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On August 10 2011 18:29 Nibbler89 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 18:13 karpo wrote:On August 10 2011 18:08 Wak.Turtle wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 verifyid wrote:
I don't really like to post to bad-mouth people I don't really know, but just a few minutes ago I really felt sad for Wolf when he casts with Moletrap. Wolf made a witty comment about code A qualifying being Daunte's Inferno with 7 levels of hell and Moletrap, for whatever reason, feels the need to correct him saying, "You mean 5 levels." insinuating that Wolf was wrong since code A qualifying only has 5 levels.
At that moment I thought to myself why does moletrap feel the need to correct his co-caster, whom he is supposed to have good chemistry with and not create awkward situations, and ruin what would have been an otherwise good casting segway.
The thing is this wasn't the only time he's done this (previous GSL seasons) and for this reason I believe that Doa makes a much better co-caster for Wolf. I completely agree with this post and I thought the exact same thing when this happened tonight. I personally do not like moletrap at all. I agree with what everyone has been saying on this thread. what I dont understand is why GOMTV isnt listening to the viewers? I mean there is a thread on the GOM site about the casters and its all about moletrap and how no one really likes him. Why would GOMTV bring him back to cast when the majority of people hate him to the point where they are saying they're not going to watch the GSL anymore, not that I think that is true, and or mute the stream? It just doesn't seem like a smart move to bring him back, He doesn't mesh well with DOA OR WOLF. At this rate what are they going to do bring kelly back? Why do you feel like your vocal minority (as seen in the GSL caster vote thread) should dictate who GOM hires and not? In every GOM comment section i see people shitting on Wolf, Doa or whatever caster is casting at the time. It's the internet, people like to complain about everything. If he improves that's great but I don't feel like my criticisms were off, if moletrap thinks his casting is fine why would he change? Why research the game and try not to make bad assumptions if no one is calling him out on it. If you just give a hard look at his casting without bias you can see there are some pretty glaring holes in it. Saying "you're just a vocal minority" and completely side stepping points made about his weaknesses as a caster seems like blind adoration to me. It's not like I made a post saying "LOLMOLECRAPSUX HE SHUD BE FIRED". That is the other extreme of the spectrum. He has his strengths and I already discussed in my previous post how he could easily improve as a caster just by not trying to over analyze without properly knowing if he is correct. Once he learns the game better then sure I'd welcome analytical casting from him.
Did i quote your post? No. You argue with me on points i didn't bring up.
I have no problem with you giving constructive criticism. What i don't like is people complaing about him being hired based on whine posts on GOM's forums. (GOM forums are filled with idiotic whine about everything).
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What I notice:
People are yelling moletrap sucks.
Other people are explaining why moletrap sucks.
People in favour of moletrap say you shouldn't just shout that moletrap sucks, ignoring the posts where they explained why he does.
As for me, I won't watch code A when Moletrap casts. I can't take his high-pitched voice (same with kelly btw). I was stoked to see Doa and Wolf casting, but I guess that was just for a few days/weeks.
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On August 10 2011 18:50 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 18:29 Nibbler89 wrote:On August 10 2011 18:13 karpo wrote:On August 10 2011 18:08 Wak.Turtle wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 verifyid wrote:
I don't really like to post to bad-mouth people I don't really know, but just a few minutes ago I really felt sad for Wolf when he casts with Moletrap. Wolf made a witty comment about code A qualifying being Daunte's Inferno with 7 levels of hell and Moletrap, for whatever reason, feels the need to correct him saying, "You mean 5 levels." insinuating that Wolf was wrong since code A qualifying only has 5 levels.
At that moment I thought to myself why does moletrap feel the need to correct his co-caster, whom he is supposed to have good chemistry with and not create awkward situations, and ruin what would have been an otherwise good casting segway.
The thing is this wasn't the only time he's done this (previous GSL seasons) and for this reason I believe that Doa makes a much better co-caster for Wolf. I completely agree with this post and I thought the exact same thing when this happened tonight. I personally do not like moletrap at all. I agree with what everyone has been saying on this thread. what I dont understand is why GOMTV isnt listening to the viewers? I mean there is a thread on the GOM site about the casters and its all about moletrap and how no one really likes him. Why would GOMTV bring him back to cast when the majority of people hate him to the point where they are saying they're not going to watch the GSL anymore, not that I think that is true, and or mute the stream? It just doesn't seem like a smart move to bring him back, He doesn't mesh well with DOA OR WOLF. At this rate what are they going to do bring kelly back? Why do you feel like your vocal minority (as seen in the GSL caster vote thread) should dictate who GOM hires and not? In every GOM comment section i see people shitting on Wolf, Doa or whatever caster is casting at the time. It's the internet, people like to complain about everything. If he improves that's great but I don't feel like my criticisms were off, if moletrap thinks his casting is fine why would he change? Why research the game and try not to make bad assumptions if no one is calling him out on it. If you just give a hard look at his casting without bias you can see there are some pretty glaring holes in it. Saying "you're just a vocal minority" and completely side stepping points made about his weaknesses as a caster seems like blind adoration to me. It's not like I made a post saying "LOLMOLECRAPSUX HE SHUD BE FIRED". That is the other extreme of the spectrum. He has his strengths and I already discussed in my previous post how he could easily improve as a caster just by not trying to over analyze without properly knowing if he is correct. Once he learns the game better then sure I'd welcome analytical casting from him. Did i quote your post? No. You argue with me on points i didn't bring up. I have no problem with you giving constructive criticism. What i don't like is people complaing about him being hired based on whine posts on GOM's forums. (GOM forums are filled with idiotic whine about everything).
