Designated Balance Discussion Thread - Page 1260

On January 21 2016 02:41 DinoMight wrote:
For any Magic the Gathering players out there (Thieving Magpie)...

People just don't like losing to Protoss. No one ever thinks they were out played by Protoss.. they always just go "Protoss bullshit."

Protoss is the Blue of StarCraft.

When someone plays a big trample creature and kills you with it, you go "oh, I was out played."

When someone mind controls your giant trample creature and kills you with it, you go "fuck blue."

There are a lot of frustrating Protoss strategies but I do think it makes the game a lot more diverse strategically and more entertaining.

Without sneaky Protoss bullshit HotS would have been just a bunch of people splitting marines against banelings.


We'd never have gotten Idra's ragequit to Huk's hallucinations (still the funniest shit ever).

We'd have no Parting or MC or any of the hilarity and swagger they brought to the game.



Learn to love the Protoss bullshit and deal with it. The Protoss player is using the tools he has at his disposal. Don't hate the game. Hate the player :p

On January 24 2016 05:00 CheddarToss wrote:
Watching the uThermal vs PtitDrogo series I can't help but feeling the urge to throw up. Liberators are such an imbalanced unit, it's not even funny. Adepts are the definition of balance in comparison.

On January 24 2016 05:51 travis wrote:
it's not balance discussion but can someone explain how the ladder works to me

how is it that i am playing game after game at the top of diamond, and for some reason the ladder put me up against the same guy, who isn't even ranked, twice in a row. he doesnt even have ranked games played, so why am i playing him on the ladder. and if he is in placement then I still don't understand why 1.) he is playing someone who is basically low master mmr, and 2.) why is he playing the same guy twice(even after losing) in his placements?

On January 22 2016 14:14 FrkFrJss wrote:
I mean...I guess we'll have to see after Code S begins, but there are currently 6 Protoss, 8 Terran, and 6 Zerg in Code S. PvT is 1-1, and there are 3 TvPs left. So far, herO, Myungsik, seed, and Trap have advanced. None of those are particularly no name.

I'm not denying the imbalance, but so far, the results PURELY in the GSL (which is what you point towards) really don't point to Terran and Zerg performing worse than Protoss.

On January 24 2016 05:58 Big J wrote:


You play games and by winning your MMR (match making rating) increases, by losing it falls. Dependent on your MMR suitable opponent's are chosen and you get placed into leagues if you are playing ranked.
So if your opponent is playing unranked he/she is not placed in a league, but might have a similar MMR to yours which won't change too much from just one loss, hence he/she might play you mutlitple times in a row.

Oh, and before I forget it, there is also a pretty useless point system with no meaning whatsoever in place to visualize your skill in comparison to others in your league.

On January 24 2016 06:02 travis wrote:


so then people playing unranked can be put up vs ranked players?
seems... stupid
lol

On January 23 2016 00:10 Merkmerk wrote:
^

Sometimes balance isn't exclusively for 400 apm pros though. PvT is most assuredly broken at lower skill levels where the classic skill to execute vs skill to survive is vastly out of sync

Besides, sooner they nerf adept/wp for PvT, the sooner they can get around to nerfing Lolberators. They're next on the chopping block you can take that to the bank

On January 24 2016 05:00 CheddarToss wrote:
Watching the uThermal vs PtitDrogo series I can't help but feeling the urge to throw up. Liberators are such an imbalanced unit, it's not even funny. Adepts are the definition of balance in comparison.

On January 24 2016 08:00 aksfjh wrote:

A unit/build that can be hard countered by going stargate is imbalanced? The build even requires Terran to sacrifice the economy (to an extent) to perform. This is in contrast to the "quick 3rd expansion behind adept-warp prism harass that usually kills the Terran."

It's actually quite hilarious, if you seen casts of the adept harass. "[Terran] really shut that harass down! Was all over his base and just seemed impenetrable! [Protoss] wasn't able to do any meaningful damage and lost his adepts! Meanwhile, [Protoss] took his 3rd and Terran finally feels confident enough to move out and take his."

There's no mention of "He really needed to do damage with that attack..." or "BUT AT WHAT COST?!" It basically boils down to "Protoss attack failed, now we can continue the game on equal footing."

On January 24 2016 08:00 aksfjh wrote:

A unit/build that can be hard countered by going stargate is imbalanced? The build even requires Terran to sacrifice the economy (to an extent) to perform. This is in contrast to the "quick 3rd expansion behind adept-warp prism harass that usually kills the Terran."

It's actually quite hilarious, if you seen casts of the adept harass. "[Terran] really shut that harass down! Was all over his base and just seemed impenetrable! [Protoss] wasn't able to do any meaningful damage and lost his adepts! Meanwhile, [Protoss] took his 3rd and Terran finally feels confident enough to move out and take his."

There's no mention of "He really needed to do damage with that attack..." or "BUT AT WHAT COST?!" It basically boils down to "Protoss attack failed, now we can continue the game on equal footing."

On January 24 2016 05:59 Empirimancer wrote:


But the Protoss have only lost to Zerg and other Protoss. The only exception is TY vs Patience, the best Terran in the world vs someone who probably shouldn't even be in Code A.

On January 24 2016 09:36 ProtossMasterRace wrote:


There has been literally only 1 other TvP match where toss won 3 - 1 against a terran that played absolutely atrociously. Any good terran can easily counter adepts by now. It is not a balance issue it is a learn to play issue. The overall winrate of TvP in code A is exactly 50%

On January 24 2016 08:00 aksfjh wrote:

A unit/build that can be hard countered by going stargate is imbalanced? The build even requires Terran to sacrifice the economy (to an extent) to perform. This is in contrast to the "quick 3rd expansion behind adept-warp prism harass that usually kills the Terran."

It's actually quite hilarious, if you seen casts of the adept harass. "[Terran] really shut that harass down! Was all over his base and just seemed impenetrable! [Protoss] wasn't able to do any meaningful damage and lost his adepts! Meanwhile, [Protoss] took his 3rd and Terran finally feels confident enough to move out and take his."

There's no mention of "He really needed to do damage with that attack..." or "BUT AT WHAT COST?!" It basically boils down to "Protoss attack failed, now we can continue the game on equal footing."

On January 24 2016 09:38 CheddarToss wrote:

Well, to be fair, it is also a design issue. PvT is a badly designed matchup.

On January 24 2016 08:47 CheddarToss wrote:

And how is that different from Liberator harass? It does a lot of damage every single time.

On January 24 2016 10:08 Matte wrote:


I feel like he lost more due to his pylon placement rather than liberator harass being OP. Having well placed pylons would never allow a liberator to kill more than 2 probes while adept harass will almost always get 2 scvs per adept at a minimum. You can also counter it by getting a single phenoix as well.

Now this is not to say that the liberator is not problematic. It is a no splash flying siege tank with AOE air attack and it will need to be adjusted for TvP to end in a good place.