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jgervais
Profile Joined June 2011
23 Posts
August 25 2011 17:04 GMT
#21
why is naniwa gone???
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
August 25 2011 17:06 GMT
#22
On August 26 2011 02:04 jgervais wrote:
why is naniwa gone???


MLG
acidbean
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany287 Posts
August 25 2011 17:07 GMT
#23
Hes attending MLG Raleigh.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
August 25 2011 17:07 GMT
#24
Then u can ask why SlayerS always play terran players, or recruit mostly terrans for that matter!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
darkcloud8282
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada776 Posts
August 25 2011 17:23 GMT
#25
Does anyone know if Huk will join F united??
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 17:53:23
August 25 2011 17:48 GMT
#26
On August 26 2011 01:49 tendence wrote:
Warning! Might contain spoilers (GSTL, Aug 25th 2011)

Just a small, general thought I had, and I'd really like to hear your guys' opinion on this.

F.United sends out 2 foreigner Terrans, and then FoxLyn, in my eyes, one of the weaker Korean Terrans out there, in Team League today.

I don't wanna discuss the games or anything, but I wonder, what the thought process of sending out 3 Terrans was.

Korean Terrans are, in my opinion, leagues above foreign Terrans. Which of course also means, that foreign non-Terrans are adapted to very high level Terran play.
So why would they send out 3 Terrans in a row, after seeing that boongboong is very well capable to deny harassement and standard Terran play?

I don't mean to be harsh on Thorzain, Fenix or Lyn, but to let them play against players who are used to play strong korean terrans, to me it makes just no sense.

What do you think about that?



They might have been maximizing their perceived expectation yet you don't know this because you do not have access to the information that they do, which is a sound assumption. Say, e.g., Lyn's E(winrate) vs randomly iid drawn GM zerg is > Soccer's E(Winrate) vs randomly iid drawn GM zerg (ceteris paribus w.r.t maps etc), then you'd pull Lyn for Boonboong instead of Soccer. However, Boongboong might be strong in ZvT, and this is something the coach and players would have to have debated.

TL;DR, they're better than you and have access to much much more information than you do.
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
August 25 2011 17:52 GMT
#27
they just don't simply have enough players :/
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DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
August 25 2011 17:54 GMT
#28
Lyn and moon prob out of practice or out of focus. I mean aren't they representing KOR for WC3?
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
August 25 2011 17:55 GMT
#29
On August 26 2011 02:23 darkcloud8282 wrote:
Does anyone know if Huk will join F united??


Prob not, I believe EG is establishing a house in Korea so might see then in future GSTL like FXO
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
August 26 2011 00:47 GMT
#30
On August 26 2011 02:55 DarkRise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 02:23 darkcloud8282 wrote:
Does anyone know if Huk will join F united??


Prob not, I believe EG is establishing a house in Korea so might see then in future GSTL like FXO


Pretty sure you need a minimum of 5 players on your roster to participate in GSTL (finals is bo9).
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 01:29:30
August 26 2011 01:29 GMT
#31
On August 26 2011 01:51 Choboo wrote:
Naniwa wasn't there and Lyn > Soccer


This is basically it. They only have 6 players and one of them is gone for MLG. It's kind of a coinflip between Soccer and Lyn, but apparently BboongBboong had a pretty bad record against terrans before today. They are most likely going to use Soccer instead of Lyn tomorrow since FUnited seems to be rotating their players a bit.
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
August 26 2011 01:32 GMT
#32
On August 26 2011 01:53 Numy wrote:
I guess Thorzain and Fenix have never won a game in Korea then...


Yup that 3 kill thorzain got last match and the game he took in code A weren't wins......
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
August 26 2011 01:33 GMT
#33
On August 26 2011 10:32 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 01:53 Numy wrote:
I guess Thorzain and Fenix have never won a game in Korea then...


Yup that 3 kill thorzain got last match and the game he took in code A weren't wins......


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awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
August 26 2011 01:34 GMT
#34
On August 26 2011 02:04 jgervais wrote:
why is naniwa gone???

Flying to MLG
ComTrav
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
August 26 2011 01:39 GMT
#35
F. United isn't the first team in the GSTL to make a questionable decision in the format.

Remember QXC all-killing Incredible Miracle while "best player in the world" NesTea sat on the bench? Partly because IM was so supremely confident that its 'ace' players could produce an all-kill it sent out a succession of mediocre players?

If you have a roster that's stacked on one race, you sorta have to play it, even if your opponent has figured it out.

Besides, even if Lyn's tournament results have been disappointing, maybe he's been hot in practice or something....you never know.
Gh86
Profile Joined June 2011
646 Posts
August 26 2011 01:46 GMT
#36
On August 26 2011 01:49 tendence wrote:
Warning! Might contain spoilers (GSTL, Aug 25th 2011)

Just a small, general thought I had, and I'd really like to hear your guys' opinion on this.

F.United sends out 2 foreigner Terrans, and then FoxLyn, in my eyes, one of the weaker Korean Terrans out there, in Team League today.

I don't wanna discuss the games or anything, but I wonder, what the thought process of sending out 3 Terrans was.

Korean Terrans are, in my opinion, leagues above foreign Terrans. Which of course also means, that foreign non-Terrans are adapted to very high level Terran play.
So why would they send out 3 Terrans in a row, after seeing that boongboong is very well capable to deny harassement and standard Terran play?

I don't mean to be harsh on Thorzain, Fenix or Lyn, but to let them play against players who are used to play strong korean terrans, to me it makes just no sense.

What do you think about that?



It was less questionable decision on F United's part but rather the lack of a roster.
Naniwa is travelling to or is in Raleigh for MLG this weekend and the players they have on the roster.
Here's the list:
Naniwa(MLG Raleigh, not available)
Thorzain
Fenix
Lyn
Moon
SocceR

3/5 of them are Terran, at least two of the will play and SocceR just seemed to be uninspiring in play when we saw him.
TDN4
Profile Joined August 2011
United States45 Posts
August 26 2011 01:50 GMT
#37
Agree, Naniwa should've jumped out of his airplane and into the GSL booth so they can have a protoss.
Freak705
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada231 Posts
August 26 2011 01:54 GMT
#38
On August 26 2011 01:54 Duravi wrote:
If there is another "F.United" type team next GSTL, they seriously need a deeper roster. I doubt they can even factor which race a certain player is weak against into their decisions, especially with Naniwa gone.
Having a shallow team is helping my fantasy team.. I've got Naniwa and Thorzain and they're practically guaranteed to be fielded every time F.United plays :p

In the end though, I do agree with you. But with WeMadeFox disbanding at the end of the month, the future of the time is a little up in the air I think.
Gh86
Profile Joined June 2011
646 Posts
August 26 2011 01:55 GMT
#39
On August 26 2011 10:50 TDN4 wrote:
Agree, Naniwa should've jumped out of his airplane and into the GSL booth so they can have a protoss.


That just gave me a mental image of Naniwa saying "It's okay" before jumping out and paradropping directly into the GSL booth.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
August 26 2011 02:16 GMT
#40
On August 26 2011 10:55 Gh86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 10:50 TDN4 wrote:
Agree, Naniwa should've jumped out of his airplane and into the GSL booth so they can have a protoss.


That just gave me a mental image of Naniwa saying "It's okay" before jumping out and paradropping directly into the GSL booth.

Really, I had "CHILL GET OUT!" in my head.
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