You quoted a post of a person saying he agreed with me he gave some criticism of his own comparing moletrap and doa to which you said "so much whine".
Sorry if I misunderstood you but you definitely made it look like your problem was with criticism in general not just things based off of GOM forums.
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On August 10 2011 19:07 Liveon wrote:
What I notice:
People are yelling moletrap sucks.
Other people are explaining why moletrap sucks.
People in favour of moletrap say you shouldn't just shout that moletrap sucks, ignoring the posts where they explained why he does.
As for me, I won't watch code A when Moletrap casts. I can't take his high-pitched voice (same with kelly btw). I was stoked to see Doa and Wolf casting, but I guess that was just for a few days/weeks.
I'm saying i like Moletrap. Liking or not liking a caster is not a objective thing, it's 100% subjective. I too see things he could improve on and i really hope GOM pushes him to become the best caster he possibly can be.
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I don't find his voice enjoyable to listen to, but congrats to him.
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On August 10 2011 18:13 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 18:08 Wak.Turtle wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 verifyid wrote:
I don't really like to post to bad-mouth people I don't really know, but just a few minutes ago I really felt sad for Wolf when he casts with Moletrap. Wolf made a witty comment about code A qualifying being Daunte's Inferno with 7 levels of hell and Moletrap, for whatever reason, feels the need to correct him saying, "You mean 5 levels." insinuating that Wolf was wrong since code A qualifying only has 5 levels.
At that moment I thought to myself why does moletrap feel the need to correct his co-caster, whom he is supposed to have good chemistry with and not create awkward situations, and ruin what would have been an otherwise good casting segway.
The thing is this wasn't the only time he's done this (previous GSL seasons) and for this reason I believe that Doa makes a much better co-caster for Wolf. I completely agree with this post and I thought the exact same thing when this happened tonight. I personally do not like moletrap at all. I agree with what everyone has been saying on this thread. what I dont understand is why GOMTV isnt listening to the viewers? I mean there is a thread on the GOM site about the casters and its all about moletrap and how no one really likes him. Why would GOMTV bring him back to cast when the majority of people hate him to the point where they are saying they're not going to watch the GSL anymore, not that I think that is true, and or mute the stream? It just doesn't seem like a smart move to bring him back, He doesn't mesh well with DOA OR WOLF. At this rate what are they going to do bring kelly back? Why do you feel like your vocal minority (as seen in the GSL caster vote thread) should dictate who GOM hires and not? In every GOM comment section i see people shitting on Wolf, Doa or whatever caster is casting at the time. It's the internet, people like to complain about everything.
Lol no, it doesn't take much to find out that wolf has had huge success while moletrap is the center of most of the negative comments.
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On August 10 2011 19:48 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 18:13 karpo wrote:On August 10 2011 18:08 Wak.Turtle wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 verifyid wrote:
I don't really like to post to bad-mouth people I don't really know, but just a few minutes ago I really felt sad for Wolf when he casts with Moletrap. Wolf made a witty comment about code A qualifying being Daunte's Inferno with 7 levels of hell and Moletrap, for whatever reason, feels the need to correct him saying, "You mean 5 levels." insinuating that Wolf was wrong since code A qualifying only has 5 levels.
At that moment I thought to myself why does moletrap feel the need to correct his co-caster, whom he is supposed to have good chemistry with and not create awkward situations, and ruin what would have been an otherwise good casting segway.
