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Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
July 21 2011 07:53 GMT
#1361
clidekj Hankyujong
Dirty Cash
6 minutes ago
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
July 21 2011 07:53 GMT
#1362
iNcontroL says he has an extremely important tweet in 5 mins, I can only assume its about this.
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
July 21 2011 07:53 GMT
#1363
The way I see it it's just another step in the overall PR strategy of team EG. It started with Idra becoming the bad boy of western SC2, the player you love to hate. iNcontroL is now drifting in the same direction. You had team EG opening up ItG and undermining SotG and now they 'steal/snipe/aquire' Puma to the dismay of the TSL coach.

They are moving into the lucrative position of the team you love to hate.
Shaxe
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands590 Posts
July 21 2011 07:53 GMT
#1364
This sounds serious, iNcontroL leaving EG?
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
July 21 2011 07:53 GMT
#1365
On July 21 2011 16:53 mdma-_- wrote:
startale also offered dimaga a contract when he was in korea. He refused.
I dont think startale approached mtw's management back them. How come nobody was furious about that? Its no different, just that the deal didnt work out.



This is TL, it's always the white guys killing ESPORTS here.
Fkyx
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States109 Posts
July 21 2011 07:54 GMT
#1366
I'm going to laugh when it turns out EG is acquiring TSL, and this was all just theatrics to make TL go crazyyyyyy!
Sup son? ¯\__(ツ)__/¯
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
July 21 2011 07:54 GMT
#1367
On July 21 2011 16:53 mdma-_- wrote:
startale also offered dimaga a contract when he was in korea. He refused.
I dont think startale approached mtw's management back them. How come nobody was furious about that? Its no different, just that the deal didnt work out.



not that i dont beleive you, but for the ignorant can you please direct us to a source, im just suprised i passed that over, as im looking for it now.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5763 Posts
July 21 2011 07:54 GMT
#1368
On July 21 2011 16:49 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:47 trikshun wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:45 jellyjello wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:37 Kamuy wrote:
Good for Puma and EG. If both sides benefit from this then there is nothing wrong. Korean culture, blah blah blah, they need to understand this is a GLOBAL game. Their culture and high moral standards are not the norm for the rest of the world and you either sign your players to legally binding contracts or expect them to get better, more lucrative offers and gladly accept them.

Anyone saying what Puma did here is wrong is delusional.

Scenario A: Puma stays with TSL, has to bank his ENTIRE sc2 tournament winnings on ONE tournament, and rarely leaves Korea for international tournaments. We'll assume hes getting paid, but obviously less than he would with EG.

Scenario B: Puma joins EG, gains a higher salary, and travels all over the world to multiple events while gaining notoriety and more opportunities for cash prizes.

Yea.... I'd like to see how many people take Scenario A.




It's very simple. Had EG contacted TSL for the said player "PuMa", it's more than likely that TSL agreed to having the player join the team EG and everyone would have been happy. But because EG went behind the player's team and his coach/manager, we now ended up with this retarded fiasco.

That makes sense.
Sirscoots:"Hey Coach Lee we want you're best player"
Coach Lee: Sure Scoots!

Now would that make any sense xD


Right.... so the other option must be to steal the player behind the team's back. That makes even more sense

If TSL and Lee feel betrayed, they shouldn't sit with their back to the door.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
July 21 2011 07:54 GMT
#1369
On July 21 2011 16:53 TheButtonmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:53 mdma-_- wrote:
startale also offered dimaga a contract when he was in korea. He refused.
I dont think startale approached mtw's management back them. How come nobody was furious about that? Its no different, just that the deal didnt work out.



This is TL, it's always the white guys killing ESPORTS here.


No one knew about it?
and what op said
Snitches get stiches
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
July 21 2011 07:55 GMT
#1370
I dont understand all the hate towards EG. Esport is a business if TSL doesnt got a contract that bind there players to there team. Then the headcoach got no reason to complain when another team snatch one of the players. There is a reason why in allmost every other sport there is contracts between the clubs/teams that bind there players for a certain amount of time.

The only one there is to blame is the headcoach of TSL he should have provided binding contracts to his players.

GL to EG and Puma
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
July 21 2011 07:55 GMT
#1371
Nice to see ESPORTS developing like traditional (non-capitalised) sports. Teams fighting over players like football teams do can only help to make more players move into SC2/progaming, although EG probably should have shown a little more courtesy to the TSL team, since talking directly to players seems to be a pretty big no-no in football.

BTW, I mean football when I say football, not handegg.

Anyhow best wishes to Puma, he amazed me at NASL and hope he does great things at EG.
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 21 2011 07:55 GMT
#1372
*checks Calendar*

hmmm it's not April 1st....

