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Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
July 21 2011 11:38 GMT
#2481
Congratulations EG and Puma
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
CoMMoDuS
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany507 Posts
July 21 2011 11:39 GMT
#2482
Imagine the drama if i had Puma on my fantasy team...
There is no unemployment amongst overlords-Artosis
SourD
Profile Joined February 2011
United States81 Posts
July 21 2011 11:39 GMT
#2483
well..the reason why koreans have problem with this is that TSL invested their resources to aquire Puma and provide him with training ground to be a one of the top terran. why shouldnt TSL be upset about this?? they spent their money to make this "star" player and other team just takes him away from them?? of course TSL should have had stronger contract with him. but the infrastructure just wasnt there, according to coach Lee.
Telebear
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom107 Posts
July 21 2011 11:42 GMT
#2484
I think a lot of you have never followed football or soccer for the Americans, development and team loyalty mean nothing when money is involved and players move around all the time and you shouldnt feel any animosity for someone given a better opportunity and way of life than the situation they are currently in
marvin.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States469 Posts
July 21 2011 11:42 GMT
#2485
Is there any kind of response from EG yet?
AnalThermometer
Profile Joined February 2011
Vatican City State334 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 11:43:57
July 21 2011 11:43 GMT
#2486
This is interesting. I wonder if PuMa has just gravely damaged his own SC2 career over there, because I can't see Korean pride reacting well to this. How is he going to practice on the server after recieving plenty of help from a team but then running off when he gets another offer, presumably without proper compensation? From what I know they really, really hate people who aren't loyal.
Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 11:44:12
July 21 2011 11:43 GMT
#2487
On July 21 2011 20:39 SourD wrote:
well..the reason why koreans have problem with this is that TSL invested their resources to aquire Puma and provide him with training ground to be a one of the top terran. why shouldnt TSL be upset about this?? they spent their money to make this "star" player and other team just takes him away from them?? of course TSL should have had stronger contract with him. but the infrastructure just wasnt there, according to coach Lee.


Actually kind of disturbing whats happening to TSL. I definetely agree with the managers comment. It's pretty disgusting. Was puma not under contract? or is this just the standard in Korea? Pretty filthy and kinda dishonorable. With that said, SK just aquired some OGS players (MC, Nada) but that's more of a gentleman's agreement, they get to play foreign tournaments, but will primarily represent SK. This however is a complete player theft, and I do not see PuMa doing well over in Korea for an extended period without a pro house. Dont like the approach taken to aquire puma and I definitely think less of EG now.
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ShallNoiseUpon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States311 Posts
July 21 2011 11:43 GMT
#2488
What's with all the people shittalking EG without knowing the whole story? People sure are quick to judge.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
July 21 2011 11:43 GMT
#2489
On July 21 2011 20:42 marvin. wrote:
Is there any kind of response from EG yet?


At almost 5am? Highly doubt it. Soon enough they will respond.
There's no S in KT. :P
PDizzle
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark1754 Posts
July 21 2011 11:44 GMT
#2490
woooow :O
holy shit great pickup by eg
zolii
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland141 Posts
July 21 2011 11:45 GMT
#2491
There is not enough information on the topic to judge. EG had not made an official statement yet.

If Puma has no binding contract with TSL then:
- western way - EG did nothing wrong, they approached a free agent and offered him a deal
- korean way - EG showed lack of respect towards the manager by skipping him in the process

The "west is just buying out korean talent" is nothing new. Same stuff happens all the time in sports - take football for example - random teams and even national teams buy/nationalise foreigners because of they talent.

Such reaction to this situation just shows that majority of people coming here are detached from normal life and can't compare this to what is standard in other branches of life.
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
July 21 2011 11:46 GMT
#2492
I wonder how this will affect Puma's training. Where does he practice now? It said he left the TSL house; is he just going practicing on the Korea ladder? I can't imagine him benefiting at all from practicing with the EG team, considering how much better he is than everyone on the team.
Dodge arrows
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
July 21 2011 11:48 GMT
#2493
this is so unprofessional by EG, Tyler was right about them

Stay classy EG
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 11:53:05
July 21 2011 11:50 GMT
#2494
Hello~~ does Entourage ring the bell?

You're an agent for a future star, you pull gigs and all kind of strings for the potential star. The potential finally gets a chance to shoot a film, comes back and tell you that you're no longer his agent. How do you feel?

Like minded think alike. Why was there a troll openly insulted inControl via messaging during NASL final? What was Idra known for, skill or obscene comments? Are you actually surprised at this kind of comments directed at EG?
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
deadjawa
Profile Joined May 2011
United States179 Posts
July 21 2011 11:50 GMT
#2495
I fail to see any problem with this morally or otherwise. People seem to forget that the players are individuals, the teams don't own them. This had to be pumas idea as much as EGs idea given the large communication and cultural gAps between them. Also, the idea tha TSL "brought up" puma is ridiculous, clearly he was a good player before he was in TSL. EG needs a good Terran, and a good practice squad. Seems to be a good idea.
Werk
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States294 Posts
July 21 2011 11:50 GMT
#2496
A shame that the relationship between Puma and TSL is now a sour one, NEVER burn your bridges...especially in a small scene...but very cool that EG has a korean!
Do Werk Son
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
July 21 2011 11:52 GMT
#2497
On July 21 2011 20:48 Maliris wrote:
this is so unprofessional by EG, Tyler was right about them

Stay classy EG


What did Tyler said? :o and where
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
July 21 2011 11:52 GMT
#2498
Man EG starting to get a bad rep these days..... finding myself drawn more and more to the likes of Catz and Destiny with their go it alone attitude - support these guys EG sure doesn't need your help otherwise EG will grow and buy up everything like the mc donalds of the esports world.
FlashDave.999 aka Star
Cheebah
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
210 Posts
July 21 2011 11:52 GMT
#2499
I'd like to hear what EG has to say about this, but it does seem like a filthy move.
I don't know how Puma is gonna practice from now on, but he sure won't be practicing in the TSL house or in any Korean prohouse. This means he'll either practice by himself (ladder/cg) in Korea, or move to the EG prohouse. Either way it's a HUGE loss for him and his skill improvement... I mean imagine him playing on the NA ladder -.-

In fact the more I think about it, the more I'm disgusted by EG's behaviour...

Out here in the perimeter there are no stars. Out here we are stoned, immaculate.
starsucks
Profile Joined January 2011
233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 11:56:03
July 21 2011 11:52 GMT
#2500
Ok. After reading the new pages with a lot of people calling this "saddening" or "BM" by EG. Can anybody in all honesty explain to me why this should be considered as rude behavior?

1. We have an aspiring player who is somehow affiliated with a team but has no real contract and seems to not get any significant payment from its team.

2. Another team ist interested in this player and offers him a contract and a monthly salary.

3. The player himself decides to sign this contract and is obviously now affiliated to another team which offered more attractive conditions.

Now tell me what is wrong with this? What did TSL expect?

1. The player stays because of loyalty in a team which seems to not fully respects his skill or at least doesn't pay him accordingly.

2. EG asks TSL first. Why should they? What would be the advantage? TSL would probably reject the offer or at least claim a significant transfer fee which would be only necessary if there was an existing contract.

3. The manager of TSL could have instantly made a countering offer to puma if he was especially interested in him. He obviously didn't.

So what is TSL's point? I understand that they are angry to lose a good player but this is completely their fault and it has nothing to do with an immoral behavior by EG. The strange thing is that I read a news in which TSL claimed to be the first team to pay a regular salary to players. Maybe they've run out of money.
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