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On July 21 2011 22:02 Yew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:59 slimbo1 wrote:On July 21 2011 21:53 Mauldo wrote:
1) Puma kicks ass at NASL.
2) EG approaches him directly about a contract with them to play on their team.
3) Puma wants to switch to EG, tells his coach.
4) His coach finally gives in, giving in to what his player wanted.
The only part I can seriously see you guys finding bad is that EG approached Puma directly, and they didn't approach his coach instead. That's the only part. Every other step in this series of events was based off of what Puma wanted. Are you really going to criticize EG for something that Puma wanted to do?
That's like criticizing EG for Tyler wanting to sign with them (lulz). What fault is it of EG's? Puma (or Tyler) could have said no. In fact, if Puma had this foolhardy sense of "respect" and "honor" that you guys are trying to apply to EG, he would have laughed at EG and stayed with TSL.
Once again, the SC2 community that is apparently so "good" and "friendly" and "totally not in every stream chat shitting on people for no reason" is totally being "judgmental" and "rushing to shit on people with knowing or understanding the facts" and "shitting themselves because a Korean might just be able to play at more foreigner events."
Please. You guys repeatedly cry foul of things killing ESPORTS, (seriously so, not joking around, I'm sure), yet you guys are doing it right here. Every maker of Warp Prism that you burn to the ground before hearing his side of it (and only taking the word of some retarded Reddittor who managed a "who is" search but no other real research as gospel) and every 130+ page thread that we blow up without, you know, hearing how Puma thinks of the situation is what is showing the community for what it really is.
But, you know. This is all good as long as we get to shit on Puma, who obviously can't think in his best interests without him being a traitor to TSL, and EG, because they're the big bad corporation that broke of State of the Game.
Come on guys. Get serious.
Indeed! If the Player Puma likes a new Team and he likes EG, why shouldn't he do so? And oh my god. There's money involved. WTF. He wants money lol, that's all it is. Do you REALLY think he wants to go to EG because of the practice partners lmao? He has way better players to play with on his team and from other teams. He wants to make "easy money" by going to foreign tournaments, just like all the other koreans.
Your post wont get better, if you expand it by adding lmao, lol etc.
Whats the problem by getting money? I guess you would sort job advertisements by the amount of money you could earn? I cant get your .. "point"? :/
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On July 21 2011 22:04 integrity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:56 Spades wrote:
For all you people that claim korean teams dont pay their players etc.
It's like they raised you and made you what you are, and you bounced. if you are going to use the parent "analogy" then you must understand at some point the "child" must go off his own way at some point. if TSL wanted to keep him, they should have had a better contract. and you cant blame Puma for wanting to make some money. i hope Puma comes to the EG house for a few weeks to help the western players get better. at least for a little while.
Er no. Asian culture is that the family raises you, and when you grow into an adult and your parents can't work anymore, you take care of them. So the analogy here is that you grew into an adult, and you ditched your parents.
On July 21 2011 22:07 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 22:03 legaton wrote:
Even if i don't like the forms, i can't blame EG. They are the best known team in North America and one of the most famous names in the e-sports community, yet they had a pathetically weak roster.
Idra: 177-105 (62.77%) ELO Rank: 15th
Axslav: 132-116 (53.23%) ELO Rank: 83th
DeMusliM: 96-81 (54.24%) ELO Rank: 99th
InControl: 67-98 (40.61%) ELO Rank: 268th
StrifeCro: 56-64 (46.67%) ELO Rank: 269th
LzGamer: 48-69 (41.03%) ELO Rank: 310th
Machine: 77-102 (43.02%) ELO Rank: 372th
Except for Idra and DeMuslim before he got hurt (now, he's just another mid-tier terran on a server full of very good terrans), any of their players never showed any outstanding results. The only good thing they seem to be good at is creating buzz (Demuslim -thanks to his friendship to Rotterdam-, Idra) or drama (InControl, Idra). They desperately need someone talented to strengthen their roster. I guess they found it. Problem is they can't maintain pumas skill at the top level unless he practices with other top koreans. Practicing with the other EG members wont do anything for puma.
Well, it might make IdrA's life a living nightmare ;x
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On July 21 2011 22:02 Yew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:59 slimbo1 wrote:On July 21 2011 21:53 Mauldo wrote:
1) Puma kicks ass at NASL.
2) EG approaches him directly about a contract with them to play on their team.
3) Puma wants to switch to EG, tells his coach.
4) His coach finally gives in, giving in to what his player wanted.
The only part I can seriously see you guys finding bad is that EG approached Puma directly, and they didn't approach his coach instead. That's the only part. Every other step in this series of events was based off of what Puma wanted. Are you really going to criticize EG for something that Puma wanted to do?
