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sickoota
Canada918 Posts
Edit/Clarification - I'm talking about ingame-screen views such as those you see when you watch players streaming Poll: Do you want more fp view in tournament games? Yes (693) No (63) 756 total votes Your vote: Do you want more fp view in tournament games? | ||
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Dimagus
United States1004 Posts
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tymt
Sweden293 Posts
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tymt
Sweden293 Posts
On August 13 2011 05:42 Dimagus wrote: The only facial expressions I think it worth switching to is the emotional reaction to winning/losing a major engagement, which usually decides the game. This is about the pov of the players playing, not their faces. | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On August 13 2011 05:42 Dimagus wrote: The only facial expressions I think it worth switching to is the emotional reaction to winning/losing a major engagement, which usually decides the game. lol ._. | ||
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SomeONEx
Sweden641 Posts
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JustaFish
United States1 Post
That would be pretty cool. But the players view would be nice to see in major tourneys. | ||
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DerNebel
Denmark648 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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brian568
United States13 Posts
Because you cant see their mouse cursor etc watching battles or micro from the first person perspective, it LOOKS no different aside from a less predictable and shaky camera view that would probably be more confusing than impressive to a casual viewer. EDIT: I think over the shoulder camera angles from time to time, however, would be awesome! | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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TOCHMY
Sweden1692 Posts
On August 13 2011 06:00 Kaitlin wrote: I think you would miss more than you can see from observer view. We always have replays to watch first-person perspective. In BW they showed only a few seconds, maybe 10-15, of jaedong controling mutas or flash macroing etc. Something like that where they switch from observer POV to player's POV and then back after 10 sec. That would be cool | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
On August 13 2011 06:02 Golgotha wrote: only if the first person view has it so you can see the mouse cursor movements like in BW. PLEASE IMPLEMENT THIS!!! Yea, I was gonna say this. If it is possible to see the mouse cursor I would like to see more FP. | ||
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sebsejr
213 Posts
/greatidea | ||
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TwistedHelix
United States50 Posts
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ZeroUK
United Kingdom119 Posts
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cyberspace
Canada955 Posts
On August 13 2011 06:02 Golgotha wrote: only if the first person view has it so you can see the mouse cursor movements like in BW. PLEASE IMPLEMENT THIS!!! Pretty much this! | ||
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Giwoon
Korea (South)431 Posts
i hope they do add this for GSL and NASL and shit | ||
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
On August 13 2011 05:42 Dimagus wrote: To answer the question, ofc! ^^ -_-.........................The only facial expressions I think it worth switching to is the emotional reaction to winning/losing a major engagement, which usually decides the game. | ||
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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Cow
Canada1104 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
Yeah found my post from looooooooooooooong time ago (2011.02.14 HAHAHAHAHAHA)... but gomtv hasn't really done anything about it, would love if another tournament picked it up tho, yea. EDIT: and here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192970#20 | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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Techno
1900 Posts
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exog
Norway279 Posts
 Oh and you would have mouse-view to direct view direction | ||
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SCPlato
United States249 Posts
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EliteReplay
Dominican Republic913 Posts
On August 13 2011 05:48 brian568 wrote: I dont think fp view adds anything significant to the entertainment of the viewers. Because you cant see their mouse cursor etc watching battles or micro from the first person perspective, it LOOKS no different aside from a less predictable and shaky camera view that would probably be more confusing than impressive to a casual viewer. EDIT: I think over the shoulder camera angles from time to time, however, would be awesome! it doesnt matter if the mouse cursor isnt there, anyway you can appreciate it, they should test it in some tournament and ask to ppl if they want to see it more often. i really enjoy watching Fpview and im sure more ppl will too. | ||
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Kid-Fox
Canada400 Posts
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KoiKe-
Canada24 Posts
I think that would be just awesome if they can implement that in a future MLG. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
On August 13 2011 07:46 Kid-Fox wrote: If they were ever to do this, it should directly show the screen of the player instead of the player view option you have as a spectator. I'd like to see the mouse cursor and boxing, which is missing when you switch to another player's view like in replays. You get a better sense of apm too that way. Yep. The half of the fun is to see the sick accuracy with the mouse. | ||
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KasdaTheEmperor
Croatia239 Posts
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VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
