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On July 21 2011 23:42 stormchaser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 23:39 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 23:37 stormchaser wrote:On July 21 2011 23:35 Sandro wrote:On July 21 2011 23:33 stormchaser wrote:On July 21 2011 23:30 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
I'm not surprised. Its EG. Evil as hell, way to go behind the team's back. I don't understand why people can't just wish Puma the best of luck for his decision. So many people have to put a negative spin on change. He was probably paid shit if he accepted this deal with EG, c'mon guys, I'm sure he's happier than ever now. Nobody is shitting on Puma, just EG, and until we get their side of the story, they deserve it. No they don't. They did not break ANY RULES whatsoever, in the law, in ethics, none. They had talks with the player and Puma obviously has faith in EG, so he accepted. No one forced him and I'm sure he received many other deals as well. Stop pretending EG is some evil corporation, I don't understand the hate. Exactly.. Why should EG go and talk to TSL management. Puma can tell them he's leaving himself.. Lmao I'm open to hearing why EG should converse with TSL management.. but amongst the thousand or so posts condemning EG the only reason I've heard is that it's respectful and it saves their feelings from getting hurt. Agreed. Why should they. Do I see a wall of rules this team must follow? Nope. Exactly. If I were a team manager, I'd be stealing as many koreans and taking them over the west as possible. They are good at the game, why would any smart manager not do this? It's good for all involved. If TSL is mad about the decision, they shold've taken care of such an AAA player better.
cus youll be ruining esports and wont have any fans so you can go sit in a corner with your team
edit: besides i think eg will never get the most out of puma as a player(helping him reach his top skill level in the game)
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On July 21 2011 23:45 Rinrun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 23:42 tooPrime wrote:On July 21 2011 23:40 Rinrun wrote:On July 21 2011 23:35 tooPrime wrote:
Okay, TL is now worse than Cleveland Cavalier fans. Shameful day. This is just one thread, it doesn't represent the entire site. What's wrong with people looking for loyalty... What's wrong with people leaving a crappy team that doesn't pay them what they deserve, and then bad mouths them in the media when they do? Now how can you be sure that he was paid inadequately? I'd like to see some sources. Also on the topic of "badmouthing" that happened after the fact, not before.
Well obviously Puma believed he was being paid inadequately and that's all we need
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I imagine the EG house :
Puma vs everyone : 100% winrate
Everyone skill will rise, Puma skill will degrade.
Puma vs Idra : we don't know because idra bmed puma to no end after their 2 or 3 first lost practice games so they don't practice together anymore.
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On July 21 2011 23:40 Grimsong wrote:
But the SC2 scene isn't regulated the same way major sports leagues are. It's simply not that advanced, and honestly everyone involved with SC2 should be hoping it never is. You can't tamper within the confines of the league. IE another Organization in the league can't contact a player on another team in regards to something like this. But nothing is stopping these guys from talking to other avenues outside of that league. Until SC2 becomes a league, and a professional players union is created to protect the players still in that environment, you can't have that type of regulation, especially in an INTERNATIONAL scene.
This. It's already been repeated several times that the treatment of Korean players is questionable at best in certain situations. I certainly can't fault them for bailing and going somewhere better when given the opportunity. In fact, I think it's the best thing for eSports to ensure that these guys have a decent standard of living (physically, emotionally, and financially). Just because holy Korea lost out on this deal is no reason to say its inherently evil.
And the guy I'm quoting is spot on about why the traditional league mentalities are A) stupid and B) do not apply here. The kid found a new job and didn't broadcast it to his boss. Big deal.
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How is Puma going to be practicing now? Is he still going to be in the TSL team house? Living on his own? EG is said to pay him money for foreign tournaments, so this means he will still be in korea?
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NA teams should just buy out korean teams rather then pick and choosing players with recent good results. It's very unfair to the coaches and players who have trained them. I don't understand how NA teams justify paying a salary for sub par NA players when there are whole teams of top level players who are unsupported. From the outside EG seems to be a poorly managed team and this celebrity draft is just another bad decision.
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On July 21 2011 23:45 Rinrun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 23:42 tooPrime wrote:On July 21 2011 23:40 Rinrun wrote:On July 21 2011 23:35 tooPrime wrote:
Okay, TL is now worse than Cleveland Cavalier fans. Shameful day. This is just one thread, it doesn't represent the entire site. What's wrong with people looking for loyalty... What's wrong with people leaving a crappy team that doesn't pay them what they deserve, and then bad mouths them in the media when they do? Now how can you be sure that he was paid inadequately? I'd like to see some sources. Also on the topic of "badmouthing" that happened after the fact, not before.
I believe on Fruitdealer and Trickster had salaries and no one else. Also if you reread my post I said that they are bad mouthing Puma and EG right now my calling this out when they really should have just given Puma a contract a long time ago.
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On July 21 2011 23:46 rockon1215 wrote:
How is Puma going to be practicing now? Is he still going to be in the TSL team house? Living on his own? EG is said to pay him money for foreign tournaments, so this means he will still be in korea?
i would think EG team house but we just have to wait for a EG statement
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Is this the same Coach Lee that shit all over IdrA in that infamous cast with Tasteless?
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On July 21 2011 23:46 MrCon wrote:
Puma vs Idra : we don't know because idra bmed puma to no end after their 2 or 3 first lost practice games so they don't practice together anymore.
