Designated Balance Discussion Thread - Page 417

On March 31 2013 08:05 Phoenix2003 wrote:
Something needs to be done about the new mutas before touching skytoss.

On March 31 2013 09:31 Xequecal wrote:
IMHO, the best way to balance ZvP right now is to make corruptors light. I don't really see a downside to this. If they're light, then void rays don't annihilate them, and corruptors are again a counter to mass Protoss air. Phoenix would slaughter them, but I don't really see how that would be a problem, as phoenix don't shoot down. Colossus/phoenix could be beaten by just making vipers and abducting the colossi, as phoenix don't do much dps to vipers. It would also simultaneously get rid of the abusive Zerg strategy of "50 mutas, 20 corruptors, 300 spine crawlers, base trade" that's coming back with a vengeance. Zerg has figured out that if you mix in some corruptors with your muta flock to deter phoenix it doesn't have a counter anymore, and we're back to 2010 where Zerg just makes nothing but mutas the whole game against Protoss.

On March 31 2013 11:23 Emzeeshady wrote:
The fact he lost a combined 6 games versus those 3 is a decent indication Zerg isn't too great right now considering Life is more skilled then all of them combined.

On March 31 2013 11:23 Emzeeshady wrote:

Ya, there should be no excuse for Toss ever to lose to Mutas now with free hallucination and the new super Phenixes.

Also to the whole Life thing, he barely beat Polt and Last and Flash played terrible still winning two games. The fact he lost a combined 6 games versus those 3 is a decent indication Zerg isn't too great right now considering Life is more skilled then all of them combined.

On March 31 2013 11:30 Emzeeshady wrote:

Ok, I will settle for twice as good .

On March 31 2013 08:56 Innovation wrote:
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That's interesting because I constantly see no name terrans destroying zergs they shouldn't even be close to beating. I just spent the last two hours watching Stephano get destroyed by Demuslim over and over and over again. Stephano never even got close to winning in any of the games. Nothing against Demuslim but we all know he shouldn't be able to yawn his way to victory 7-0 over Stephano.

You have to be delusional not to realize that Terran is OP vs Zerg right now. I'd say easily even more OP than broodlord/infestor pre-nerf.

stephano also never makes muta, ever, even though the meta calls for muta atm

On March 31 2013 11:48 Emzeeshady wrote:
Haha don't be like that :p
Part of being a fan is making ridiculous statements that you know are not true. Leaf fans tell me they are a top team year after year...

Anyway back on topic I think there is no reason for Blizzard not to nerf Voids a little bit. They are not really needed in the other matchups and they are kind of ruling PvP right now (and not in a good way). The Muta problem in ZvZ is more complicated because Zergs are relying on them in ZvT to stop the new medivacs and if they are nerved then Zerg will probably struggle even more then they are now.

My suggestion would be to buff hydras versus air. It would not just help versus Mutas but also versus late game sky toss. If they have to Bliz can to Hydras what they did to spores and do bonus versus biological air )basically just Mutas).

On March 31 2013 11:51 Innovation wrote:


I do find it frustrating that he doesn't use muta since it feels like the only viable option against bio/mine but I don't think it invalidates the point. Even those zergs that are using muta are struggling against terran.

On March 31 2013 11:30 Emzeeshady wrote:

Ok, I will settle for twice as good .

On March 31 2013 12:30 Emzeeshady wrote:

Way to judge balance from ladder games ...

On March 31 2013 12:37 Emzeeshady wrote:

Ok, but you will need better proof then that. If what you are saying is true then just wait for the next GSL and let it play out. So far all legitimate results point the other way but the sample size is indeed small.