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EGfanBoi!DemuFtw
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom46 Posts
July 22 2011 18:21 GMT
#6801
woooo go EG and Puma

EGPuma FIGHTING
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 18:30:40
July 22 2011 18:29 GMT
#6802
On July 23 2011 02:38 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 02:36 happyness wrote:
Would it have made a difference if EG had contacted TSL first? I mean it's not like they were going to ask for their permission. TSL in no way owns Puma.

I think their's really no reason to be angry(except for EG lying). This situation benefits Puma ultimately, theres no reason to feel bad for TSL. It's there fault they didn't make a contract.


Yes. Maybe TSL would have bested the offer.

He didn't sign yet, they still could have bested the offer.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 22 2011 18:31 GMT
#6803
On July 23 2011 03:16 Jetsfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 03:13 Baeras wrote:
I understand why hes pissed he created puma well what he is today not to say the kid wouldn't have done great things anyways but its the time and care he puts into all of his players he still should contract them no problems plus you're guaranteed transfer fees and clauses you'll never end up screwed



He did not create Puma, Puma created Pume. He was a pro-gamer long before TSL was around. All they did was provide him with room and board. And in return for that he played for Mr. Lee under TSL's name

This doesn't give TSL nearly enough credit. Oh, they ONLY provided him with room and board? Gee, what Nazis.
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
July 22 2011 18:32 GMT
#6804
On July 23 2011 02:54 On_Slaught wrote:
So, STILL nothing from EG about the finalization of Puma joining or not, and when? Or is the OP just not fully updated.


Nothing has been signed, finalized nor has Puma joined EG yet, there is nothing to update.
Resolve
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore679 Posts
July 22 2011 18:35 GMT
#6805
On July 23 2011 03:09 Jetsfan wrote:
Milkis is completely biased in this situation. Why people are taking what he says so seriously baffles me as it's quite obvious he has no idea whats going on.

Thank god there are other people who can translate for us

Well Milkis is korean... of course he's biased and he has every right to be... but I don't see any bias from him in the OP, just a some links/translations of other articles and some updates on the situation. I'm not sure about people taking what he says seriously, I think most people are only taking what he translated seriously...
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 18:37:50
July 22 2011 18:37 GMT
#6806
On July 23 2011 03:35 Resolve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 03:09 Jetsfan wrote:
Milkis is completely biased in this situation. Why people are taking what he says so seriously baffles me as it's quite obvious he has no idea whats going on.

Thank god there are other people who can translate for us

Well Milkis is korean... of course he's biased and he has every right to be... but I don't see any bias from him in the OP, just a some links/translations of other articles and some updates on the situation. I'm not sure about people taking what he says seriously, I think most people are only taking what he translated seriously...


Thank god there are other people who provides free service that I naturally deserve, instead of this milkis guy who doesn't even do everything right when we are not paying him a cent.

Really? Why is this guy here.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 18:39:43
July 22 2011 18:38 GMT
#6807
On July 23 2011 03:09 Jetsfan wrote:
Milkis is completely biased in this situation. Why people are taking what he says so seriously baffles me as it's quite obvious he has no idea whats going on.

Thank god there are other people who can translate for us


Let me know where I've been biased and I'll remedy it. Or, if you can't even read Korean, how could you even accuse my work of being biased?

I take accusations of "bias" in my translations seriously so please, provide proof when making these accusations.

Please also don't imply I have no idea what's going on. Just because I wasn't articulate on the show does not mean I'm not quite aware of what's going on.

Or if you disagree with my opinion, then you disagree with my opinion. However, calling me "biased" because of that is laughable since I make sure that I stay true to the source as possible.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 18:41:42
July 22 2011 18:40 GMT
#6808
On July 23 2011 03:31 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 03:16 Jetsfan wrote:
On July 23 2011 03:13 Baeras wrote:
I understand why hes pissed he created puma well what he is today not to say the kid wouldn't have done great things anyways but its the time and care he puts into all of his players he still should contract them no problems plus you're guaranteed transfer fees and clauses you'll never end up screwed



He did not create Puma, Puma created Pume. He was a pro-gamer long before TSL was around. All they did was provide him with room and board. And in return for that he played for Mr. Lee under TSL's name

This doesn't give TSL nearly enough credit. Oh, they ONLY provided him with room and board? Gee, what Nazis.


To be fair, its friggin' Puma, if tsl didnt give him room and board, someone else certainly would have. So I cant really see that as tsl making Puma what he is.

