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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On July 21 2011 16:35 TheButtonmen wrote: It probably wasn't Puma's choice? Did they kidnap his family or something? I believe you have to follow contracts, not sure about that though. I'll have to consult The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith for some advice. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 21 2011 16:33 PikaXchU wrote: Basically, what EG just did is something like this: Your family allows you to go over to your friend's house for the weekends. On Sunday, your friend's parents offer you to stay at their house instead of your house, and in return gives you much more allowance than your parents give and some other benefits. Well, you take this offer, and you get home, pack your things and tell your parents you are not staying with them anymore. How exactly would your parents feel? First of all, in business, it's ethical to approach the group instead of the individual belonging to the group if you intend to bring him over to your side. Secondly, TSL pays their players, so obviously there has to be a certain contract. IMO, this is quite detrimental for the relationship between Koreans and Foreigners. As someone earlier in this thread has already mentioned, Korean teams might be afraid to send their best players overseas to compete in fear of losing them. Your last paragraph actually makes a great point. If EG didn't actually go through the proper channels (which seems to be the case judging by Coach Lee's reaction), it actually kind of does hurt E-sports (har har, I'm not joking) because other Korean teams will see this and grow paranoid. Why would you pay for a player to be flown over to a tournament overseas if there's a precedent set that risks a foreign team making a nice offer to your player behind your back? If EG did indeed go through the proper channels and Coach Lee is just being angry for no reason, then I see nothing wrong with anything. However, as things look now, my suspicions fall upon the former as to what actually happened. | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
I do not agree. Yeah, it is a little fearful, but competition breeds quality. I think it is good because it may force Korean teams to take better care of their players. If they do not want to lose them, then they need to try to keep them. This will reduce the fat from rosters and I think in the end it could create quality as free market is supposed to do. | ||
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yosisoy
Israel202 Posts
On July 21 2011 16:34 StatikKhaos wrote: But i mean several teams have only one player perform, what liquid player has done anything (recently) besides HuK? what oGs player besides MC. The list goes on...stop just hating on EG cause it makes you sound stupid Jinro won MLG Dallas and made Code S ro4 twice, Ret won Assembly. oGsTOP won code A, oGsInca code S finals, to name a few. | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
On July 21 2011 16:32 Yew wrote: Whatever happened to "home grown" teams? Isn't EG supposed to be like "America's team"? This is really really sad to me. FXO I can understand, since the fOu guys have like no money, and they are friends with the FXO guys, but this is really weird. They just buy off puma since they have so much money. I think this leaves only COL as the last only American team. CatZ will probably try to keep it that way LOL. | ||
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Kamuy
United States212 Posts
Anyone saying what Puma did here is wrong is delusional. Scenario A: Puma stays with TSL, has to bank his ENTIRE sc2 tournament winnings on ONE tournament, and rarely leaves Korea for international tournaments. We'll assume hes getting paid, but obviously less than he would with EG. Scenario B: Puma joins EG, gains a higher salary, and travels all over the world to multiple events while gaining notoriety and more opportunities for cash prizes. Yea.... I'd like to see how many people take Scenario A. | ||
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Midgetman101
United States825 Posts
I know lol :D | ||
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LittleAtari
Jordan1090 Posts
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IceSlipper
Australia1028 Posts
On July 21 2011 16:35 BFCrimson wrote: God forbid we wait more than an hour and a half (with the story breaking at 11:00PM PDT) for the other half of the story, WE HAVE FACTS!!!! God forbid if the facts are not all to the story, scoots/EG tell us rather than tweet about us not knowing everything? | ||
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
On July 21 2011 16:37 TheAmazombie wrote: I do not agree. Yeah, it is a little fearful, but competition breeds quality. I think it is good because it may force Korean teams to take better care of their players. If they do not want to lose them, then they need to try to keep them. This will reduce the fat from rosters and I think in the end it could create quality as free market is supposed to do. Competition? You mean "money" right? If Puma moves away from korea to attend the EG house this ripe fruit of a player will rot away. | ||
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thedz
United States217 Posts
On July 21 2011 16:33 PikaXchU wrote: Basically, what EG just did is something like this: Your family allows you to go over to your friend's house for the weekends. On Sunday, your friend's parents offer you to stay at their house instead of your house, and in return gives you much more allowance than your parents give and some other benefits. Well, you take this offer, and you get home, pack your things and tell your parents you are not staying with them anymore. How exactly would your parents feel? It's more akin to this situation: You're in a group. The leader of the group says that everyone's a big family. Super, great, dandy. For reasons unknown to anyone outside the group, 3 high profile members of the "family" leave. Two to another Korean team, and one to a foreign team. You get an offer that's better than the offer your current group is able to present. You decide to take it. You leave. The leader of the group, the supposed father figure, feels betrayed that you left. And yet, why did the other three "family members" leave? I think everyone (rightly) likes to think of all teams as big loving families. Ideally, that's probably what they should be. But sometimes, it's not. And right now, the pattern of players leaving TSL suggets that it's not quite the idyllic family environment many are thinking it is. IMO, this is quite detrimental for the relationship between Koreans and Foreigners. As someone earlier in this thread has already mentioned, Korean teams might be afraid to send their best players overseas to compete in fear of losing them. And Korean players will only get more frustrated with their teams. Competition for players is a fact of the market. Teams, as in any sport, will have to deal -- with either stronger contracts, or stronger compensation. | ||
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Ciraxis
Australia400 Posts
The other possibly dangerous (or maybe entertaining) outcome of this trend is the growing tension between Korean and foreigner teams, as signaled by TSL manager's fury. Only time will tell. | ||
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
There's so much we don't know, yet people keep claiming that Puma or EG are this or that. It's blowing my god damn mind. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
I believe I can translate that. It read something along the lines of "I would love a piece of cake." May be a bit of a paraphrase. | ||
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
On July 21 2011 16:33 TheButtonmen wrote: Funny you say that on this site..... What teams are doing "good" then? Dignitas, mouz, and Fnatic. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 21 2011 16:35 BFCrimson wrote: God forbid we wait more than an hour and a half (with the story breaking at 11:00PM PDT) for the other half of the story, WE HAVE FACTS!!!! The problem is that time is actually of the essence in a situation like this. If EG takes too long to come out with the announcement, people are going to infer that they spent that extra time trying to tailor a nicer story than perhaps what the actual truth might be. EG management should know EXACTLY what happened, and, seriously, it doesn't take long to type up a couple paragraphs that would clarify everything. Certainly, it wouldn't take an hour. Half an hour, tops, if they really wanted to just clarify everything cleanly. | ||
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Blackjackx
United States13 Posts
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StatikKhaos
United States214 Posts
On July 21 2011 16:37 yosisoy wrote: Jinro won MLG Dallas and made Code S ro4 twice, Ret won Assembly. oGsTOP won code A, oGsInca code S finals, to name a few. *recently* and we both know incas finals was a joke... | ||
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Stamper
Germany148 Posts
Besides it's probably not a legal issue, it has something to do with respect. | ||
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Yew
United States940 Posts
On July 21 2011 16:37 Disquiet wrote: I think this leaves only COL as the last only American team. CatZ will probably try to keep it that way LOL. sixjax too, unless you count artosis lol. | ||
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