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sc0rp10n
United States28 Posts
MLGSundance Sundance DiGiovanni Working out the plan 4 releasing Anaheim SC2 replays. @MLGLee and Clap are the guys you want to thank for this. Official word coming soon. http://twitter.com/#!/MLGSundance Personally, I'll be making my way over to these guys twitter to make sure they know how much I appreciate this gesture. Since I know these guys deserve our support, I'll be buying a pass now... MLG, please don't do this to me ever again. I am your fan. :p | ||
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croupier
United States92 Posts
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jayva
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untilMay
Korea (South)190 Posts
EDIT: I'm sure sundance saw our comments and also noticed that these builds were really interesting and decided for it ^_^ | ||
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Shankapotamus
United States428 Posts
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Xaeldaren
Ireland588 Posts
I can't wait to dive head first into those games. | ||
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Kraznaya
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Agnosthar
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Gentso
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smocca
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infringement153
United States30 Posts
+1MLG | ||
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Madera
Sweden2672 Posts
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FuTon
United States308 Posts
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LetoAtreides82
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StimiLant
United States534 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:38 StimiLant wrote: Sundance Giovanni = best man on earth x2 SO AWESOME !!! | ||
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Crushgroove
United States793 Posts
etc. etc. Edit: On second thought... wtf... we're totally being duped here guys. "Hey, we gave out all the reps last time, how can we appear to be going above and beyond now? Oh... lets say we WON'T give out the reps, denying a service we already provided, then provide them anyway... people will think we're really going the extra mile!" No. In fact, I'm embarrassed that we're all falling for it. In addition, I propose we examine the amount of business SC2 provides and plot it on a line graph next to the amount of business all other MLG disciplines provide combined, then on another line graph, plot the proportions of the prize pools. I imagine sundance with a troll face going "problem?" Actually, he probably wouldn't acknowledge it at all... he'd just do this thing with replays again... "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE!!!!" pay no attention to the man behind the curtain folks...... | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
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MileyCyrus
United States285 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
I want to watch so many of these replays, great move by MLG | ||
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alepov
Netherlands1132 Posts
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IAttackYou
United States330 Posts
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theBullFrog
United States515 Posts
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + jk this is awesome! | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
my heart will forever be with mlg as long as they release replays. | ||
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Kaz04
United States53 Posts
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ehalf
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constantqt
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Denmark66 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:41 Crushgroove wrote: CELEBRATION! Feasting comparable to the final scene in Return of the Jedi! Its a monumental day! Triumph over the evil corporation! etc. etc. Edit: On second thought... wtf... we're totally being duped here guys. "Hey, we gave out all the reps last time, how can we appear to be going above and beyond now? Oh... lets say we WON'T give out the reps, denying a service we already provided, then provide them anyway... people will think we're really going the extra mile!" No. In fact, I'm embarrassed that we're all falling for it. In addition, I propose we examine the amount of business SC2 provides and plot it on a line graph next to the amount of business all other MLG disciplines provide combined, then on another line graph, plot the proportions of the prize pools. I imagine sundance with a troll face going "problem?" Actually, he probably wouldn't acknowledge it at all... he'd just do this thing with replays again... "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE!!!!" pay no attention to the man behind the curtain folks...... Lol. Okay. Sure buddy. There's always gotta be a nay-sayer in every news bit mentioning nothing but positive things (second thought, probably just a troll). Ah well, great job for re-thinking it, MLG! | ||
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BamBam
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tubs
764 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:41 Crushgroove wrote: On second thought... wtf... we're totally being duped here guys. I feel the same way. If you start off by lying straight to my face, getting caught and called out on it, and then trying to fix things by doing what should have been done in the first place? Hell no I'm not going to let that slide easy. Forgiven? Sure. I appreciate the gesture. But forgotten? Nope. Don't try that BS again. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On August 03 2011 09:05 tubs wrote: I feel the same way. If you start off by lying straight to my face, getting caught and called out on it, and then trying to fix things by doing what should have been done in the first place? Hell no I'm not going to let that slide easy. Forgiven? Sure. I appreciate the gesture. But forgotten? Nope. Don't try that BS again. Or else what? | ||
