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moonmeh
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)105 Posts
July 21 2011 13:56 GMT
#2921
On July 21 2011 22:53 Enigma614 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:48 Xiaon wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:47 Enigma614 wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:30 Xiaon wrote:
팀원을 비롯한 많은분들과 그렇게 많은고민을하고햇는대도 이렇게.......... .................
from pumas twitter
someone translate


And so a lot of issues, including the contributions from the whole team, and this metropolitan haetneun

Google is your friend... try it =/

that makes n osense

thats not what it said anyway



http://translate.google.com

try it


Including the contributions from team members and so many anxieties and so .......... metropolitan haetneun .................

Bwahhahahahahhahahhah what? That does not explain anything.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
July 21 2011 13:56 GMT
#2922
They recruited a player who just won 50k, not sure his head was clear. At least, Puma will be able to fund the EG house :D
Xiaon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States245 Posts
July 21 2011 13:56 GMT
#2923
On July 21 2011 22:56 lol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:53 Enigma614 wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:48 Xiaon wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:47 Enigma614 wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:30 Xiaon wrote:
팀원을 비롯한 많은분들과 그렇게 많은고민을하고햇는대도 이렇게.......... .................
from pumas twitter
someone translate


And so a lot of issues, including the contributions from the whole team, and this metropolitan haetneun

Google is your friend... try it =/

that makes n osense

thats not what it said anyway



http://translate.google.com

try it

Yeah because Google Translate is so famous for being so accurate when translating, especially korean.

gee gee
idra demuslim incontrol lzgamer machine strife cro axslav, oh and INKAAAA
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
July 21 2011 13:56 GMT
#2924
I am already looking forward to the damage control that EG will do on Live on 3.
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
Enigma614
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden16 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 13:58:44
July 21 2011 13:57 GMT
#2925
On July 21 2011 22:53 moonmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:47 Enigma614 wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:30 Xiaon wrote:
팀원을 비롯한 많은분들과 그렇게 많은고민을하고햇는대도 이렇게.......... .................
from pumas twitter
someone translate


And so a lot of issues, including the contributions from the whole team, and this metropolitan haetneun

Google is your friend... try it =/


Dude that made no sense what so ever

Actual translation

팀원을 비롯한 많은분들과 그렇게 많은고민을하고햇는대도 이렇게.......... .................

I spoke with many people including my teamates and thought/pondered about it a lot and yet.....


Thanks for clarifying.... mind it be after the fact... sorry for my Korean translation as I have never studied it, but was not to lazy to attempt to find the answer unlike many in the internet world
Many miss the Sun waiting on the storm.....
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 21 2011 13:57 GMT
#2926
On July 21 2011 22:55 kawaiiryuko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:48 GreEny K wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:42 chaokel wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:37 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I had 0 respect for EG before and now I think it's in the negatives... To go past a team manager and to speak directly to the player is on a new level of low. I at least had a little respect for SirScoots (and only him) but I can't believe he would do that.


I have to agree with this.

Regardless of whether Puma actually talked to his couch and team about this, EG should not of been approaching Puma directly, this is a slap in the face to the team management and is player poaching.

I can't blame Puma at all for wanting to join EG, infact it makes a lot of sense for more koreans to be partnering up with international teams as there is a lot more money and fans for them to be making internationally.


And I think this kind of action bring a bad rep to foreign teams. Koreans will lose respect for us if our teams are taking their players in such shameful ways.



The question is, will Korean teams be more hesitant to send players to our competitions because of this? This actually makes me think of North Korean defectors This is why any "talent" that leaves the DPRK comes with a military escort to ensure that they don't defect. Will this be the new trend in eSports? The manager travels with their players to ensure no poaching?

Without a league to enforce some sort of anti-tampering rules (i.e. in NFL, NBA, MLB), sadly, there's nothing to be done about situations like this. This even happens in the professional world - a lot of non-competes get broken and employees get poached even while they are "under contract."



That's exactly what should/ will happen. If I were a coach, I would travel with them and make sure to monitor their activity with other team management.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Xiaon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States245 Posts
July 21 2011 13:57 GMT
#2927
On July 21 2011 22:56 MrCon wrote:
They recruited a player who just won 50k, not sure his head was clear. At least, Puma will be able to fund the EG house :D


What?
He accepted after talking it over with friend and teammates.
Do you.. know what your talking about?