Edit: <3 TSL, <3 Puma, <3 Milkis
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
July 22 2011 18:44 GMT
#6809
Milkis is offering a very valuable service for nothing in his own time, it's quite heartwarming. As for an EG statement, I don't see why they even need to make one. I suppose to announce the player acquisition?
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6248 Posts
July 22 2011 18:46 GMT
#6810
On July 23 2011 03:38 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 03:09 Jetsfan wrote:
Milkis is completely biased in this situation. Why people are taking what he says so seriously baffles me as it's quite obvious he has no idea whats going on.

Thank god there are other people who can translate for us


Let me know where I've been biased and I'll remedy it. Or, if you can't even read Korean, how could you even accuse my work of being biased?

I take accusations of "bias" in my translations seriously so please, provide proof when making these accusations.

Please also don't imply I have no idea what's going on. Just because I wasn't articulate on the show does not mean I'm not quite aware of what's going on.

Or if you disagree with my opinion, then you disagree with my opinion. However, calling me "biased" because of that is laughable since I make sure that I stay true to the source as possible.


They're just trolls milkis you're an awesome translater..
LucyApple
Profile Joined May 2011
16 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 19:04:09
July 22 2011 18:47 GMT
#6811
On July 23 2011 03:16 Jetsfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 03:13 Baeras wrote:
I understand why hes pissed he created puma well what he is today not to say the kid wouldn't have done great things anyways but its the time and care he puts into all of his players he still should contract them no problems plus you're guaranteed transfer fees and clauses you'll never end up screwed



He did not create Puma, Puma created Pume. He was a pro-gamer long before TSL was around. All they did was provide him with room and board. And in return for that he played for Mr. Lee under TSL's name


I think the logic of "employer-employee" doesn't apply to the TSL team. Apparently, Coach Lee decided to run the team more like a charity(family) sort of thing rather than a business company so there is a strong bond between the coach and every players. The relationship between the coach and player is sort of like father and son sort of thing. As for the money on why don't they pay every players, Starcraft 2 is Korea is currently in a bit of a struggle right now (with Brood War still going on). Some teams are struggling financially with no big sponsor.
Barkziee
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom138 Posts
July 22 2011 18:49 GMT
#6812
On July 23 2011 03:46 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 03:38 Milkis wrote:
On July 23 2011 03:09 Jetsfan wrote:
Milkis is completely biased in this situation. Why people are taking what he says so seriously baffles me as it's quite obvious he has no idea whats going on.

Thank god there are other people who can translate for us


Let me know where I've been biased and I'll remedy it. Or, if you can't even read Korean, how could you even accuse my work of being biased?

I take accusations of "bias" in my translations seriously so please, provide proof when making these accusations.

Please also don't imply I have no idea what's going on. Just because I wasn't articulate on the show does not mean I'm not quite aware of what's going on.

Or if you disagree with my opinion, then you disagree with my opinion. However, calling me "biased" because of that is laughable since I make sure that I stay true to the source as possible.


They're just trolls milkis you're an awesome translater..


quote for extreme truth
Galaxy613
Profile Joined March 2011
United States148 Posts
July 22 2011 18:50 GMT
#6813
On July 23 2011 03:44 Airship wrote:
Milkis is offering a very valuable service for nothing in his own time, it's quite heartwarming. As for an EG statement, I don't see why they even need to make one. I suppose to announce the player acquisition?


I bet EG was already preparing to make a statement- After they actually signed Puma. This could've all been averted if after Puma talked to Mr. Lee, Puma gave Mr. Lee the business card and Mr. Lee talked to EG, or something that'll get the two together. It sounds like Mr. Lee assumed EG doesn't care and wouldn't want to talk about it so he just went to press about how he was disappointed that EG didn't want to talk about it before either side tried.

This is why you should contract even if you aren't paying anyone. It's creates formalities and FORCES the old team and the new team to talk to each other. Even if the old team never paid the player, it's an offical changing of teams for that player and this would've been avoided. I think I understand why Koreans are so "meh" about signing practice partners whom work for free, but they really need to get over that IMHO..
100,000 lightyears of awesome.
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
July 22 2011 18:53 GMT
#6814
On July 23 2011 02:38 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 02:36 happyness wrote:
Would it have made a difference if EG had contacted TSL first? I mean it's not like they were going to ask for their permission. TSL in no way owns Puma.