That's like criticizing EG for Tyler wanting to sign with them (lulz). What fault is it of EG's? Puma (or Tyler) could have said no. In fact, if Puma had this foolhardy sense of "respect" and "honor" that you guys are trying to apply to EG, he would have laughed at EG and stayed with TSL.
Once again, the SC2 community that is apparently so "good" and "friendly" and "totally not in every stream chat shitting on people for no reason" is totally being "judgmental" and "rushing to shit on people with knowing or understanding the facts" and "shitting themselves because a Korean might just be able to play at more foreigner events."
Please. You guys repeatedly cry foul of things killing ESPORTS, (seriously so, not joking around, I'm sure), yet you guys are doing it right here. Every maker of Warp Prism that you burn to the ground before hearing his side of it (and only taking the word of some retarded Reddittor who managed a "who is" search but no other real research as gospel) and every 130+ page thread that we blow up without, you know, hearing how Puma thinks of the situation is what is showing the community for what it really is.
But, you know. This is all good as long as we get to shit on Puma, who obviously can't think in his best interests without him being a traitor to TSL, and EG, because they're the big bad corporation that broke of State of the Game.
Come on guys. Get serious.
Indeed! If the Player Puma likes a new Team and he likes EG, why shouldn't he do so? And oh my god. There's money involved. WTF. He wants money lol, that's all it is. Do you REALLY think he wants to go to EG because of the practice partners lmao? He has way better players to play with on his team and from other teams. He wants to make "easy money" by going to foreign tournaments, just like all the other koreans.
What's so wrong about Puma wanting money?
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On July 21 2011 22:06 AnalThermometer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 22:00 Xiaon wrote:On July 21 2011 21:59 AnalThermometer wrote:On July 21 2011 21:56 Xiaon wrote:
Not EG's fault PuMa isn't a walking charity;)
Perspective, huh? No, but it does remove the silly argument that TSL were dumb for not paying him more. TSL was the first team to pay Salaries for there team. I THINK they had some money, as FD and Tester were getting 30k/year for playin' games. Fruitdealer and Tester's salaries were paid for mostly by Fruitdealer winnings. You think players being paid that much are going to just part with TSL like they have done while they're getting 30k a year? Its a misleading statistic.
so
basically your saying that FD won 97k
and TSL paid their salaries with it
ok sure
it didnt go to FDs parents who ran a fruit stand or anything
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On July 21 2011 22:05 Xiaon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 22:05 Fionn wrote:
How the hell was Puma a "free agent" and playing for TSL? Did he have some sort of handshake agreement with Lee? TSL pays their players salaries. To do that, there would actually need to be a contract. Was TSL just paying Puma under the table? It just doesn't make much sense. The guy was plugging TSL and saying how the NASL victory would be so great for the team; that doesn't sound like a free agent to me at all.
Basically yeah, he played for TSL at the time on their 'b team' of sorts, without cntract.
So Korean prop houses pay their b teamers but don't have legal contracts with them?
LOL, why haven't we seen this kind of thing before then? No contract, no problem.
I repeat: NO CONTRACT, NO PROBLEM.
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On July 21 2011 22:05 Fionn wrote:
How the hell was Puma a "free agent" and playing for TSL? Did he have some sort of handshake agreement with Lee? TSL pays their players salaries. To do that, there would actually need to be a contract. Was TSL just paying Puma under the table? It just doesn't make much sense. The guy was plugging TSL and saying how the NASL victory would be so great for the team; that doesn't sound like a free agent to me at all.
Yeah, it was really sleazy. The deal took place before the NASL was over?! And then the guy plugs the TSL team and tells everyone to root for them when the tournament ends? This stinks - I hope this doesn't damage the relationship between other korean teams and foreign teams.
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On July 21 2011 21:29 ard0g wrote:
tsl coaches must suck if two of their players left the team for usa teams lol. fnatic rain and EG puma. Usa invades Korea ahahah. I was wondering when more koreans would start moving towards the money since there's only like one tourny in korea.
Rain leaved because he wanted to get out of Korea and go and live in USA and he got in touch with Fnatic and now he is playing for them while living in USA. It was not like Rain leaved TSL for Fnatic because TSL was shit.
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So is there an actual source saying he had no contract? Not a random XP netizen spreading rumors. An actual legit source.
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On July 21 2011 22:09 Fionn wrote:
So is there an actual source saying he had no contract? Not a random XP netizen spreading rumors. An actual legit source.