Source: 팀원을 비롯한 많은분들과 그렇게 많은고민을하고햇는대도 이렇게.......... ................. (Pumas twitter)
idra demuslim incontrol lzgamer machine strife cro axslav, oh and INKAAAA
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 13:58:18
July 21 2011 13:57 GMT
#2928
On July 21 2011 22:56 moonmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:53 Enigma614 wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:48 Xiaon wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:47 Enigma614 wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:30 Xiaon wrote:
팀원을 비롯한 많은분들과 그렇게 많은고민을하고햇는대도 이렇게.......... .................
from pumas twitter
someone translate


And so a lot of issues, including the contributions from the whole team, and this metropolitan haetneun

Google is your friend... try it =/

that makes n osense

thats not what it said anyway



http://translate.google.com

try it


Including the contributions from team members and so many anxieties and so .......... metropolitan haetneun .................

Bwahhahahahahhahahhah what? That does not explain anything.

http://deck.ly/~8BBIz
Wooju Lee

RT @TSLpuma: It's a decision I made after I have debating over this with many people including my teammates, and yet things still happen like this........
.................
IceSlipper
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia1028 Posts
July 21 2011 13:57 GMT
#2929
On July 21 2011 22:53 Enigma614 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:48 Xiaon wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:47 Enigma614 wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:30 Xiaon wrote:
팀원을 비롯한 많은분들과 그렇게 많은고민을하고햇는대도 이렇게.......... .................
from pumas twitter
someone translate


And so a lot of issues, including the contributions from the whole team, and this metropolitan haetneun

Google is your friend... try it =/

that makes n osense

thats not what it said anyway



http://translate.google.com

try it

not sure if srs

User was warned for this post
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
July 21 2011 13:57 GMT
#2930
On July 21 2011 22:49 Proko wrote:
Dear TSL,

If you feel like Puma was stolen, try paying him what he's worth. Also make a team where good players actually want to play. Seriously, nobody wants to stay on your team.

Love, kisses, and giggles,

Fruit Dealer, Trickster, Puma, Rain and Proko.

P.S. Sangho will probably leave soon too.


Hehehehe, good point.
Bora Pain minha porra!
AgentV
Profile Joined November 2010
United States159 Posts
July 21 2011 13:58 GMT
#2931
Maybe EG is going to acquire TSL next. EG Korea brand sounds awesome! =))
Don Rag U
slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 21 2011 13:58 GMT
#2932
On July 21 2011 22:52 DharmaTurtle wrote:
Very dirty of EG to do this without TSL's knowledge. Kinda like if the Bulls were to swoop in and steal Lebron James without going through the coaches and administration. Even if Lebron gets a higher salary, you still want to let the Heat know what's up.


In professional sports like the NBA managers make decisions regarded trades and buyouts if the players are still under a contract. If the player is a free agent, then they can talk to whoever they want. In E-sports, there doesn't been to any umbrella organization in NA, or anything that links NA to KR. Players can pretty much do what the please.

Anyways, TSL seems to be falling apart right now. As for EG, hopefully Puma can teach them some good practice regiments so Idra isn't the only one advancing in tournaments.
blah blah blah...
Xiaon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States245 Posts
July 21 2011 13:59 GMT
#2933
On July 21 2011 22:58 AgentV wrote:
Maybe EG is going to acquire TSL next. EG Korea brand sounds awesome! =))

lolololol
idra demuslim incontrol lzgamer machine strife cro axslav, oh and INKAAAA
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
July 21 2011 13:59 GMT
#2934
This is bad for TSL. First Rain, then Trickster, then FruitDealer and now PuMa. I think that unless they get some new talent soon, TSL might end up either disbanding entirely or being consumed by another progaming team at this rate.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 21 2011 13:59 GMT
#2935
On July 21 2011 22:58 AgentV wrote:
Maybe EG is going to acquire TSL next. EG Korea brand sounds awesome! =))


Pretty sure Clide would quit SC2 before being bought by EG.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 21 2011 13:59 GMT
#2936
On July 21 2011 22:57 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:55 kawaiiryuko wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:48 GreEny K wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:42 chaokel wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:37 GreEny K wrote:
Wow, I had 0 respect for EG before and now I think it's in the negatives... To go past a team manager and to speak directly to the player is on a new level of low. I at least had a little respect for SirScoots (and only him) but I can't believe he would do that.