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 03 2011 09:05 tubs wrote: I feel the same way. If you start off by lying straight to my face, getting caught and called out on it, and then trying to fix things by doing what should have been done in the first place? Hell no I'm not going to let that slide easy. Forgiven? Sure. I appreciate the gesture. But forgotten? Nope. Don't try that BS again. There was no BS. R1CH confirmed that there was a risk after Lee talked to him privately. It was minor, but understandable given how important it is to not let their be problems at the live event, so any possible avoidance is a good idea. | ||
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Arnfasta
United States183 Posts
On August 03 2011 09:08 I_Love_Bacon wrote: There was no BS. R1CH confirmed that there was a risk after Lee talked to him privately. It was minor, but understandable given how important it is to not let their be problems at the live event, so any possible avoidance is a good idea. Agreed. And that small chance may not mean anything to me, the average viewer, but it would mean a whole lot if I were a competitor and that exploit was used against me to cause me to lag out. MLG has a responsibility to protect the players and part of that involves planning ahead, eliminating possible problems before they arise. I was thrilled about it, but I wasn't gonna argue against something I was getting for free and wouldn't affect my viewing experience. That Sundance and MLG have plans to release the replays, I think, speaks to their continued and outstanding dedication to us, the viewers. I don't think it's getting duped at all. I see it as: MLG saw a risk with releasing replays and decided to hold them (we can argue about the actual risk but they saw a risk) Huge reaction from the community MLG re-evaluates to try to please the community I'm not sure what more you want than a business that listens, and they do; they've shown it time and time again. Thanks MLG. sidenote: It's also one thing to try to figure this out DURING Anaheim and AFTER. | ||
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sc0rp10n
United States28 Posts
On August 03 2011 09:05 tubs wrote: I feel the same way. If you start off by lying straight to my face, getting caught and called out on it, and then trying to fix things by doing what should have been done in the first place? Hell no I'm not going to let that slide easy. Forgiven? Sure. I appreciate the gesture. But forgotten? Nope. Don't try that BS again. Part of me wants to insult you... how dare you bite the hand that feeds you?! But, honestly, I'm not sure if we would ever see these replays it it wasn't for the community's outcry to begin with. All in all, I'm thankful that it all turned out okay at the end. As the old adage goes, you never know what you have until you lose it. These replays I'm sure will be even more appreciated than before. | ||
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tubs
764 Posts
On August 03 2011 09:07 Nemireck wrote: Or else what? For me it's just as simple as refusing to support MLG by buying passes if they try to lie to their viewers again. I put my money where my mouth is. Will it change anything in the grand scheme of things? Nope. But as a consumer I like to support "esports" when it's done properly. And yes, I had an MLG Anaheim pass. I supported them and thought the event was great. Just didn't appreciate the replay stunt they tried to pull after my money was already spent. | ||
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Temporarykid
Canada362 Posts
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
MLGSundance Sundance DiGiovanni @DUCKVILLELOL When we do the full release it will be broad. Starting with key matches for casting then broader for everyone b hmm looks like it won't happen all at once. Only like maybe a few every week. and possibly not all of them released | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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ravenKRaz
United States580 Posts
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Arnfasta
United States183 Posts
On August 03 2011 09:21 Temporarykid wrote: Awesome! I mean really.. I don't even know how to ddos anyone. >< But that's the thing with the internet and the technological explosion. YOU don't need to. I don't need to. A giant team isn't required to do this lower-end stuff, just a kid with some time and a bad personality. So why take the chance? If they had released the replays like last time and their worries had come to fruition, I can guarantee we ALL would have complained about it. So they wanted to avoid that frustration for us AND the players. People can argue on whether or not it was a threat but they perceived it as such and took the steps to keep everyone safe. | ||
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Souai
United States47 Posts
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DrPhilOfdOOm
Sweden353 Posts
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
or else the "community" will have to have a word with MLG. boycott - lol :D | ||
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tubs
764 Posts
On August 03 2011 09:16 sc0rp10n wrote: Part of me wants to insult you... how dare you bite the hand that feeds you?! But, honestly, I'm not sure if we would ever see these replays it it wasn't for the community's outcry to begin with. All in all, I'm thankful that it all turned out okay at the end. As the old adage goes, you never know what you have until you lose it. These replays I'm sure will be even more appreciated than before. Well to be clear, I personally wouldn't have any problems with an organization NOT releasing replays. I'm pretty used to the Brood War korean scene and the GSL not releasing replays. That's not the issue I have. When the Koreans and the GSL say they don't want to release replays because they don't want to hand out pro player builds... that's PERFECTLY fine with me. If MLG said they didn't want to release replays for the same reason, or even for money reasons - again that's fine with me as long as they are straight up about it. I'm not fine with lying about it or with hand waving. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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DrunkenTemplar
