EPTAbout some troubles (SlayerS_Jessica) - Page 29
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Rinnegan5
Netherlands319 Posts
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VoAchilles
United States82 Posts
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Arnfasta
United States183 Posts
On July 22 2011 08:08 2plusthree wrote: eve was the ONLY girl at gsl qualifiers if you didn't know, so maybe if those hundreds of other girls come out in public they will be recruited as well I'm 99% sure that's Tossgirl as I remember being told afterward and being pissed that I didn't grab her autograph. I'll have to look for confirmation though. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
Go Jessica! Eve fighting!! PS: <3 Ryung | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
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Kanku
France123 Posts
On July 22 2011 08:13 Arnfasta wrote: I'm 99% sure that's Tossgirl as I remember being told afterward and being pissed that I didn't grab her autograph. I'll have to look for confirmation though. I don't think so... Tossgirl hasn't switched to SC2... | ||
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
I feel that the public outcry that has resulted since Eve appeared on Gom is not as as much a reaction to her being a female, or being lower ranked, or the way in which she was recruited(which obviously would receive the majority of ignorant negativity, but these argument points is merely the hot coals that can reignite a fire) With that in mind, I feel it this was primarily an outcry against internet censorship. As soon as an individual tries to mediate and control the internet they are suddenly throwing themselves into the spotlight... in a situation in which I wouldnt even want to be near the stage. As far as I know, many of the photo shopped images initially appeared on a website which mimics the English speaking worlds 4chan. Having personally dealt with repulsive personal attacks I understand that these individuals all have similar ideals, and will always work together (Look at the anonymous DDOS attacks). They felt threatened by being publicly denounced, accused, mediated, and so they lashed back aggresively. To them, this is a normal reaction to an absurd campaign to "get them back!". I understand the pain, but whenever you're arguing with e-gangsters, even if you win the argument for a short period you lose and lose hard in the long run. In the case with Eve, I definitely feel the entire debacle should have been kept out of the media. Twitter (or forums!) is just not the medium where you can convince people or accuse people or argue with people; by doing any of these three things you are giving it so much exposure to the sort of individuals who are content with being ignorant arses. As I understand it things like this have become more and more common in NA and other parts of the world (I cannot speak for the korean 4chan or similar websites in other regions), and for the most part it does not get much media exposure and the event will fade away after a few weeks. In the case with SlayerS and Eve many people on both sides were hurt so rapidly and similarly lashed out on public media in an outcry. I feel this is what made everything spiral out of control. I've always felt you can just never win online. This is why I admire your continued progression towards lawsuits and legal action against the individuals harboring this extreme negative resentment towards yourself, SlayerS, and Eve. I commend your passion and effort so far in fighting for justice, equality, and moderation in the realm of the internet.My friend went down that road and although not much came of the investigation my friend received damage compensation and his attacker received a misdemeanor. Small win in the grand scheme of things. I hope your continued motivation towards justice will end in similar results but at a much larger scale. I'm not sure if this is appropriate, but it sums up the extent of my Korean language knowledge, Sugo Haseyo Jessica (work hard?) and I know you and Eve will receive some of the closure you are looking for. Anyways sorry if this is long winded, It was more of a flowing stream of my thoughts after I read the article. I came a little late to the "party" (this thread), but I hope it wasnt all that meaningless. I guess since it's on the 29th page in a thread filled with one liner responses it probably will never get read. | ||
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leBIGcrab
France313 Posts
But, i'm kinda sick of this thing and i think you shouldn't care much. For me, it is hurting SlayerS reputation. Good luck anyways, i still love boxer lol. | ||
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Ravar
United States447 Posts
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
It's perfectly understandable and i wish you best of luck <BOXER AND SLAYERS> HWAITNG!!! | ||
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
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Incursus
United States415 Posts
I am ashamed that other StarCraft fans would even think of direct hateful messages toward you based on what has happened and what you have done. You're protecting your team, right or wrong, you're doing it for the right reasons. Thank you for your commitment to your players, people throw the term supporting E-Sports around a lot, I think somewhere we've lost track of supporting people and ideas. You're supporting and defending your team, which is more than a lot of horrible people out there. Also, if you would tell Lim Yo-Hwan this for me I would be pleased. Never put down that mouse, keep fighting, you're still my champion sir, keep it up, even if you cannot play someday, show us what all that experience and mental prowess can do and raise up even more skilled players, like iloveoov in times past and like MMA, Ryung and GanZi now. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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Duckie
United States3 Posts