I have to agree with this.

Regardless of whether Puma actually talked to his couch and team about this, EG should not of been approaching Puma directly, this is a slap in the face to the team management and is player poaching.

I can't blame Puma at all for wanting to join EG, infact it makes a lot of sense for more koreans to be partnering up with international teams as there is a lot more money and fans for them to be making internationally.


And I think this kind of action bring a bad rep to foreign teams. Koreans will lose respect for us if our teams are taking their players in such shameful ways.



The question is, will Korean teams be more hesitant to send players to our competitions because of this? This actually makes me think of North Korean defectors This is why any "talent" that leaves the DPRK comes with a military escort to ensure that they don't defect. Will this be the new trend in eSports? The manager travels with their players to ensure no poaching?

Without a league to enforce some sort of anti-tampering rules (i.e. in NFL, NBA, MLB), sadly, there's nothing to be done about situations like this. This even happens in the professional world - a lot of non-competes get broken and employees get poached even while they are "under contract."



That's exactly what should/ will happen. If I were a coach, I would travel with them and make sure to monitor their activity with other team management.


Well you might see more guys like Sk.reis around when Koreans travel. I believe he helps most of the guys that go to Europe and is respected in Korea so I can picture teams going to guys like him and asking them to stick with the players.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
July 21 2011 13:59 GMT
#2937
On July 21 2011 22:58 AgentV wrote:
Maybe EG is going to acquire TSL next. EG Korea brand sounds awesome! =))


Highly doubt it.
There's no S in KT. :P
Whiteman103
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1070 Posts
July 21 2011 13:59 GMT
#2938
On July 21 2011 22:56 MrCon wrote:
They recruited a player who just won 50k, not sure his head was clear. At least, Puma will be able to fund the EG house :D


they started talking when he got into the RO4
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
July 21 2011 13:59 GMT
#2939
This gives my fantasy league a bit better standing since I still have alive who hasn't done anything.

On actual topic, I don't know about this, I feel more details need to be released. Whether or not Puma was still under a contract (since TSL is a team with salaried players). Obviously Puma can do what he wants with his life, but I feel there should have been some loyalty to his team.
the farm ends here
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
July 21 2011 13:59 GMT
#2940
On July 21 2011 22:53 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:50 Proko wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:48 Numy wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:46 DyEnasTy wrote:
I think thats a BS comment by TSL coach: "foreign teams stealing korean players". They make it sound like the world is a terrible plague that "stole the life" from their player. Wish him the best and move on. And why are people pissed at EG? They just got a powerhouse player, be happy.


Congrats EG, he will add alot of strength to your lineup.

oh and will he be living in the team house?


Picture you were the coach. Your young player goes overseas to compete in an event. He comes back and tells you he wants/thinking to leave the team for a foreign team. I imagine you would be outraged.



Then picture yourself offering him more money and perks than the foreign team did and him saying, "you're right, I really did want to stay on my team and play in my homeland."


You really don't get it do you. It's all well and fine that they can pay him more and that he left. It's just how it happened that caused this. I'm sure if TSL and Puma were spoken to then none of this drama would have happened. Please remove your fanboy blinds and actually think.

Anyway cool to see Puma at more events and best of luck to him.


You really don't get it do you? TSL could have kept him if they wanted and could afford it. they couldn't and they are mad so they are starting a shitstorm about it. Take off your villainy glasses and see it for what it is. TSL is falling apart and the coach doesn't like it. Starts whining publically. It's retarded to think that Scoots has to go and talk to TSL's coach to make an offer to one of his players, write your contracts better and pay the player what he's worth. One of the problems with Kespa was that it treated (and treats) players like cattle. Lucky, SC2 doesn't have that problem.
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