Wow you are funny.
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On July 21 2011 23:47 Slaptoast wrote:
NA teams should just buy out korean teams rather then pick and choosing players with recent good results. It's very unfair to the coaches and players who have trained them. I don't understand how NA teams justify paying a salary for sub par NA players when there are whole teams of top level players who are unsupported. From the outside EG seems to be a poorly managed team and this celebrity draft is just another bad decision.
agreed, like the FXO move, that was a good business move
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On July 21 2011 23:38 Nego wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote:
adding that "There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this"
How is that stealing? got to go where the money is at, now EG is really going to be the best team outside korea great move.
Adding 1 great player doesn't make the team great.
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You gotta be good to get those sponsors...
EG is at the top in everything it does in the NA and some players around the globe. With the likes of Grubby (WC3), Idra, EG's Counter-strike squad, and Jwong they have the best players NA can offer and now they're investing in a foreign talent that they scouted. EG wants the best for its organization and TSL couldn't hold onto Puma, not a big deal and it happens all the time, even in e-Sports.
Delpan was recently recruited by SK and SK just told him to join basically without contacting fnatic and of course Delpan just moved on over to play with the world's best players (f0rest, Get_Right, face, Robban). Everyone slammed SK for what they did but in the end it was forgiven because everyone forgot about it because SK plays so well...it's all about the results.
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On July 21 2011 23:49 DeSam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 23:47 Slaptoast wrote:
NA teams should just buy out korean teams rather then pick and choosing players with recent good results. It's very unfair to the coaches and players who have trained them. I don't understand how NA teams justify paying a salary for sub par NA players when there are whole teams of top level players who are unsupported. From the outside EG seems to be a poorly managed team and this celebrity draft is just another bad decision.
agreed, like the FXO move, that was a good business move
This is nothing like FXO
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On July 21 2011 23:46 MrCon wrote:
I imagine the EG house :
Puma vs everyone : 100% winrate
Everyone skill will rise, Puma skill will degrade.
Puma vs Idra : we don't know because idra bmed puma to no end after their 2 or 3 first lost practice games so they don't practice together anymore.
its practice i highly doubt idra BMs practice partners or teammates, and even if he does who cares its not like BM even affects you at all.
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On July 21 2011 23:45 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 23:45 Rinrun wrote:On July 21 2011 23:42 tooPrime wrote:On July 21 2011 23:40 Rinrun wrote:On July 21 2011 23:35 tooPrime wrote:
Okay, TL is now worse than Cleveland Cavalier fans. Shameful day. This is just one thread, it doesn't represent the entire site. What's wrong with people looking for loyalty... What's wrong with people leaving a crappy team that doesn't pay them what they deserve, and then bad mouths them in the media when they do? Now how can you be sure that he was paid inadequately? I'd like to see some sources. Also on the topic of "badmouthing" that happened after the fact, not before. Well obviously Puma believed he was being paid inadequately and that's all we need
He just won 50k thanks to TSL, I don't know if he has a salary or not but this prize money is still here because TSL invested in him. It's not a salary but can be considered as a salary. Hope he'll at least pay TSL for plane ticket + money invested to send him to NASL...
Now in a few months he'll have no chance to win anything because he'll lose too much in skill practicing in USA, so I hope his salary worth it.
I'm conflicted about this. One one hand it's good for Puma (at least in the short run), and it's good for him to have more stability (I think).
On the other hand, it seems to be a real dick move from EG (but I'll wait for more details to judge)
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Congrats to EG for picking up Puma!
Congrats to Puma for making the switch over obviously this benefited him more than staying on TSL or he wouldn't have made the move.
It sucks that everyone is leaving TSL but maybe TSL needs to step back and re think the way they are running things if they keep losing players.
I'm still quite curious to see what EG has to say on this though.
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On July 21 2011 23:47 tooPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 23:45 Rinrun wrote:On July 21 2011 23:42 tooPrime wrote:On July 21 2011 23:40 Rinrun wrote:On July 21 2011 23:35 tooPrime wrote:
Okay, TL is now worse than Cleveland Cavalier fans. Shameful day. This is just one thread, it doesn't represent the entire site. What's wrong with people looking for loyalty... What's wrong with people leaving a crappy team that doesn't pay them what they deserve, and then bad mouths them in the media when they do? Now how can you be sure that he was paid inadequately? I'd like to see some sources. Also on the topic of "badmouthing" that happened after the fact, not before. I believe on Fruitdealer and Trickster had salaries and no one else. Also if you reread my post I said that they are bad mouthing Puma and EG right now my calling this out when they really should have just given Puma a contract a long time ago.
You believe, that's not concrete. Also, bad mouthing right now- did they bad mouth him before or after he left? As I have said earlier in this thread, I want some concrete evidence to whether puma was or was not under contract with TSL.
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On July 21 2011 23:46 MrCon wrote:
I imagine the EG house :
Puma vs everyone : 100% winrate
Everyone skill will rise, Puma skill will degrade.
Puma vs Idra : we don't know because idra bmed puma to no end after their 2 or 3 first lost practice games so they don't practice together anymore.
Weren't they playing together in Estro? IdrA said after MLG that he wasn't surprised that PuMa was doing well and that he considered him pretty good, don't they're just gonna be mortal enemies off the get-go.
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