well..the reason why koreans have problem with this is that TSL invested their resources to aquire Puma and provide him with training ground to be a one of the top terran. why shouldnt TSL be upset about this?? they spent their money to make this "star" player and other team just takes him away from them?? of course TSL should have had stronger contract with him. but the infrastructure just wasnt there, according to coach Lee.

Telebear

United Kingdom107 Posts

July 21 2011 11:42 GMT

#2484

I think a lot of you have never followed football or soccer for the Americans, development and team loyalty mean nothing when money is involved and players move around all the time and you shouldnt feel any animosity for someone given a better opportunity and way of life than the situation they are currently in

marvin.

United States469 Posts

July 21 2011 11:42 GMT

#2485

Is there any kind of response from EG yet?

AnalThermometer

Vatican City State334 Posts

July 21 2011 11:43 GMT

#2486

This is interesting. I wonder if PuMa has just gravely damaged his own SC2 career over there, because I can't see Korean pride reacting well to this. How is he going to practice on the server after recieving plenty of help from a team but then running off when he gets another offer, presumably without proper compensation? From what I know they really, really hate people who aren't loyal.

Phayze

Canada2029 Posts

July 21 2011 11:43 GMT

#2487

On July 21 2011 20:39 SourD wrote:
well..the reason why koreans have problem with this is that TSL invested their resources to aquire Puma and provide him with training ground to be a one of the top terran. why shouldnt TSL be upset about this?? they spent their money to make this "star" player and other team just takes him away from them?? of course TSL should have had stronger contract with him. but the infrastructure just wasnt there, according to coach Lee.

Actually kind of disturbing whats happening to TSL. I definetely agree with the managers comment. It's pretty disgusting. Was puma not under contract? or is this just the standard in Korea? Pretty filthy and kinda dishonorable. With that said, SK just aquired some OGS players (MC, Nada) but that's more of a gentleman's agreement, they get to play foreign tournaments, but will primarily represent SK. This however is a complete player theft, and I do not see PuMa doing well over in Korea for an extended period without a pro house. Dont like the approach taken to aquire puma and I definitely think less of EG now.

ShallNoiseUpon

United States311 Posts

July 21 2011 11:43 GMT

#2488

What's with all the people shittalking EG without knowing the whole story? People sure are quick to judge.

Baarn

United States2702 Posts

July 21 2011 11:43 GMT

#2489

On July 21 2011 20:42 marvin. wrote:
Is there any kind of response from EG yet?

At almost 5am? Highly doubt it. Soon enough they will respond.

PDizzle

Denmark1754 Posts

July 21 2011 11:44 GMT

#2490

woooow :O
holy shit great pickup by eg

zolii

Poland141 Posts

July 21 2011 11:45 GMT

#2491

There is not enough information on the topic to judge. EG had not made an official statement yet.

If Puma has no binding contract with TSL then:
- western way - EG did nothing wrong, they approached a free agent and offered him a deal
- korean way - EG showed lack of respect towards the manager by skipping him in the process

The "west is just buying out korean talent" is nothing new. Same stuff happens all the time in sports - take football for example - random teams and even national teams buy/nationalise foreigners because of they talent.

Such reaction to this situation just shows that majority of people coming here are detached from normal life and can't compare this to what is standard in other branches of life.

TheSubtleArt

Canada2527 Posts

July 21 2011 11:46 GMT

#2492

I wonder how this will affect Puma's training. Where does he practice now? It said he left the TSL house; is he just going practicing on the Korea ladder? I can't imagine him benefiting at all from practicing with the EG team, considering how much better he is than everyone on the team.

Maliris

Northern Ireland2557 Posts

July 21 2011 11:48 GMT

#2493

this is so unprofessional by EG, Tyler was right about them

Stay classy EG

twndomn

401 Posts

July 21 2011 11:50 GMT

#2494

Hello~~ does Entourage ring the bell?

You're an agent for a future star, you pull gigs and all kind of strings for the potential star. The potential finally gets a chance to shoot a film, comes back and tell you that you're no longer his agent. How do you feel?

Like minded think alike. Why was there a troll openly insulted inControl via messaging during NASL final? What was Idra known for, skill or obscene comments? Are you actually surprised at this kind of comments directed at EG?

deadjawa

United States179 Posts

July 21 2011 11:50 GMT

#2495

I fail to see any problem with this morally or otherwise. People seem to forget that the players are individuals, the teams don't own them. This had to be pumas idea as much as EGs idea given the large communication and cultural gAps between them. Also, the idea tha TSL "brought up" puma is ridiculous, clearly he was a good player before he was in TSL. EG needs a good Terran, and a good practice squad. Seems to be a good idea.

Werk

United States294 Posts

July 21 2011 11:50 GMT

#2496

A shame that the relationship between Puma and TSL is now a sour one, NEVER burn your bridges...especially in a small scene...but very cool that EG has a korean!

Piski

Finland3461 Posts

July 21 2011 11:52 GMT

#2497

On July 21 2011 20:48 Maliris wrote:
this is so unprofessional by EG, Tyler was right about them

Stay classy EG

What did Tyler said? :o and where

aka_star

United Kingdom1546 Posts

July 21 2011 11:52 GMT

#2498

Man EG starting to get a bad rep these days..... finding myself drawn more and more to the likes of Catz and Destiny with their go it alone attitude - support these guys EG sure doesn't need your help otherwise EG will grow and buy up everything like the mc donalds of the esports world.

Cheebah

210 Posts

July 21 2011 11:52 GMT

#2499

I'd like to hear what EG has to say about this, but it does seem like a filthy move.
I don't know how Puma is gonna practice from now on, but he sure won't be practicing in the TSL house or in any Korean prohouse. This means he'll either practice by himself (ladder/cg) in Korea, or move to the EG prohouse. Either way it's a HUGE loss for him and his skill improvement... I mean imagine him playing on the NA ladder -.-

In fact the more I think about it, the more I'm disgusted by EG's behaviour...

starsucks

233 Posts

July 21 2011 11:52 GMT

#2500

Ok. After reading the new pages with a lot of people calling this "saddening" or "BM" by EG. Can anybody in all honesty explain to me why this should be considered as rude behavior?

1. We have an aspiring player who is somehow affiliated with a team but has no real contract and seems to not get any significant payment from its team.

2. Another team ist interested in this player and offers him a contract and a monthly salary.

3. The player himself decides to sign this contract and is obviously now affiliated to another team which offered more attractive conditions.

Now tell me what is wrong with this? What did TSL expect?

1. The player stays because of loyalty in a team which seems to not fully respects his skill or at least doesn't pay him accordingly.

2. EG asks TSL first. Why should they? What would be the advantage? TSL would probably reject the offer or at least claim a significant transfer fee which would be only necessary if there was an existing contract.

3. The manager of TSL could have instantly made a countering offer to puma if he was especially interested in him. He obviously didn't.

So what is TSL's point? I understand that they are angry to lose a good player but this is completely their fault and it has nothing to do with an immoral behavior by EG. The strange thing is that I read a news in which TSL claimed to be the first team to pay a regular salary to players. Maybe they've run out of money.