Australia647 Posts
thanks MLG for reconsidering | ||
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Chernobyl
Brazil143 Posts
I was thinking about never see this streaming again, now im thinking about buying the gold ticket. | ||
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DrNK.Zeal
Korea (South)77 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:41 Crushgroove wrote: CELEBRATION! Feasting comparable to the final scene in Return of the Jedi! Its a monumental day! Triumph over the evil corporation! etc. etc. Edit: On second thought... wtf... we're totally being duped here guys. "Hey, we gave out all the reps last time, how can we appear to be going above and beyond now? Oh... lets say we WON'T give out the reps, denying a service we already provided, then provide them anyway... people will think we're really going the extra mile!" No. In fact, I'm embarrassed that we're all falling for it. In addition, I propose we examine the amount of business SC2 provides and plot it on a line graph next to the amount of business all other MLG disciplines provide combined, then on another line graph, plot the proportions of the prize pools. I imagine sundance with a troll face going "problem?" Actually, he probably wouldn't acknowledge it at all... he'd just do this thing with replays again... "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE!!!!" pay no attention to the man behind the curtain folks...... What brand of foil do you prefer for your hats? | ||
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
This risk is non existent because MLG showed the caster account names multiple times on stream. | ||
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f0rzaa
United States59 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:41 Crushgroove wrote: CELEBRATION! Feasting comparable to the final scene in Return of the Jedi! Its a monumental day! Triumph over the evil corporation! etc. etc. Edit: On second thought... wtf... we're totally being duped here guys. "Hey, we gave out all the reps last time, how can we appear to be going above and beyond now? Oh... lets say we WON'T give out the reps, denying a service we already provided, then provide them anyway... people will think we're really going the extra mile!" No. In fact, I'm embarrassed that we're all falling for it. In addition, I propose we examine the amount of business SC2 provides and plot it on a line graph next to the amount of business all other MLG disciplines provide combined, then on another line graph, plot the proportions of the prize pools. I imagine sundance with a troll face going "problem?" Actually, he probably wouldn't acknowledge it at all... he'd just do this thing with replays again... "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE!!!!" pay no attention to the man behind the curtain folks...... really? some people just find any reason to whine and never be happy... | ||
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MLGStephen
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I put so much work into being able to automatically grab replays from the computers and upload them in real time, I was disappointed to find out we wouldn't be releasing them. EDIT: On August 03 2011 08:41 Crushgroove wrote: CELEBRATION! Feasting comparable to the final scene in Return of the Jedi! Its a monumental day! Triumph over the evil corporation! etc. etc. Edit: On second thought... wtf... we're totally being duped here guys. "Hey, we gave out all the reps last time, how can we appear to be going above and beyond now? Oh... lets say we WON'T give out the reps, denying a service we already provided, then provide them anyway... people will think we're really going the extra mile!" No. In fact, I'm embarrassed that we're all falling for it. In addition, I propose we examine the amount of business SC2 provides and plot it on a line graph next to the amount of business all other MLG disciplines provide combined, then on another line graph, plot the proportions of the prize pools. I imagine sundance with a troll face going "problem?" Actually, he probably wouldn't acknowledge it at all... he'd just do this thing with replays again... "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE!!!!" pay no attention to the man behind the curtain folks...... You might want to loosen that tinfoil hat a tad, its beginning to chafe. | ||
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GWBuffalo
United States234 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:41 Crushgroove wrote: On second thought... wtf... we're totally being duped here guys. I think it's much more likely they honestly did intend to withhold the replays at first. The community outcry nudged them back in the right direction.... Then finally, when NASL released their replays, I think that's what pushed them over the edge. No way MLG was going to let NASL try and one-up them like that. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 03 2011 09:30 tubs wrote: Well to be clear, I personally wouldn't have any problems with an organization NOT releasing replays. I'm pretty used to the Brood War korean scene and the GSL not releasing replays. That's not the issue I have. When the Koreans and the GSL say they don't want to release replays because they don't want to hand out pro player builds... that's PERFECTLY fine with me. If MLG said they didn't want to release replays for the same reason, or even for money reasons - again that's fine with me as long as they are straight up about it. I'm not fine with lying about it or with hand waving. They. Were. Not. Lying. Read that until you understand those 4 words. At best you can accuse them of poor word choice. | ||
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