On August 13 2011 07:22 SCPlato wrote: I like the idea of it. In my opinion it would be similar to what Halo commentators do with the Astro Listen in. Where they don't talk for a minute and just let the spectator watch through the eyes of a player and listen to the team. Obviously this should be a bit shorter for SC2 as 1 minute can be a lot of time, but I think it is a cool concept. sc:BW has been doing it for longer then halo is out. dont reference that garbage on here. User was warned for this post | ||
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x2mirko
Germany245 Posts
Would love to see this more often | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On August 13 2011 05:48 brian568 wrote: I dont think fp view adds anything significant to the entertainment of the viewers. Because you cant see their mouse cursor etc watching battles or micro from the first person perspective, it LOOKS no different aside from a less predictable and shaky camera view that would probably be more confusing than impressive to a casual viewer. EDIT: I think over the shoulder camera angles from time to time, however, would be awesome! no, this means they'd be outputting the players' screens themselves, not simply switching the "views" while in observer mode. i think it'd be a great idea, bw broadcasts don't nearly do enough of it these days. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Good suggestion! | ||
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PopcornColonel
United States769 Posts
The faces of the players, though, is a really nice touch I think most tournaments should use. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 14 2011 01:12 PopcornColonel wrote: I don't know how much I would like watching the first person cameras of players in tournaments - it would get pretty hectic. The faces of the players, though, is a really nice touch I think most tournaments should use. It's only for a few seconds. Never a massive time of watching first person cam. It's really cool. I suggest you go watch some BW vods to check it out | ||
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blae000
Norway1640 Posts
On August 14 2011 01:12 darkness wrote: This thread needs to reach GOMTV staff. ^^ Good suggestion! And the MLG staff! :D First Person View would be amazing.. ^^ If a player is streaming while he is playing a tournament I prefere to watch his stream instead of the 'main stream'. :D So yes please! ^^ | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
they move sooooo fast | ||
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
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agtemd
Canada362 Posts
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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Geovu
Estonia1344 Posts
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Chicken Chaser
United States533 Posts
On August 14 2011 01:11 zeehar wrote: no, this means they'd be outputting the players' screens themselves, not simply switching the "views" while in observer mode. i think it'd be a great idea, bw broadcasts don't nearly do enough of it these days. I haven't seen a lot of SCBW but I'm pretty sure I've seen the camera show the player's screen with mouse cursor and all. It wouldn't be any different than watching your favorite pros stream their games. I'm pretty sure even the casual viewer can appreciate seeing first hand what the pro is doing with his mouse.. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
wonder who is finally gonna realize and do that watching auto camera on replay isn't the same thing watching MC playing would be priceless | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On August 13 2011 05:47 DerNebel wrote: I don't see why not actually. I believe BW even has permanent First-person views on seperate screens during the entire match, just for the spectators in the stadium. Yes, MBCGame studio has 3 screens each for the FP view of the players. I believe it streams the desktop itself and anything running in it. Because before the games, you can see players toggle with window's settings | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
i've been saying this ever since the game came out. we need more FP View other than streams. it's the most interesting stuff ever. we want the FP View to be exactly what the progamer views on his screen On August 14 2011 01:43 Joseph123 wrote: watching auto camera on replay isn't the same thing yes | ||
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
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Farkinator
United States283 Posts
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Tommie
China658 Posts
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Kyhol
Canada2575 Posts
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KhAmun
United States1005 Posts
I also would like to see some form of instant replay, maybe IPL will implement that since they cast replays anyway. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/MrSexington/mlgviewing2-1.png) I know this isn't exactly what you're talking about when you talk about "1st person view," but I would be more that happy with this set-up. I enjoy watching people's streams and to see both player's "streams" in addition to the caster's screen would be perfect. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
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JayConn
United States408 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
This would definitely be good for SC2, though. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
however, this means having the computer nearby, if not streaming themselves... which limits it to either live events, or a high-end PC / internet for the player to stream their screen | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
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sparC
Germany162 Posts
