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1) Puma kicks ass at NASL.
2) EG approaches him directly about a contract with them to play on their team.
3) Puma wants to switch to EG, tells his coach.
4) His coach finally gives in, giving in to what his player wanted.
The only part I can seriously see you guys finding bad is that EG approached Puma directly, and they didn't approach his coach instead. That's the only part. Every other step in this series of events was based off of what Puma wanted. Are you really going to criticize EG for something that Puma wanted to do?
That's like criticizing EG for Tyler wanting to sign with them (lulz). What fault is it of EG's? Puma (or Tyler) could have said no. In fact, if Puma had this foolhardy sense of "respect" and "honor" that you guys are trying to apply to EG, he would have laughed at EG and stayed with TSL.
Once again, the SC2 community that is apparently so "good" and "friendly" and "totally not in every stream chat shitting on people for no reason" is totally being "judgmental" and "rushing to shit on people with knowing or understanding the facts" and "shitting themselves because a Korean might just be able to play at more foreigner events."
Please. You guys repeatedly cry foul of things killing ESPORTS, (seriously so, not joking around, I'm sure), yet you guys are doing it right here. Every maker of Warp Prism that you burn to the ground before hearing his side of it (and only taking the word of some retarded Reddittor who managed a "who is" search but no other real research as gospel) and every 130+ page thread that we blow up without, you know, hearing how Puma thinks of the situation is what is showing the community for what it really is.
But, you know. This is all good as long as we get to shit on Puma, who obviously can't think in his best interests without him being a traitor to TSL, and EG, because they're the big bad corporation that broke of State of the Game.
Come on guys. Get serious.
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On July 21 2011 21:51 agui wrote:
They need to have a transfer system like Soccer. Then the investment would be huge where teams would rather groom players than poach. But, if you're FXO or EG you probably will still have the money to pay the transfer fee and player salary.... it's an interesting event. Shows the need for KESPA in SC2 and somehow needs to be applied to foreign teams as well. Either way, huge huge huge pickup for EG and TSL just went down the drain.
How can you even bring FXO into this? What they did is nothing like EG, they just bought a team already in korea.
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On July 21 2011 21:51 Vinx wrote:next live on 3 is sure to be interesting 
haha i was just thinking this - the best thing about big news is getting to hear djWHEAT talk about it on a show
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On July 21 2011 21:54 Cheebah wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6Y6Be.jpg)
i think he's jealous.
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Lets add a little perspective as to why EG can take away the players TSL are relying on to survive financially, and why TSL can’t just “pay your players more then, SLAVE WAGES LOL!”.
EG (dat photoshop):
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TSL:
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On July 21 2011 21:54 Cheebah wrote:
LOL that's clide right
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On July 21 2011 21:54 zev318 wrote:i think he's jealous.
sum1s jelly
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On July 21 2011 21:54 zev318 wrote:i think he's jealous.
You should read Clide's last winner's interview from the group stages. He was pretty sad and determined for his team to comeback after losing important members.
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On July 21 2011 21:54 zev318 wrote:i think he's jealous.
I am gonna offer him some canadian bacon and an igloo to train in (no overheating)
Let's see what his twitter says then!
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I love the f5 warm at the first page :chubby , & very nice for puma
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For all you people that claim korean teams dont pay their players etc.
Being in a Korean pro team house is like a being in a family. The coaches are your parents, the players are your brothers. They usually take a big risk picking you out of anonymity and giving you a chance to live and train with them. They pay for everything, your living, travel, entertainment, whatever. So yeah if i player just randomly leaves without a discussion, of course they will be really upset. It's like they raised you and made you what you are, and you bounced. I think theres a way to be contacted, and a way to do business in regards to a korean player, and the proper steps weren't taken. I can fully understand TSL's position on this.
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On July 21 2011 21:54 AnalThermometer wrote:Lets add a little perspective as to why EG can take away the players TSL are relying on to survive financially, and why TSL can’t just “pay your players more then, SLAVE WAGES LOL!”. EG (dat photoshop): TSL:
Not EG's fault PuMa isn't a walking charity;)
Perspective, huh?
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Given the conversation with Alex Muller of SK-Gaming last night on lo3 I'd be willing to bet that Puma is making a significant amount of money through this EG pickup. Further, I have to add that in my opinion EG has done nothing wrong in this transaction and in fact TSL managment are being far less "ethical" by painting such a dark picture of the foreign team scene and producing what can only be called a shitstorm. If the SK-fnatic 1.6 saga has taught anyone its that some stuff is better for organisations to air behind closed doors, or they both end up being tainted by it.
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he is my favourite player, i dont know what to think, gotta reflect fora while
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I just realized this is actually very interesting, especially for the near future. Since foreign teams don't have to pay for full houses and house a good amount of both A and B teamers, they have more money to offer lucrative deals to top Korean players, I wonder if more will accept.
