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Earawen
Profile Joined February 2011
France51 Posts
July 21 2011 13:18 GMT
#2761
yeah but I dont like the manner here. Esport is growing rly fast and I think we'll see some dirty things in the future with teams battling for players. Corruption is comming to esport.

And the "he'll be able to get to foreign tournament" excuse does not work I mean...Plz, come on. Kr teams got the money to send them...
nuMi22
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom165 Posts
July 21 2011 13:19 GMT
#2762
Oh my god this is fucking huge! SO good. Good luck EG.
Jaedong. That is all.
AnalThermometer
Profile Joined February 2011
Vatican City State334 Posts
July 21 2011 13:19 GMT
#2763
On July 21 2011 22:08 Xiaon wrote:
so
basically your saying that FD won 97k
and TSL paid their salaries with it

ok sure
it didnt go to FDs parents who ran a fruit stand or anything


so
basically your saying that FD is part of a team
and he just says "screw you i'm rich i owe you nothing"

ok sure
not like its documented plenty of players give money to their teams as well as their parents and themselves too or anything
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
July 21 2011 13:19 GMT
#2764
EG goes from being idra and friends to being puma and friends. :D
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
July 21 2011 13:19 GMT
#2765
On July 21 2011 22:17 Rinrun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:09 zolii wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:09 Fionn wrote:
So is there an actual source saying he had no contract? Not a random XP netizen spreading rumors. An actual legit source.

So is there an actual source saying he had a contract? Not a random XP netizen spreading rumors. An actual legit source

That's a really constructive post there. He just wanted to see if there was a source that relates to the contract. I too would like to see that- but yeah, it seems like the coach just cut the cord with him and let him go. I see the word released, which leads me to believe that he did have a contract- but then again, I want something concrete.


TSL should scan the contract and post it on the internet. that would be pretty awesome lol
rivera
Profile Joined October 2010
Chile83 Posts
July 21 2011 13:19 GMT
#2766
sc2 teams should work like soccer teams -> EG should BUY Puma from TSL
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
July 21 2011 13:19 GMT
#2767
So I'm assuming that he'll be leaving korea to play in foreign tournaments from now on? And whats with all the speculation here people, lets wait until we hear a little bit more. Who knows what really happened, and the actual situation that puma was in over there. If what the tsl coach is saying is 100% correct than thats pretty lame by eg, however I eagerly await to here what they say.
I'm a gooner.
brichals
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany50 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 13:20:15
July 21 2011 13:19 GMT
#2768
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 21 2011 22:08 bonifaceviii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:05 Xiaon wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:05 Fionn wrote:
How the hell was Puma a "free agent" and playing for TSL? Did he have some sort of handshake agreement with Lee? TSL pays their players salaries. To do that, there would actually need to be a contract. Was TSL just paying Puma under the table? It just doesn't make much sense. The guy was plugging TSL and saying how the NASL victory would be so great for the team; that doesn't sound like a free agent to me at all.



Basically yeah, he played for TSL at the time on their 'b team' of sorts, without cntract.
So Korean prop houses pay their b teamers but don't have legal contracts with them?

LOL, why haven't we seen this kind of thing before then? No contract, no problem.

I repeat: NO CONTRACT, NO PROBLEM.


I think it might be considered like no fixed contract. This issue came up with European soccer law about 20 years ago, some Dutch guy can't remember his name but he changed how the law works in Europe. Basically you sign a player for 2 years(for example), after 2 years you can still keep paying them to play for you but another team can sign him on a free contract. During the initial 2 years an opposing organisation would have to pay a transfer fee. They had to make it like this otherwise people could be abused (like the Dutch player was being) where a team would not play them or give them updated contracts but demanded unrealistic transfers to lose them.

EDIT: just found it, it's the Bosman ruling. (not Dutch, Belgian)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosman_ruling

SC2 may need something like this but I am guessing that it is not possible at the moment. eSports is at a stage of being an amateur occupation with prize money much like athletics etc. I mean, EG aren't providing pensions and healthcare plans to their players I assume.

Heeeeerre come the BANELINGS!
Telebear
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom107 Posts
July 21 2011 13:20 GMT
#2769
On July 21 2011 22:12 Huggerz wrote:
I hope this does not start a trend of foreign companies going straight to Korean players and buying them out, will only degenerate business credibility of e-sports imo



Buying out players and teams is a practice of almost every other sport in the world, modern football is all about buying up players from lesser teams and it's literally the biggest and most business friendly sport in the world!

So no it wont degenerate the business credibility at all!
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
July 21 2011 13:20 GMT
#2770
On July 21 2011 22:18 cronaldo5909 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:15 Telefonmann wrote:
OH my GOD

FXO buying fOu
EG buying Puma...

YOu smell something coming up .... ?


HELL YEAH !...its getting INTERNATIONAL...

and i LOVE it



FXO didnt buy fOu

have your facts right.


Ummm what>?
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Vandeam
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway28 Posts
July 21 2011 13:20 GMT
#2771
F5 F5 F5 !