On August 13 2011 05:48 brian568 wrote: I dont think fp view adds anything significant to the entertainment of the viewers. Because you cant see their mouse cursor etc watching battles or micro from the first person perspective, it LOOKS no different aside from a less predictable and shaky camera view that would probably be more confusing than impressive to a casual viewer. EDIT: I think over the shoulder camera angles from time to time, however, would be awesome! i think you didn't really understand what the question is about. it's NOT about the "player camera" option when you spectate/watch a replay. it's about the actual screen of the players, where you DO see the cursor, the ways the box units, and fly over the map via hotkeys. | ||
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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Treva
United States533 Posts
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
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Lith
Canada39 Posts
This would be awesome | ||
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Ixirawr
United States86 Posts
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Rustug
1488 Posts
I would also really, REALLY like a picture in picture when a drop occurs. Focus the main battle, but when seeing a drop on the mini-map I want vision, even if it is just a small picture in a corner. | ||
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tubs
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simansh
257 Posts
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
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lee365
United States448 Posts
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Whiplash
United States2929 Posts
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DrNo
Denmark64 Posts
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
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HawaiianPig
Canada5155 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
However, I'm not sure if it's good for GSL's originality. | ||
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Swarls
Australia193 Posts
And then allow us to use programs such as Warpprism and Wellplayed.tv to view all 3 perspective. Really give you the best viewer experience | ||
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On August 13 2011 05:43 tymt wrote: This is about the pov of the players playing, not their faces. I dunno why you guys were making fun of this dude, the best part of watching BW is instantly knowing who is ahead or behind in close situation because of the silly dramatic zoom the camera does on their faces. I wish every game did that, its awesome. It's so over the top for a video game. | ||
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IIIOmegaIII
Sweden319 Posts
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asperger
Sweden1310 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
Watching players like IdrA and Sen spread creep and multitask is a thing of beauty. No joke! | ||
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
On August 14 2011 19:06 heyoka wrote: I dunno why you guys were making fun of this dude, the best part of watching BW is instantly knowing who is ahead or behind in close situation because of the silly dramatic zoom the camera does on their faces. I wish every game did that, its awesome. It's so over the top for a video game. GGaemo vs mines, anyone? :O | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 14 2011 19:06 heyoka wrote: I dunno why you guys were making fun of this dude, the best part of watching BW is instantly knowing who is ahead or behind in close situation because of the silly dramatic zoom the camera does on their faces. I wish every game did that, its awesome. It's so over the top for a video game. yup me to, that and seeing the first person view of the player while playing was awesome to. Wish both of those were implemented again :D | ||
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asperger
Sweden1310 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
Here is an example from BW, Jaedong's view vs Bisu at WCG 2009; commentary by Tastosis: + Show Spoiler [FPVOD Jaedong vs Bisu WCG 2009] + And the same VOD from Bisu's view: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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asperger
Sweden1310 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [my e-mail] + I wrote: 안녕하세요, recently there was a thread on TeamLiquid (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254114) where people were expressing their wishes to see a first-person view from the players, like the Brood War matches sometimes had. I, and many others with me, think that this would be a fantastic addition to GOM TV's already fantastic work with the GSL, which has made us subscribe to your services since you started with the GSL. Now, I understand that this is problematic, since SC2 (unlike Brood War) does not show the player's mouse cursor when you switch to their view, and unless Blizzard feel like fixing this, I think we should try to come up with another solution. Perhaps one could try to mount a camera inside the booths that capture the players' screens from behind? I don't know if you feel this is an issue that is worth addressing, or if it would be too hard for you to implement, but I just wanted to inform you about our interest, and hope that you keep on working as hard and well with the GSL as you have before. 감사합니다! GOMtv.net wrote: Dear User: We the support team, also a big fan of GSL, also agree with your mail. We will talk to our production team(observers) to find out why it's not happening yet. Thank you for taking your time to talk in to us GOMTV.net | ||
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Talic_Zealot
688 Posts
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SiDX
New Zealand1975 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On August 14 2011 19:06 heyoka wrote: I dunno why you guys were making fun of this dude, the best part of watching BW is instantly knowing who is ahead or behind in close situation because of the silly dramatic zoom the camera does on their faces. I wish every game did that, its awesome. It's so over the top for a video game. Heh, I remember day9 calling it the doom zoom once. Seems pretty appropriate. ^^ And yeah for someone like me whos not smart, the doom zoom was really helpful to see whos winning. More to the topic: I certainly wouldnt object to this. I did always like it when they showed the FP views. I'm not too traumatized without it though. :D | ||