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On July 21 2011 21:56 Spades wrote:
For all you people that claim korean teams dont pay their players etc.
Being in a Korean pro team house is like a being in a family. The coaches are your parents, the players are your brothers. They usually take a big risk picking you out of anonymity and giving you a chance to live and train with them. They pay for everything, your living, travel, entertainment, whatever. So yeah if i player just randomly leaves without a discussion, of course they will be really upset. It's like they raised you and made you what you are, and you bounced. I think theres a way to be contacted, and a way to do business in regards to a korean player, and the proper steps weren't taken. I can fully understand TSL's position on this.
So what you're saying is that PuMa is now a man?
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On July 21 2011 21:54 zev318 wrote:i think he's jealous.
I think you're dumb.
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On July 21 2011 21:48 Loodah wrote:
I honestly don't understand why people are saying that Puma was a free agent. He went behind his team's back and made a deal WHILE HE WAS STILL ON TSL - I don't care how weak the contract was - you simply don't do this kind of stuff while you are on the team WITHOUT contacting the team managers or coaches.
I don't know the whole story, and we will see what EG has to say. However, from the information provided, there is a problem with the dealings. To those of you clinging to the "You don't know the whole story" line - Guess what? TSL knows the whole story and they are disgusted. That is bad REGARDLESS of how the dealings happened. You want both sides to be somewhat satisfied in a deal like this.
TSL is going to be disgusted no matter what when their ace chucks up his deuces. Any team is.
The fact of the matter is they didn't do enough to protect their rights to him as a player, and they got burned. Lesson learned, move on. Not for nothing, people are jumping ship from TSL left and right, they've lost 4 players inside of a month and seven days, including the two players that founded the team. Sounds a bit odd to you, doesn't it?
On July 21 2011 21:49 sandyph wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:46 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Uhhh so I see a lot of irrational EG hate here.
Yeah, they talked directly to a player. I get that the TSL coach is upset, and it seems underhanded, but let's look at the facts.
1) It appears he wasn't under contract. That means, for all intents and purposes, he was a free agent.
2) He could have easily said "You need to talk to my manager," and stopped the conversation there if he felt there would be an issue. He's a big boy, remember.
3) TSL could've made a counter offer. They either didn't, or didn't have the resources to.
Seriously, the ends justifies the means, and EG made a great pickup. If you want to get all up in arms about "the respectful way" at least realize that TSL had their opportunities here and obviously blew it. he's 19 years old EG could easily approach him, ask him if he's interested and if he does (as in this case) just tell him, OK. we will talk with TSL to get you into on EG. Then go to TSL and find out that he doesnt have a contract anyway so EG can have him for free. The end result is the same, EG still dont pay anything, TSL still lose Puma for nothing but I bet you the community will be less divided about the news
19 is a big boy. Legally an adult. Make your own decisions. Take your own responsibility. He's been in progaming for several years now, he knows the way this shit works.
You're right. But why should they have to delay only to have TSL a) shun them or b) put up an offer of their own? They made the better business decision.
In the end, EG did what was best for them. Good for them.
On July 21 2011 21:56 Spades wrote:
For all you people that claim korean teams dont pay their players etc.
Being in a Korean pro team house is like a being in a family. The coaches are your parents, the players are your brothers. They usually take a big risk picking you out of anonymity and giving you a chance to live and train with them. They pay for everything, your living, travel, entertainment, whatever. So yeah if i player just randomly leaves without a discussion, of course they will be really upset. It's like they raised you and made you what you are, and you bounced. I think theres a way to be contacted, and a way to do business in regards to a korean player, and the proper steps weren't taken. I can fully understand TSL's position on this.
Except... PuMa wasn't pulled from anonymity. Him and Tester (erherm, founding member of TSL) were teammates back in BW where he was a hot commodity as a practice partner, so I'm sure TSL knew what they were getting.
And iirc, PuMa got a travel stipend from NASL to go to the GFs. And he hasn't been outside of Korea other than that. So TSL didn't put a whole hell of a lot into this player, in all actuality.
There's a lot of talk about "Korean scene"/"Foreign scene". This isn't BW. We're at a point where that line isn't as gigantic and defined. The Korean teams shouldn't need to "ally" against the foreign teams. They should just learn to write a damned contract and prevent situations like this from happening. Korean players and non-Korean players should be free to move wherever they damned well please - and most of them are going to go where the money trail leads. If that means that you're going to see foreign teams like EG and SK start picking up Korean players left and right - so be it. The pressure is now on the Korean teams to provide and compete with them. The competition is in the West right now anyways. If that means an exodus for now - good. It will build up the Korean teams to do better.
Competition will only strengthen the global SC2 scene - realize this.
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