User was warned for this post
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
July 21 2011 13:20 GMT
#2772
Lol @ US/Korea disconnect on who they talk to :p
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Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
July 21 2011 13:20 GMT
#2773
On July 21 2011 22:19 AnalThermometer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:08 Xiaon wrote:
so
basically your saying that FD won 97k
and TSL paid their salaries with it

ok sure
it didnt go to FDs parents who ran a fruit stand or anything


so
basically your saying that FD is part of a team
and he just says "screw you i'm rich i owe you nothing"

ok sure
not like its documented plenty of players give money to their teams as well as their parents and themselves too or anything


I have yet to heard of a team that even takes a cut from player winnings. Teams don't finance themselves with prize money, ever.
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
Grimsong
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
July 21 2011 13:21 GMT
#2774
Puma's taking his talents to EG.
LastLordofCastamere
Profile Joined February 2011
288 Posts
July 21 2011 13:21 GMT
#2775
On July 21 2011 22:12 Yew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:07 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:02 Yew wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:59 slimbo1 wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:53 Mauldo wrote:
1) Puma kicks ass at NASL.

2) EG approaches him directly about a contract with them to play on their team.

3) Puma wants to switch to EG, tells his coach.

4) His coach finally gives in, giving in to what his player wanted.

The only part I can seriously see you guys finding bad is that EG approached Puma directly, and they didn't approach his coach instead. That's the only part. Every other step in this series of events was based off of what Puma wanted. Are you really going to criticize EG for something that Puma wanted to do?

That's like criticizing EG for Tyler wanting to sign with them (lulz). What fault is it of EG's? Puma (or Tyler) could have said no. In fact, if Puma had this foolhardy sense of "respect" and "honor" that you guys are trying to apply to EG, he would have laughed at EG and stayed with TSL.

Once again, the SC2 community that is apparently so "good" and "friendly" and "totally not in every stream chat shitting on people for no reason" is totally being "judgmental" and "rushing to shit on people with knowing or understanding the facts" and "shitting themselves because a Korean might just be able to play at more foreigner events."

Please. You guys repeatedly cry foul of things killing ESPORTS, (seriously so, not joking around, I'm sure), yet you guys are doing it right here. Every maker of Warp Prism that you burn to the ground before hearing his side of it (and only taking the word of some retarded Reddittor who managed a "who is" search but no other real research as gospel) and every 130+ page thread that we blow up without, you know, hearing how Puma thinks of the situation is what is showing the community for what it really is.

But, you know. This is all good as long as we get to shit on Puma, who obviously can't think in his best interests without him being a traitor to TSL, and EG, because they're the big bad corporation that broke of State of the Game.

Come on guys. Get serious.



Indeed!

If the Player Puma likes a new Team and he likes EG, why shouldn't he do so?

And oh my god. There's money involved. WTF.

He wants money lol, that's all it is. Do you REALLY think he wants to go to EG because of the practice partners lmao? He has way better players to play with on his team and from other teams. He wants to make "easy money" by going to foreign tournaments, just like all the other koreans.



What's so wrong about Puma wanting money?

There's nothing wrong with it, but obviously he doesn't care as much about getting better than he does about money.


Isn't Puma like a god in practice?

Flash's preferred practice partner and all ...

"And who are you", the proud lord said "That I must bow so low?"
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 21 2011 13:21 GMT
#2776
On July 21 2011 22:12 Xiaon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:09 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:03 Loodah wrote:


Also, we know that the TSL coach is pretty angry about this - that is enough to know that there was a problem with this. TSL and their coach knows a lot more about this deal than you, and they are pissed - are you gonna use that same line on them?


Let me ask you something.

You're coaching a struggling team. You have 1 star player who's your ace.

He decides to chuck up his deuces, because you were approached by a team that shows an interest in him.

Are you seriously going to be all like "Oh ok, have a great time Player!"

No, you're going to get pissed regardless of the situation.

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe - just maybe - TSL's coach is directing his frustration with himself at EG because it's an easier target than blaming himself for putting TSL in this position?


why didnt the coaches contracct him?


If TSL didn't contract them, it's 100% their fault. Some teams may choose not to contract b-teamers because if the b-teamers start performing poorly there's no obligation to hold onto them. If that's the case, TSL can't complain - they have the right to drop the B-teamers at any time... the B-teamers should be able to leave.
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
July 21 2011 13:22 GMT
#2777
On July 21 2011 22:20 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:18 cronaldo5909 wrote:
On July 21 2011 22:15 Telefonmann wrote:
OH my GOD

FXO buying fOu
EG buying Puma...

YOu smell something coming up .... ?


HELL YEAH !...its getting INTERNATIONAL...

and i LOVE it



FXO didnt buy fOu

have your facts right.


Ummm what>?


Its Team Liquid what do you expect, Mr Boss?
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 13:23:22
July 21 2011 13:22 GMT
#2778
On July 21 2011 22:18 cronaldo5909 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 22:15 Telefonmann wrote:
OH my GOD

FXO buying fOu
EG buying Puma...

YOu smell something coming up .... ?


HELL YEAH !...its getting INTERNATIONAL...

and i LOVE it



FXO didnt buy fOu

have your facts right.


...

...

...

Yes. They did...

It's now FXO's Korean division.
rivera
Profile Joined October 2010
Chile83 Posts
July 21 2011 13:22 GMT
#2779
ok I read some more on the last posts... I agree, if there was no contract then TSL just made a huge mistake and what EG did is OK
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
July 21 2011 13:23 GMT
#2780
On July 21 2011 22:19 Rayansaki wrote:
EG goes from being idra and friends to being puma and friends. :D


Until next idra's smack talk or good showing in any tournament (or bad showing... any showing for that matter if you know his fans ^^)
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