The thing is this wasn't the only time he's done this (previous GSL seasons) and for this reason I believe that Doa makes a much better co-caster for Wolf. I completely agree with this post and I thought the exact same thing when this happened tonight. I personally do not like moletrap at all. I agree with what everyone has been saying on this thread. what I dont understand is why GOMTV isnt listening to the viewers? I mean there is a thread on the GOM site about the casters and its all about moletrap and how no one really likes him. Why would GOMTV bring him back to cast when the majority of people hate him to the point where they are saying they're not going to watch the GSL anymore, not that I think that is true, and or mute the stream? It just doesn't seem like a smart move to bring him back, He doesn't mesh well with DOA OR WOLF. At this rate what are they going to do bring kelly back? Why do you feel like your vocal minority (as seen in the GSL caster vote thread) should dictate who GOM hires and not? In every GOM comment section i see people shitting on Wolf, Doa or whatever caster is casting at the time. It's the internet, people like to complain about everything. Lol no, it doesn't take much to find out that wolf has had huge success while moletrap is the center of most of the negative comments.
I've seen at least 20 negative remarks about Wolf just browsing part of GOM's VOD comments. People cry over Doa and Wolf alot, not as much as Moletrap though.
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Moletrap will be doing fine when he stop interrupting is co-caster all the time.
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I didn't see any chemistry between Wolf and Moletrap when they were casting. Wolf and Moletrap frequently interrupted/talked over each other. What's funny is that they will continue to talk while interrupting or being interrupted lol. Also, Wolf tries to make these jokes and Moletrap's like aaahhhhhhhh....silience.. It just makes the whole situation awkward for Wolf. Doa at least goes along with it.
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Meh I don't think it was all that great. He's fine, but not good. I especially don't like that he doesn't know much about the game and gives wrong analysis. Just leave the analysis to Wolf.
+ Show Spoiler [Code A August Ro32] +He didn't even know about the DT expand build by SaSe on Dual Sight? He was like surprised when SaSe was going to throw down the Nexus -_-.
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Doa + Wolf is better than Moletrap + Wolf.
I dont think moletrap is fit to do a dual cast cause he keeps interrupting the other caster and doesn't even play along with the jokes well enough :/
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doa and wolf had good chemistry
when they commentated it was like two friends hanging out and talking about the game (much like tastosis).
not so much with moletrap and wolf.... moletrap is honestly awkward and not in a good way. a lot of the things he says, i'll just facepalm and almost feel bad for him. and that's hard because normally you can be really goofy/nerdy/awkward while talking about video games.
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Moletrap talks to much shit....
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On August 10 2011 22:20 eqez wrote:
Moletrap talks to much shit....
have to agree 
hopefully he just does Code A. No GSTL for him pls.
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So question for you people criticizing his commentating: Do you watch sc2 games for the caster/commentator?
Because based on the non-stop criticism of him (and of other casters in the past), it seems like most people prioritize quality of casters OVER quality of games/players. And if that is the case, I honestly feel bad for you people.
Edit: numerous posts saying "I won't watch GSL anymore if he's casting" tells me exactly where some people's priorities are.
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I wasn't too annoyed by Moletrap today, but that might've just been due to Wolfs awesome casting.
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On August 10 2011 22:25 Bayyne wrote:
So question for you people criticizing his commentating: Do you watch sc2 games for the caster/commentator?
Because based on the non-stop criticism of him (and of other casters in the past), it seems like most people prioritize quality over casters of quality of games/players. And if that is the case, I honestly feel bad for you people.
Edit: numerous posts saying "I won't watch GSL anymore if he's casting" tells me exactly where some people's priorities are.
No, moletrap is just so annoying, awkward and bad as a caster that it actually gets painful to listen to. I ususaly dont care much about casters, except when its moletrap/diggity casting. then i have to mute the stream. because they are soooo damn annoying to listen to.
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On August 10 2011 22:25 Bayyne wrote:
So question for you people criticizing his commentating: Do you watch sc2 games for the caster/commentator?
Because based on the non-stop criticism of him (and of other casters in the past), it seems like most people prioritize quality of casters OVER quality of games/players. And if that is the case, I honestly feel bad for you people.
Edit: numerous posts saying "I won't watch GSL anymore if he's casting" tells me exactly where some people's priorities are.
The quality of casting either adds or detracts from the quality of the games. Can you imagine a TSL3 finals cast by Moletrap and Diggity? it would have been terrible. Day9 and Chill added to the quality of the product, plain and simple. Moletrap does not do that for me, and judging by the reaction of the rest of the community he doesn't do it for them either.
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On August 10 2011 22:33 Jonas  wrote: Moletrap does not do that for me, and judging by the reaction of the rest of the community he doesn't do it for them either.
Remember though, there will always be people who lack what we call critical thinking and the ability to recognize problems. Anything that includes a man talking about starcraft 2 is good enough for them.
What is seriously fucked up is that modern corporate and business culture rewards this so called un-critical "Yes man" attitude.
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On August 10 2011 22:33 Jonas wrote:Moletrap does not do that for me, and judging by the reaction of the rest of the community he doesn't do it for them either.
I would like to think that the haters that frequent the caster criticism threads on TL do NOT represent the "community".
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