On August 03 2011 10:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote: They. Were. Not. Lying. Read that until you understand those 4 words. At best you can accuse them of poor word choice. There is nothing in the replays that facilitates chat spam. At best they were misinformed or someone in their IT group was wrong. They have not admitted to this. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:41 Crushgroove wrote: CELEBRATION! Feasting comparable to the final scene in Return of the Jedi! Its a monumental day! Triumph over the evil corporation! etc. etc. Edit: On second thought... wtf... we're totally being duped here guys. "Hey, we gave out all the reps last time, how can we appear to be going above and beyond now? Oh... lets say we WON'T give out the reps, denying a service we already provided, then provide them anyway... people will think we're really going the extra mile!" No. In fact, I'm embarrassed that we're all falling for it. In addition, I propose we examine the amount of business SC2 provides and plot it on a line graph next to the amount of business all other MLG disciplines provide combined, then on another line graph, plot the proportions of the prize pools. I imagine sundance with a troll face going "problem?" Actually, he probably wouldn't acknowledge it at all... he'd just do this thing with replays again... "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE!!!!" pay no attention to the man behind the curtain folks...... dude....... you need to chill out, dont make me get Tyler over here. | ||
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ArcticVanguard
United States450 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:32 Shankapotamus wrote: YES!!! (ﾉ^□^)ﾉ ︵ ┻━┻ flip tables in joy! This is incorrect because the tables were flipped when they were not releasing replays. Now they are flipping them back. | ||
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Intricate1
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On August 03 2011 10:29 TheWinks wrote: There is nothing in the replays that facilitates chat spam. At best they were misinformed or someone in their IT group was wrong. They have not admitted to this. R1CH from here at TL, the one who manages all tech related stuff at TL, confirmed it. If you don't have reason to believe what you're saying, don't say it. You obviously didn't have enough evidence to support your belief since it was already shown to be false. | ||
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Galleon.frigate
Canada721 Posts
MLG An't perfect but they make good shit happen more often than not, glad to see they were working on making people happy. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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submit
Brazil71 Posts
I'm certainly going to. TY BROS! | ||
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felizuno
United States164 Posts
for serious, this website functions like a high school project, they need R1CH soooo bad >.< | ||
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farvacola
United States18862 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 03 2011 10:29 TheWinks wrote: There is nothing in the replays that facilitates chat spam. At best they were misinformed or someone in their IT group was wrong. They have not admitted to this. It's a big conspiracy. MLG convinced R1CH to lie as well... | ||
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tubs
764 Posts
On August 03 2011 10:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote: They. Were. Not. Lying. Read that until you understand those 4 words. At best you can accuse them of poor word choice. Gonna pass up an unbelievable urge to troll you hard here, but I'll just leave it at - I'll just agree to disagree with you. | ||
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EliteReplay
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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
Sheth vs. Sjow White-Ra vs. Major White-Ra vs. DeMuslim White vs. The guy he got DQd from at first any other White Ra games lol | ||
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
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Nadir
Australia114 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:41 Crushgroove wrote: CELEBRATION! Feasting comparable to the final scene in Return of the Jedi! Its a monumental day! Triumph over the evil corporation! etc. etc. Edit: On second thought... wtf... we're totally being duped here guys. "Hey, we gave out all the reps last time, how can we appear to be going above and beyond now? Oh... lets say we WON'T give out the reps, denying a service we already provided, then provide them anyway... people will think we're really going the extra mile!" No. In fact, I'm embarrassed that we're all falling for it. In addition, I propose we examine the amount of business SC2 provides and plot it on a line graph next to the amount of business all other MLG disciplines provide combined, then on another line graph, plot the proportions of the prize pools. I imagine sundance with a troll face going "problem?" Actually, he probably wouldn't acknowledge it at all... he'd just do this thing with replays again... "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE!!!!" pay no attention to the man behind the curtain folks...... Alternatively you could look at it from the perspective of "Oh wow, I took for granted how awesome it was/is that MLG provides all the replays to the community free of charge while under absolutely no obligation to do so". How quickly the world owes you something huh? MLG is just such a fantastic tournament, I'm starting to really look forward to each one now! | ||
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
On August 03 2011 10:44 Mohdoo wrote: R1CH from here at TL, the one who manages all tech related stuff at TL, confirmed it. If you don't have reason to believe what you're saying, don't say it. You obviously didn't have enough evidence to support your belief since it was already shown to be false. Where did he confirm it? The only quote I've seen is that he understands their reasoning, but didn't have enough information to confirm/deny it. And having dug through a replay file myself, the only ID information I could find was the public B.Net identifier. Until I see some actual evidence to the contrary or at least a halfway decent explanation, I don't buy it. However, the reasoning is chat spam ('ddosing') and even if there is some obscure exploit in the replays, a simple script does the same job for you right now very quickly. Not releasing the replays has 0 mitigation value on that problem. So, even if there is an obscure unintended exploit of some kind, lack of release has 0 effect on mitigation. The problem is B.Net's chat functions, not something hidden in replay files. This isn't even going into things like how all the players have replays already floating around the internet for free download. | ||