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EliteReplay
Dominican Republic913 Posts
On August 14 2011 19:09 asperger wrote: SC2 doesn't have the mouse cursor on the screen like BW had, though. If Blizzard could fix this it would be perfect, but I'm sure they left it out for a reason. I'd love for an over-the-shoulder cam to be introduced, though, perhaps we could ask GOM if they think it's a good idea? it doesnt matter if u dont see the cursor, havent u see any replay with the player view? its the same but without cursor, u see what the do anyway. | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On August 14 2011 21:54 asperger wrote: I actually e-mailed GOM, and they have already answered me! + Show Spoiler [my e-mail] + I wrote: 안녕하세요, recently there was a thread on TeamLiquid (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254114) where people were expressing their wishes to see a first-person view from the players, like the Brood War matches sometimes had. I, and many others with me, think that this would be a fantastic addition to GOM TV's already fantastic work with the GSL, which has made us subscribe to your services since you started with the GSL. Now, I understand that this is problematic, since SC2 (unlike Brood War) does not show the player's mouse cursor when you switch to their view, and unless Blizzard feel like fixing this, I think we should try to come up with another solution. Perhaps one could try to mount a camera inside the booths that capture the players' screens from behind? I don't know if you feel this is an issue that is worth addressing, or if it would be too hard for you to implement, but I just wanted to inform you about our interest, and hope that you keep on working as hard and well with the GSL as you have before. 감사합니다! you sir are full of win. and this is something i would love to see as well. one of they many thing's tournament broadcasts in SC1 did that hasnt carryed over yet. | ||
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shucklesors
Singapore1176 Posts
If here in SC2 we release it to the public it can be viewed through the FP mode anyway, so no minuses on that side. But would you really want to watch a player's FP most of the game? If it is introduced, I would suggest during interesting crises or surprises, such as the opponent's FP when someone 6/7 pools, then stuff like the lings dodging the scout will make the crowd go wild as it did in BW. | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
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asperger
Sweden1310 Posts
On August 14 2011 22:34 EliteReplay wrote: it doesnt matter if u dont see the cursor, havent u see any replay with the player view? its the same but without cursor, u see what the do anyway. Of course I have, but it doesn't give us a very clear view of the players' actions, it only gives us a shaky camera view and their unit selections (if you look closely). | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
Watching how different pros use their keyboard is something i find interesting. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
edit: seriously, how could you say no. You could have a preference on the angle or amount of time spent but its a win situation at the root. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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faruq
United Arab Emirates116 Posts
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
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Lazy_89
United States87 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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asperger
Sweden1310 Posts
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
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sickoota
Canada918 Posts
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
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Monsyphon
Canada190 Posts
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iSometric
2221 Posts
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
Or do you mean a camera like on the players computer screen? That would probably just look bad ascetically | ||
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
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Lavi
Bangladesh793 Posts
It would work for TvT though... First person view on the other hand could work out just fine and be pretty cool. I'm most interested in seeing the fpv of players like mma, etc. going into crazy multitask mode. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Trell
United States60 Posts
I would also second the motion of facial expressions. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
Idk about you lower level players, but when you play @ a high level, even in Masters, players usually don't watch battles as they go down. Your constantly PLAYING the game, you don't have time to watch. Your constantly multitasking, and your screen is jumping from place to place extremely quickly, too fast for anyone who isnt of at least high skill level to fully grasp. It's bad for esports. People who don't play SC2 already have enough trouble following, watching it on crack speed in FPS wont help. | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
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NiNLicorice
Sweden84 Posts
when they showed the crowd and the screen, in the middle was the observers view, and beside it on both side is an fps view of both players. | ||
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Capiachi
78 Posts
I think the way it is right now helps esports more to becomming a viewer-friendly enviorment. GSL has the most experience with this from what I've seen. I dont mind the option to have an extra stream for pov only though. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
I loved every second of it. | ||
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BoggieMan
520 Posts
But this should stay as a luxury, not as something every tournament holder is bound to have. | ||
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slam
United States923 Posts
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