I then see the post made by Jessica here, and it hurts to read some of the things she posted. That her looks are being made a factor is sad. That she is saying that women playing among men is like taking the first baby steps like a toddler is insulting. Implying that they hope she is good for show matches for males to watch and how they don't expect her to do well enough to perform in the GSL is disgusting to me. I'm incredibly hurt and upset as a female player that is striving my hardest to play better that they are posing this more as a show and not as hope that she will be good and go on to do great things. I had really hoped to have a female player I could end up rooting for in the GSL and other tournaments knowing that she would do well with the amazing Slayers team behind her, but knowing that they only seem to intend her to be entertainment really sours my taste of the Slayers team. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37076 Posts
TL will back you guys up no matter what | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On July 22 2011 08:08 2plusthree wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEl43V3h4KM eve was the ONLY girl at gsl qualifiers if you didn't know, so maybe if those hundreds of other girls come out in public they will be recruited as well The only girl that was filmed by artosis at that particular time. I don't doubt that she might be one of a few women(or possibly the only one) to show up at the GSL quals but that doesn't constitute any evidence to her being the best female player. If you think about the gaming culture and how male dominated it is. Then think about how adolescent computer geeks generaly view women. Do you think that is an environment that young girls feel comfortable jumping into? They know that they're going to be oogled for being female and critisized way more harshly than the men at their skill levell. It's also very likely that there are a bunch of better female gamers that just realised that they had just about 0 chance to qualify in the first few seasons of the GSL when the competition was so insanely high even in the quals. If you actually look at that video you would realise how Eve had almost no chance at actually beating a good player to take the GSL spot. Other women might have just weighed that one in a million chance lighter than her. And sure the will to compete and be there is a plus for Eve. But it doesn't automatically make her the best female sc2 gamer in korea. Just one of the most confident ones. | ||
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Euphorian
Canada19 Posts
On July 22 2011 07:51 Kush6974 wrote: WOW WHAT A DRAMA QUEEN. I did not know how serious the internet was before this incident. Well that being said CAN I JOIN SLAYERS TEAM? I'm in diamond league too ^^ O wait... I probably cant join the team BECAUSE I DONT HAVE A VAGINA  (please don't file a lawsuit against me Jessica^^) PS. she is not actually in diamond league ^^ some1 else played on that to reach diamond. If you wanna see her play you can go check it out by clicking this link Link where she barely beats a silver league player + If you actually check her recent ladder games she loses to silver players with her GOLD LEAGUE account ^^ All and all Slayers_Jessica i don't care if you are filing lawsuits to internet trolls BUT PLEASE at least stop making BULLSHIT excuses about Slayers_Eve joining the team I hope you enjoy your ban. On another note, I wish Slayers the best of luck and hope to see Eve grow as a player. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On July 22 2011 08:20 Duckie wrote: As a female player that LOVES this game, loves to play and strives to get better it hurts me to see some of these things said about Eve. I was originally EXTREMELY excited to see that slayers had brought her on to the roster and I was cheering for her that she would hopefully do well and get trained like everyone else to compete in high level games. I then see the post made by Jessica here, and it hurts to read some of the things she posted. That her looks are being made a factor is sad. That she is saying that women playing among men is like taking the first baby steps like a toddler is insulting. Implying that they hope she is good for show matches for males to watch and how they don't expect her to do well enough to perform in the GSL is disgusting to me. I'm incredibly hurt and upset as a female player that is striving my hardest to play better that they are posing this more as a show and not as hope that she will be good and go on to do great things. I had really hoped to have a female player I could end up rooting for in the GSL and other tournaments knowing that she would do well with the amazing Slayers team behind her, but knowing that they only seem to intend her to be entertainment really sours my taste of the Slayers team. It's not just for show you know. Jessica wants this exposure just like you said, maybe a female to root for in the GSL. But I think she and Boxer and SlayerS know the limits to Eve's capabilities. But I mean, they didn't force her so she must have agreed to come on SlayerS. And to be honest, referring to the first professional female SC2 player as a big step isn't all that incorrect. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
That being said, in my western culture: If someone in your family was the victim of cyberbullying, would you tell them to stop overreacting? Oh yeah, definitely. Even the porn thing. We are all raised to have tough skin. Lashing out only serves to validate the attackers ability to have an effect on you. But this is my culture. I am to understand that in Korean culture, attacks like these seem to have a greater effect on people. To the point where celebrities are taking there own lives. So do I think all the actions Jessica took were wrong? Except for maybe the whole twitter incident which I am still not 100 percent on, no. South Korea is capable of handling itself politically and legally so if the country decides that actions against random internet posters is no longer necessary I am sure it will do away with it. It would make no sense in the US as there would be millions of lawsuits a day. As far as the twitter thing, one needs to have tough skin to responsibly use and view twitter. That being said. I am all for girls stomping nerds in SC2. Go slayers. | ||
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Duke_Leto
United Kingdom29 Posts
Anyone who has seen the BoxeR's Wings documentary (you can find it on YouTube) will see how dedicated Jessica is to protecting and supporting BoxeR. Clearly these feelings also extend to her team and that is to be respected and encouraged, as it is a beautiful and wonderful thing. | ||
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