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duk3
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GuiltyJerk
United States584 Posts
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
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AusBox
Australia214 Posts
It's what they should have done in the first place. | ||
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Fangzhou
United States199 Posts
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Herculix
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Germany6146 Posts
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kollin
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Germany2762 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
Thank you so much MLG!!!! Ill be watching all the games but the TvT's..... lol Want to see Tod vs Alicia and Nani vs Idra!!! We missed SO MANY games thoguh that werent streamed live. | ||
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WoundedKite
United States17 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On August 03 2011 14:16 TheWinks wrote: Where did he confirm it? The only quote I've seen is that he understands their reasoning, but didn't have enough information to confirm/deny it. And having dug through a replay file myself, the only ID information I could find was the public B.Net identifier. Until I see some actual evidence to the contrary or at least a halfway decent explanation, I don't buy it. However, the reasoning is chat spam ('ddosing') and even if there is some obscure exploit in the replays, a simple script does the same job for you right now very quickly. Not releasing the replays has 0 mitigation value on that problem. So, even if there is an obscure unintended exploit of some kind, lack of release has 0 effect on mitigation. The problem is B.Net's chat functions, not something hidden in replay files. This isn't even going into things like how all the players have replays already floating around the internet for free download. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10541008 | ||
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heligebob
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Canada988 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On August 03 2011 11:09 I_Love_Bacon wrote: It's a big conspiracy. MLG convinced R1CH to lie as well... they took his family hostage obv | ||
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
And to the nay sayers, you are not entitled to have the replays. They gave them once, it doesn't mean that they have to give them now. For that, I'm grateful! | ||
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Eiduart
Indonesia51 Posts
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Valckrie
United Kingdom533 Posts
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England4983 Posts
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Australia166 Posts
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France17 Posts
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Sweden15718 Posts
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PrAeToR.FeNiX
Canada361 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5221 Posts
MLG is my favorite tournament, I can now watch all the replays from the local players who went through the open bracket, and from my favorite players who weren't casted at the event. | ||
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BrK11
France4 Posts
HUGE thanks to MLG staff who did their best to work this out. <3 | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
edit: I thought MLG was being greedy and money grubbing, they have proved me flat out wrong and I'm so happy about it. | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
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kodas
United States418 Posts
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Rorra
Australia1066 Posts
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adwodon
United Kingdom592 Posts
AWESOME NEWS Appreciate MLGs intentions but the community loves them replays too much to not put up a fight :D | ||
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EiBmoZ
Canada235 Posts
i totally understand why they wouldn't want to release them live during the event but the plan should have always been to release them after the event this is them trying to save face | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
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Kerm
France467 Posts
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NSGrendel
United Kingdom235 Posts
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On August 03 2011 22:07 Boraz wrote: Will they be the replays with the casters? Or just the games? I wanna re-watch with the casters casting it. Those are VODs, which I believe you need to buy a ticket for. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
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TR
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Bidj
France98 Posts
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Oriatis
Austria57 Posts
Thank you MLG (and day9 of course for teaching me how to do it :D) | ||
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Carush
United States356 Posts
gotta study those mvp reps | ||
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SecondChance