I think their's really no reason to be angry(except for EG lying). This situation benefits Puma ultimately, theres no reason to feel bad for TSL. It's there fault they didn't make a contract.


Yes. Maybe TSL would have bested the offer.


The contract hasn't been signed yet. Why can't they best the offer now?
powered by coffee, driven by hate.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
July 22 2011 18:57 GMT
#6815
which interview is everyone talking about with milkis/wheat/eg ? are there vods mp3s?
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 22 2011 18:57 GMT
#6816
On July 23 2011 03:53 -Frog- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 02:38 Torte de Lini wrote:
On July 23 2011 02:36 happyness wrote:
Would it have made a difference if EG had contacted TSL first? I mean it's not like they were going to ask for their permission. TSL in no way owns Puma.

I think their's really no reason to be angry(except for EG lying). This situation benefits Puma ultimately, theres no reason to feel bad for TSL. It's there fault they didn't make a contract.


Yes. Maybe TSL would have bested the offer.


The contract hasn't been signed yet. Why can't they best the offer now?

I think Puma has already burnt his bridges. Also, TSL is a little strapped for cash right now and I doubt they can better or even match EG's offer.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 22 2011 18:58 GMT
#6817
On July 23 2011 03:53 -Frog- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 02:38 Torte de Lini wrote:
On July 23 2011 02:36 happyness wrote:
Would it have made a difference if EG had contacted TSL first? I mean it's not like they were going to ask for their permission. TSL in no way owns Puma.

I think their's really no reason to be angry(except for EG lying). This situation benefits Puma ultimately, theres no reason to feel bad for TSL. It's there fault they didn't make a contract.


Yes. Maybe TSL would have bested the offer.


The contract hasn't been signed yet. Why can't they best the offer now?



They won't because they don't want a player who is already resigned to playing for them.
Grimsong
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
July 22 2011 19:02 GMT
#6818
On July 23 2011 03:58 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 03:53 -Frog- wrote:
On July 23 2011 02:38 Torte de Lini wrote:
On July 23 2011 02:36 happyness wrote:
Would it have made a difference if EG had contacted TSL first? I mean it's not like they were going to ask for their permission. TSL in no way owns Puma.

I think their's really no reason to be angry(except for EG lying). This situation benefits Puma ultimately, theres no reason to feel bad for TSL. It's there fault they didn't make a contract.


Yes. Maybe TSL would have bested the offer.


The contract hasn't been signed yet. Why can't they best the offer now?



They won't because they don't want a player who is already resigned to playing for them.


So then why does it even MATTER whether TSL had the chance or not to offer a contract (which by the way they had the opportunity to counter the offer and nothing came of it)

Puma made a choice. Play with EG, get a guaranteed contract, make some money. If TSL is strapped for cash, that's TSL's problem. Obviously TSL hasn't exactly been doing a great job retaining their players, so why should Puma be subject to staying there just because its the "Korean" way?

Closed book on this argument. If TSL wanted to offer a contract they could have (and may have). If they don't want to, then they've also made a choice (kinda like Puma did).

SeigO
Profile Joined March 2011
United States11 Posts
July 22 2011 19:06 GMT
#6819
Regarding Milkis being biased~

I'm not very aware of who Milkis is/his past works. But in this entire situation I thought Milkis was affiliated with TSL at first. His tweets and posts felt very accusatory like he was taking everything that TSL said as a fact while trying to vilify EG.

Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
July 22 2011 19:07 GMT
#6820
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 23 2011 03:38 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 03:09 Jetsfan wrote:
Milkis is completely biased in this situation. Why people are taking what he says so seriously baffles me as it's quite obvious he has no idea whats going on.

Thank god there are other people who can translate for us


Let me know where I've been biased and I'll remedy it. Or, if you can't even read Korean, how could you even accuse my work of being biased?

I take accusations of "bias" in my translations seriously so please, provide proof when making these accusations.

Please also don't imply I have no idea what's going on. Just because I wasn't articulate on the show does not mean I'm not quite aware of what's going on.

Or if you disagree with my opinion, then you disagree with my opinion. However, calling me "biased" because of that is laughable since I make sure that I stay true to the source as possible.



Attacking Milkis because he translated news/a perspective that EG didn't want to spread is not ever appropriate. Its not like he was maliciously mistranslating something to put EG in a bad light, it was the only news that the world HAD on this issue. If EG had released a statement, we could have read that alongside with the translation. Don't kill the messenger.
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