now?

You get Koreanzzz.

Plus, Complexity has far more resources at its disposal than Millenium.

Couldn't agree more.

Millenium may be a powerhouse in Europe (even that is quesionable), but there is no comparison between them and coL. The fact that coL and MVP are together is reason enough.



On September 21 2011 04:21 ArcticRaven wrote:

to join a semi-pro team like Col, even though he's more paid. Plus he already said he isn't interested in going to Korea.


Reading is hard, amirite? The original post clearly said that Stephano had no interest in going to korea.



Then why would he sign a contract that would send him to Korea in the first place? Sounds like BS to me.


The contract had an OPTION to go to Korea. He would not have been forced to go.
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