So is there an actual source saying he had a contract? Not a random XP netizen spreading rumors. An actual legit source
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On July 21 2011 22:03 Loodah wrote:
Also, we know that the TSL coach is pretty angry about this - that is enough to know that there was a problem with this. TSL and their coach knows a lot more about this deal than you, and they are pissed - are you gonna use that same line on them?
Let me ask you something.
You're coaching a struggling team. You have 1 star player who's your ace.
He decides to chuck up his deuces, because you were approached by a team that shows an interest in him.
Are you seriously going to be all like "Oh ok, have a great time Player!"
No, you're going to get pissed regardless of the situation.
Did it ever cross your mind that maybe - just maybe - TSL's coach is directing his frustration with himself at EG because it's an easier target than blaming himself for putting TSL in this position?
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Congrats EG; congrats Puma for more opportunities! 
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On July 21 2011 22:06 slimbo1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 22:02 Yew wrote:On July 21 2011 21:59 slimbo1 wrote:On July 21 2011 21:53 Mauldo wrote:
1) Puma kicks ass at NASL.
2) EG approaches him directly about a contract with them to play on their team.
3) Puma wants to switch to EG, tells his coach.
4) His coach finally gives in, giving in to what his player wanted.
The only part I can seriously see you guys finding bad is that EG approached Puma directly, and they didn't approach his coach instead. That's the only part. Every other step in this series of events was based off of what Puma wanted. Are you really going to criticize EG for something that Puma wanted to do?
That's like criticizing EG for Tyler wanting to sign with them (lulz). What fault is it of EG's? Puma (or Tyler) could have said no. In fact, if Puma had this foolhardy sense of "respect" and "honor" that you guys are trying to apply to EG, he would have laughed at EG and stayed with TSL.
Once again, the SC2 community that is apparently so "good" and "friendly" and "totally not in every stream chat shitting on people for no reason" is totally being "judgmental" and "rushing to shit on people with knowing or understanding the facts" and "shitting themselves because a Korean might just be able to play at more foreigner events."
Please. You guys repeatedly cry foul of things killing ESPORTS, (seriously so, not joking around, I'm sure), yet you guys are doing it right here. Every maker of Warp Prism that you burn to the ground before hearing his side of it (and only taking the word of some retarded Reddittor who managed a "who is" search but no other real research as gospel) and every 130+ page thread that we blow up without, you know, hearing how Puma thinks of the situation is what is showing the community for what it really is.
But, you know. This is all good as long as we get to shit on Puma, who obviously can't think in his best interests without him being a traitor to TSL, and EG, because they're the big bad corporation that broke of State of the Game.
Come on guys. Get serious.
Indeed! If the Player Puma likes a new Team and he likes EG, why shouldn't he do so? And oh my god. There's money involved. WTF. He wants money lol, that's all it is. Do you REALLY think he wants to go to EG because of the practice partners lmao? He has way better players to play with on his team and from other teams. He wants to make "easy money" by going to foreign tournaments, just like all the other koreans. Your post wont get better, if you expand it by adding lmao, lol etc. Whats the problem by getting money? I guess you would sort job advertisements by the amount of money you could earn? I cant get your .. "point"? :/
There is nothing wrong with getting money, the point was that EG can pay him more than TSL. He doesn't care about getting better, he cares about how much he makes. I wonder how much EG paid him to go over to their team.
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No there is no source saying whether or not he had a contract. Everything is speculation at this point
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On July 21 2011 22:02 Yew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:59 slimbo1 wrote:On July 21 2011 21:53 Mauldo wrote:
1) Puma kicks ass at NASL.
2) EG approaches him directly about a contract with them to play on their team.
3) Puma wants to switch to EG, tells his coach.
4) His coach finally gives in, giving in to what his player wanted.
The only part I can seriously see you guys finding bad is that EG approached Puma directly, and they didn't approach his coach instead. That's the only part. Every other step in this series of events was based off of what Puma wanted. Are you really going to criticize EG for something that Puma wanted to do?
That's like criticizing EG for Tyler wanting to sign with them (lulz). What fault is it of EG's? Puma (or Tyler) could have said no. In fact, if Puma had this foolhardy sense of "respect" and "honor" that you guys are trying to apply to EG, he would have laughed at EG and stayed with TSL.
Once again, the SC2 community that is apparently so "good" and "friendly" and "totally not in every stream chat shitting on people for no reason" is totally being "judgmental" and "rushing to shit on people with knowing or understanding the facts" and "shitting themselves because a Korean might just be able to play at more foreigner events."