Australia603 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:41 Crushgroove wrote: CELEBRATION! Feasting comparable to the final scene in Return of the Jedi! Its a monumental day! Triumph over the evil corporation! etc. etc. Edit: On second thought... wtf... we're totally being duped here guys. "Hey, we gave out all the reps last time, how can we appear to be going above and beyond now? Oh... lets say we WON'T give out the reps, denying a service we already provided, then provide them anyway... people will think we're really going the extra mile!" No. In fact, I'm embarrassed that we're all falling for it. In addition, I propose we examine the amount of business SC2 provides and plot it on a line graph next to the amount of business all other MLG disciplines provide combined, then on another line graph, plot the proportions of the prize pools. I imagine sundance with a troll face going "problem?" Actually, he probably wouldn't acknowledge it at all... he'd just do this thing with replays again... "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE!!!!" pay no attention to the man behind the curtain folks...... I'm not sure what to make of this. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I don't know when they realised that the data contained in relays can be used to jeopardize their tournaments. I don't know when this started occurring and if the decision they made to not release the replays is a result of this. What I do know is that they are releasing the replays now; and for this we should be thankful. Big evil company or misunderstood representatives; the release of the replays is a huge service to the sc2 community regardless of ulterior motives. Thankyou MLG. | ||
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
On August 03 2011 22:10 Zarahtra wrote: Those are VODs, which I believe you need to buy a ticket for. Nah you don't. You need a pass to watch them during the event, but afterwards they are free; http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/watch-all-anaheim-vod-in-tournament-order/ There ya go. | ||
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getSome[703]
United States753 Posts
All the same, good to hear | ||
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Murdock
Poland490 Posts
Time to study some builds. | ||
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Anorae
United States36 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:41 Crushgroove wrote: CELEBRATION! Feasting comparable to the final scene in Return of the Jedi! Its a monumental day! Triumph over the evil corporation! etc. etc. Edit: On second thought... wtf... we're totally being duped here guys. "Hey, we gave out all the reps last time, how can we appear to be going above and beyond now? Oh... lets say we WON'T give out the reps, denying a service we already provided, then provide them anyway... people will think we're really going the extra mile!" No. In fact, I'm embarrassed that we're all falling for it. In addition, I propose we examine the amount of business SC2 provides and plot it on a line graph next to the amount of business all other MLG disciplines provide combined, then on another line graph, plot the proportions of the prize pools. I imagine sundance with a troll face going "problem?" Actually, he probably wouldn't acknowledge it at all... he'd just do this thing with replays again... "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE!!!!" pay no attention to the man behind the curtain folks...... I would imagine that those opposed to releasing replays were the Korean players and their teams. Korean players are much more secretive with builds than foreigners tend to be. Koreans stream less frequently and release replays less often. Now that MLG and GSL have a partnership, I think that the GSL will probably try and prevent replays from being released. Again, this is completely speculation on my part, but I think my reasoning is pretty sound (even if they aren't the actual reasons haha) | ||
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Exstasy
United Kingdom393 Posts
On August 04 2011 00:47 Anorae wrote: I would imagine that those opposed to releasing replays were the Korean players and their teams. Korean players are much more secretive with builds than foreigners tend to be. Koreans stream less frequently and release replays less often. Now that MLG and GSL have a partnership, I think that the GSL will probably try and prevent replays from being released. Again, this is completely speculation on my part, but I think my reasoning is pretty sound (even if they aren't the actual reasons haha) If I'm honest i think it's more of a habit from the Kespa days. i don't think it really crosses their mind to stream or release rep packs etc, because it wasn't done in BW. Now players are coming to foreign tourneys and seeing the foreign fans and communities a lot of players are now streaming and I don't think the reps are much of an issue. But that's just my speculation =] | ||
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Animostas
United States568 Posts
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Loes
Canada115 Posts
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PlanitDuck
United States36 Posts
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Adolith
Germany37 Posts
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MonDeW
Denmark369 Posts
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51070 Posts
On August 04 2011 02:41 asdfTT123 wrote: GSL Takes notes. don't even bother asking for GSL reps. | ||
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daedelus
United States13 Posts
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/mlg/anaheim-replays MLG will no longer be making replays of Tournament matches available to the public. We realize that this has been a popular feature, but unfortunately replay packs contain data which can be used to DDOS the player- and the event. Because of the volume of replays we have to process during an event, we are unable to strip that information out of the files before publication. We realize that a large number of matches are played offstream at Pro Circuit Competitions. After MLG Anaheim, we will be sending replay packs out to selected groups of casters, so that these never-before-seen matches can be commentated and then released for everyone to see. I think the tweet is referring to releasing the replays to a few casters, not the public like in the past. On August 03 2011 08:31 sc0rp10n wrote: MLGSundance Sundance DiGiovanni Working out the plan 4 releasing Anaheim SC2 replays. @MLGLee and Clap are the guys you want to thank for this. Official word coming soon. | ||