But seriously, this is a big surprise. Major gain by EG.

Feel kinda sorry for TSL. This is yet another debilitating blow after losing FD and Tester to ST. They pretty much only have Killer and Clide remaining as top competitors. I remember for a brief period people thought they were the strongest sc2 team in the world. ;;
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StatikKhaos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States214 Posts
July 21 2011 07:55 GMT
#1373
i think incontrol is incontrolling us...just sayin
Those Bitches
Ansalem
Profile Joined November 2010
564 Posts
July 21 2011 07:55 GMT
#1374
On July 21 2011 16:52 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:51 Talin wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:49 Buruguduy wrote:
I see esports journalism continues its fine tradition of no fact checking! Bravo! Bravo! /me rolls "eyes"

-SirScoots' twitter

http://twitter.com/#!/SirScoots/status/93944977545109504

two sides to every story!


Nope. It's more like two stories to each side - the real one, and the one they'll grace the public with.

But oh well - roll out the EG damage control PR squad again.

I don't see a side there. I see Scoots vaguely pissing on TSL statements without offering an explanation himself. Sure he's with Alex working out a nice PR side to what they did.


Holy shit dude give it a rest. It's the middle of the night in America and presumably didn't know the TSL coach was going to make a press release. Obviously they are having a secret meeting plotting their lies right at this moment. It's not like Scoots could be unhappy (just like the TSL coach is) that this announcement was made without their side of the story and they haven't prepared a press release yet. You've obviously made up your mind already, however, so I doubt it will matter to you.
Gooey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States944 Posts
July 21 2011 07:55 GMT
#1375
On July 21 2011 16:48 Kairos~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:40 BackSideAttack wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:37 yosisoy wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:34 StatikKhaos wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:32 namste wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:25 trikshun wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:22 Ajnin wrote:
Team is doing poorly?
Bribe NASL winner korean terran with paycheck.
Hope to win.


+ Show Spoiler +
EG

idrA player placing 4th behind 3 Koreans. Representing North America at Gamescon. Yeah EG is doing bad


Yeah EG is doing bad, idra isn't. One player doesn't make a team!

But i mean several teams have only one player perform, what liquid player has done anything (recently) besides HuK? what oGs player besides MC. The list goes on...stop just hating on EG cause it makes you sound stupid


Jinro won MLG Dallas and made Code S ro4 twice, Ret won Assembly.
oGsTOP won code A, oGsInca code S finals, to name a few.


He asked RECENTLY...none of those recent other than Inca


Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.

Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh.

So the IPL Season 1 isnt big enough for the big and mighty eSports follower Talin.

$2500 first place prize for an online tournament done through replays. Idra got payed more for doing a showmatch to launch the tournament that PuMa just won, which was done over 8 weeks, ending with a live weekend LAN event.
www.twitch.tv/Thatgooey
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
July 21 2011 07:55 GMT
#1376
On July 21 2011 16:53 FryktSkyene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 16:51 Averious wrote:
"I have an extremely important tweet to make in exactly 5 minutes stay tuned please..." iNcontrol

http://twitter.com/#!/EGiNcontroL/status/93951020803178496


Wtf who makes a tweet about makeing a tweet.

It's almost like making an annoucement about make an annoucement.


WHO WOULD DO SUCH A DUMB THING.

Nvm I see who it is...

zzzz

lol tweet about an upcoming tweet ahha awesome, wouldn't Scoots get mad if iNcontroL posted something though?
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simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
July 21 2011 07:55 GMT
#1377
dont know the details about contracts and wut not so i dont want to make comment on that
good for puma i suppose

i guess im just worried for what kind of backlash he'll get from the korean community and his peers. he's quite young too
byah!
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
July 21 2011 07:55 GMT
#1378
Well, I think his skill level will drop (relative to the KR peak) if he joins the EG house, but since I don't really care about him nor EG... I just find this development very interesting.

"There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this"

Ah, the hilarity. Sounds vaguely familiar, but back then it had more of a

"There needs to be a system to stop Korean players from stealing our prize money like this"

ring to it. Protectionism at its finest.
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 07:57:12
July 21 2011 07:55 GMT
#1379
Why is poaching players bad? I don't understand why you have to go to team management??? Plz someone explain.. If EG can offer 40K a year but TSL offers 30K a year why is Puma's decision to depart any business of TSL management? If they have a contract then Puma has to stay, and puma can leave when the contract ends or if TSL decides to let him go...
suprnovaynwa
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia7 Posts
July 21 2011 07:55 GMT
#1380
EGiNcontroL Geoff Robinson
I have an extremely important tweet to make in exactly 5 minutes stay tuned please...


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