Please. You guys repeatedly cry foul of things killing ESPORTS, (seriously so, not joking around, I'm sure), yet you guys are doing it right here. Every maker of Warp Prism that you burn to the ground before hearing his side of it (and only taking the word of some retarded Reddittor who managed a "who is" search but no other real research as gospel) and every 130+ page thread that we blow up without, you know, hearing how Puma thinks of the situation is what is showing the community for what it really is.
But, you know. This is all good as long as we get to shit on Puma, who obviously can't think in his best interests without him being a traitor to TSL, and EG, because they're the big bad corporation that broke of State of the Game.
Come on guys. Get serious.
Indeed! If the Player Puma likes a new Team and he likes EG, why shouldn't he do so? And oh my god. There's money involved. WTF. He wants money lol, that's all it is. Do you REALLY think he wants to go to EG because of the practice partners lmao? He has way better players to play with on his team and from other teams. He wants to make "easy money" by going to foreign tournaments, just like all the other koreans.
Well yeh success is a pretty important thing as a progamer.
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If TSL didn't have Puma on contract or decided to release him from his contract, that sets a bad precedent in my opinion. This shit needs to not happen and it's still pretty underhanded by EG based on what we know but ultimately it's down to TSL to be diligent in keeping their contracts in order, if they have one with Puma and it wasn't bought out, they should not let him go and pursue this issue, a precedent needs to be set for Starcraft 2.
Also, considering the amount of players that have recently left TSL, I'm inclined to believe that there's some issue going on behind the scenes, you don't just lose half your roster for no reason.
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ive got no problems with it as long as he keeps coming back to korea for gsl qualifiers and stuff
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On July 21 2011 22:09 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 22:03 Loodah wrote:
Also, we know that the TSL coach is pretty angry about this - that is enough to know that there was a problem with this. TSL and their coach knows a lot more about this deal than you, and they are pissed - are you gonna use that same line on them?
Let me ask you something. You're coaching a struggling team. You have 1 star player who's your ace. He decides to chuck up his deuces, because you were approached by a team that shows an interest in him. Are you seriously going to be all like "Oh ok, have a great time Player!" No, you're going to get pissed regardless of the situation. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe - just maybe - TSL's coach is directing his frustration with himself at EG because it's an easier target than blaming himself for putting TSL in this position?
why didnt the coaches contracct him?
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On July 21 2011 22:07 LastLordofCastamere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 22:02 Yew wrote:On July 21 2011 21:59 slimbo1 wrote:On July 21 2011 21:53 Mauldo wrote:
1) Puma kicks ass at NASL.
2) EG approaches him directly about a contract with them to play on their team.
3) Puma wants to switch to EG, tells his coach.
4) His coach finally gives in, giving in to what his player wanted.
The only part I can seriously see you guys finding bad is that EG approached Puma directly, and they didn't approach his coach instead. That's the only part. Every other step in this series of events was based off of what Puma wanted. Are you really going to criticize EG for something that Puma wanted to do?
That's like criticizing EG for Tyler wanting to sign with them (lulz). What fault is it of EG's? Puma (or Tyler) could have said no. In fact, if Puma had this foolhardy sense of "respect" and "honor" that you guys are trying to apply to EG, he would have laughed at EG and stayed with TSL.
Once again, the SC2 community that is apparently so "good" and "friendly" and "totally not in every stream chat shitting on people for no reason" is totally being "judgmental" and "rushing to shit on people with knowing or understanding the facts" and "shitting themselves because a Korean might just be able to play at more foreigner events."
Please. You guys repeatedly cry foul of things killing ESPORTS, (seriously so, not joking around, I'm sure), yet you guys are doing it right here. Every maker of Warp Prism that you burn to the ground before hearing his side of it (and only taking the word of some retarded Reddittor who managed a "who is" search but no other real research as gospel) and every 130+ page thread that we blow up without, you know, hearing how Puma thinks of the situation is what is showing the community for what it really is.
But, you know. This is all good as long as we get to shit on Puma, who obviously can't think in his best interests without him being a traitor to TSL, and EG, because they're the big bad corporation that broke of State of the Game.
Come on guys. Get serious.
Indeed! If the Player Puma likes a new Team and he likes EG, why shouldn't he do so? And oh my god. There's money involved. WTF. He wants money lol, that's all it is. Do you REALLY think he wants to go to EG because of the practice partners lmao? He has way better players to play with on his team and from other teams. He wants to make "easy money" by going to foreign tournaments, just like all the other koreans. What's so wrong about Puma wanting money?
There's nothing wrong with it, but obviously he doesn't care as much about getting better than he does about money.
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I hope this does not start a trend of foreign companies going straight to Korean players and buying them out, will only degenerate business credibility of e-sports imo
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