EPTPuma leaves TSL for EG - Page 170
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xBlest
United States52 Posts
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bre1010
71 Posts
You were supposed to destroy the Idra, not join him! But seriously, I wish the best for all parties involved. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:10 Walls wrote: See, koreans don't like it, respectful foreigners don't like it, this is a shameful act done by a lesser-but-richer-team Coach lee is a nice old timer who has been around for ever, everyone knows him and he doesnt treat his players badly, this was purely money, team EG is trying to monopolize e-sports. LoL. Team EG isn'y monopolizing e-sports. They just went and signed a very good player, who obviously made the CHOICE that he WANTED to LEAVE his current team in order to PLAY for the TEAM that he WANTS to, whether his priorities are to play ELSEWHERE or to make more MONEY. That's HIS perogative. Good for PUMA to have the CHOICE and ABILITY to do what he WANTS as opposed to having to go through a messy contract dispure, or having a governing KESPA-like body hinder him. | ||
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archangel2
76 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:11 jiveturkey wrote: It's unethical from your point of view, and ethical from other people's perspective. That does not mean that it is unethical. It is what it is. The transaction took place, and two parties benefit and one party loses out. That is the fact of the matter, and all of your moral issues with it are completely opinion, and that is all. And I think it's obvious that law is completely irrelevant to morality, I don't think many people would disagree with that. Are you kidding? So much of law stems from morality. How would you write laws without a prior concept of what's right and wrong? Why is there a law against murder? Theft? Etc. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:12 xBlest wrote: EG just prob made him a better offer, wonder if TSL made him a counter offer but im sure EG has a lot more money backing there team up than TSL does but I might be completely wrong on that. any way Puma is a beast regardless of his team. Is he going to be staying at the EG team house? this is after they countered the counter-offer that was offered? correct? | ||
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natey-nate
United States20 Posts
On July 22 2011 00:48 JinDesu wrote: And can you explain how? Or rather, why is this good for the SC scene over-all compared to FXOFou and OGS-TL (which korean netizens seem to be approving of?) FXO acquiring Fou was a mutual agreement between the teams, same with OGS-TL. I think people are just scared because this seems to be a conflict between Western and Korean teams as opposed to those other deals which were more collaborative. | ||
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Carush
United States356 Posts
probably money, but if you don't like it get used to it money makes the world go round | ||
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Walls
United States172 Posts
"Yes and?" what, he's trying to say that a team with a lower skill level should not try to bipass the coaches and go directly talk to the player and buy them out, not even if their skill level was higher they still should not have done it, | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:14 natey-nate wrote: FXO acquiring Fou was a mutual agreement between the teams, same with OGS-TL. I think people are just scared because this seems to be a conflict between Western and Korean teams as opposed to those other deals which were more collaborative. Well yes - I'm saying why is buying out a player from behind a team back better than working with the team instead? | ||
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Walls
United States172 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:14 Carush wrote: eg was willing to give something to puma that he wasn't getting from tsl probably money, but if you don't like it get used to it money makes the world go round EG could have and should have done that by talking to coach lee, not to the player... that is how its done normally with other sports. | ||
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trucane
United States553 Posts
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SoLaR[i.C]
United States2969 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:13 Grimsong wrote: LoL. Team EG isn'y monopolizing e-sports. They just went and signed a very good player, who obviously made the CHOICE that he WANTED to LEAVE his current team in order to PLAY for the TEAM that he WANTS to, whether his priorities are to play ELSEWHERE or to make more MONEY. That's HIS perogative. Good for PUMA to have the CHOICE and ABILITY to do what he WANTS as opposed to having to go through a messy contract dispure, or having a governing KESPA-like body hinder him. I can get on board with this post. | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
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dOofuS
United States342 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:11 Cheshyr wrote: Congrats! SC2 has gotten to the point that the team managers are acting like other sports teams! That's progress. As for the people complaining about EG buying up good players... that's the result of progress. FXO did the same thing, as did many other teams. There is more money on the scene, so the smaller teams can't afford to monopolize the best players. And more money means SC2 is successfully growing into a legitimate sport. Eventually, we'll see a regulatory commitee put limits on team spending budgets and the like, just like other sports. Welcome to the evolution of e-sports... it's what we all wanted. Some people didn't think through all the implications of this success, and they're the vocal minority causing all the ruckus. I agree mostly. However, as Starcraft 2 is more of a global sport, with multiple leagues, how will a regulatory commitee be created that all leagues and teams will adhere to? | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:15 Walls wrote: EG could have and should have done that by talking to coach lee, not to the player... that is how its done normally with other sports. I absolutely disagree. Coach Lee doesn't own Puma. Only when a contract mandates you to go through management should you go through managedment. the rest of the time you should treat the player like he's a human being and can make his own decisions. | ||
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HorsemasterK
United States606 Posts
rly? o.o | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:14 Walls wrote: "Yes and?" what, he's trying to say that a team with a lower skill level should not try to bipass the coaches and go directly talk to the player and buy them out, not even if their skill level was higher they still should not have done it, How else would they go about possibly recruiting him? He does not have an agent and I trust the management would be smart enough to not even let the two communicate if it were up to them. | ||
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Cheshyr
United States78 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:11 JinDesu wrote: I'm sure FXO worked with the management for what they did. Don't lump them in like that. I'm sure Puma didn't just send the TSL management a text message saying "I'm gone". Just because we're not privy to the conversation and negotiation doesn't mean it didn't happen. Point of contact shouldn't decide whether a negotiation is legit or underhanded. Offering players a better deal happens, and it's good for the players, community, and sport. It means we're growing. We should stop throwing a hissy fit every time something happens we don't like or understand. It really drags down the image of SC2 as a legit sport. | ||
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poorbeggarman
139 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:15 Walls wrote: EG could have and should have done that by talking to coach lee, not to the player... that is how its done normally with other sports. What would Coach Lee have talked to EG about anyway? | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:14 Walls wrote: "Yes and?" what, he's trying to say that a team with a lower skill level should not try to bipass the coaches and go directly talk to the player and buy them out, not even if their skill level was higher they still should not have done it, Your whole argument is that team EG sucks and therefore shouldn't have the right to buy better players to fix that. That's bizarre, but whatever. Others' arguments are based on some Asian moral system. A moral system that we in North America don't share. Is PuMa some kind of Judas to the Korean team? Probably. That doesn't mean EG, a North American team, did anything wrong (unless you're looking at it from your point of view, ie bad teams shouldn't get good players). | ||
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