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TheRealNanMan
United States1471 Posts
On August 03 2011 08:31 sc0rp10n wrote: MLGSundance Sundance DiGiovanni Working out the plan 4 releasing Anaheim SC2 replays. @MLGLee and Clap are the guys you want to thank for this. Official word coming soon. Right after that tweet he responded to Duckvillelol so this should help explain things daedelus MLGSundance Sundance DiGiovanni @DUCKVILLELOL When we do the full release it will be broad. Starting with key matches for casting then broader for everyone b this was the tweet Sundance was responding to DUCKVILLELOL DUCKVILLELOL @MLGSundance If you get a chance could you have a look at my comment on reddit regarding that? Different viewpoint. http://bit.ly/omfIgt Before you thank them, look at what is posted on their website about this: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/mlg/anaheim-replays MLG will no longer be making replays of Tournament matches available to the public. We realize that this has been a popular feature, but unfortunately replay packs contain data which can be used to DDOS the player- and the event. Because of the volume of replays we have to process during an event, we are unable to strip that information out of the files before publication. We realize that a large number of matches are played offstream at Pro Circuit Competitions. After MLG Anaheim, we will be sending replay packs out to selected groups of casters, so that these never-before-seen matches can be commentated and then released for everyone to see. This was posted up right after Anaheim | ||
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Adventurekid
Sweden505 Posts
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Kamma
Denmark111 Posts
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
On August 10 2011 22:39 netherDrake wrote: Anyone know where I can get the replays? I can't find them on battlenet contrary to what everyone says. (SEA/NA) I have been searching for them too, I don't think they have been released yet. Or if they have I can't find them, so far I think they have only released some casts of the unaired games. | ||
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Nivity
Sweden371 Posts
On August 04 2011 02:41 asdfTT123 wrote: GSL Takes notes. Every tour out there release replays cept for GSL. And GSLs reason for not releasing them is not the same as MLG. Its sad that GSL dont release replays sure, but also fun because its way harder to copy the players builds. MLG released it last time, and they should this time. So why raise MLG to the skies? Should we do that to every other even like Dreamhack etc for releasing replays which is a given aswell? ;> | ||
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RandomRice
United States303 Posts
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Nexic
United States729 Posts
On August 20 2011 04:52 RandomRice wrote: They won't release them till blizzard patches the chat spam issue, so I wouldn't hold your breath for a quick releasesorry for the bump, but have they been released yet? See this more recent thread MLG wrote: Once the patch has hit, we will always release replays AT LEAST before the next event takes place. This may or may not be possible before Raleigh. But they will be released. | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
On August 20 2011 04:52 RandomRice wrote: sorry for the bump, but have they been released yet? No | ||
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
If they're not out by the next event, I will for sure not be renewing my HD pass for the event following. >< | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On August 04 2011 05:21 daedelus wrote: Before you thank them, look at what is posted on their website about this: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/mlg/anaheim-replays I think the tweet is referring to releasing the replays to a few casters, not the public like in the past. Well that's what I figured from seeing that initial announcement, to me that meant that for those of us who didn't catch the game as it aired live, it just meant that we'd have to wait for Husky or something to release youtube videos on it, which would mean a delay but that's alright...We'd have our choice of commentator to watch the videos, just a bit later is all. But now I guess this means that MLG will simply release the replays so anyone can watch now? | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
Well that's what I figured from seeing that initial announcement, to me that meant that for those of us who didn't catch the game as it aired live, it just meant that we'd have to wait for Husky or something to release youtube videos on it, which would mean a delay but that's alright...We'd have our choice of commentator to watch the videos, just a bit later is all. But now I guess this means that MLG will simply release the replays so anyone can watch now? Why would they do that? Releasing replays is putting them at a huge risk. Every tournament that has released replays so far is being totally ruined by people messaging players. Look at IEM running now. They released replays on Day 1 and now its Day 4 and all the players are crying that they are being constantly messaged by abusers. The games are non-stop spiking and being restarted. Admins are running crazy trying to find new accounts for the players for every new game. The event is totally ruined. /sarcasm etc.. | ||
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267269 This patch address the MLG excuse for not releasing the replays. When do you think we can expect the replays for both Anaheim and Raleigh to be released? | ||
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
THANK you sundance | ||
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cpu
102 Posts
Also now with the new patch coming it will be a pain to load all those replays from the previous patch. | ||
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