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daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 11:14:26
July 21 2011 11:13 GMT
#2441
EG wants to buy every Korean eventually so IdrA can win all the tournaments. Makes sense.
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Syben
Profile Joined October 2010
United States512 Posts
July 21 2011 11:14 GMT
#2442
I think its freaking awesome that EG acquired puma but I'm a little confused why they went about it the way they did. In western culture its regular practice to deal directly with the player but I really think talking to TSL first about it might of been a more gentlemanly way of going about it. I am a little worried about how the Korean SC2 scene will look upon the foreign scene after this acquirement. All in all good pick up from EG though, really adds some depth and I cant wait to see if he will be staying in the EG house in Arizona.
Definitely gonna switch to G, the only race I havent played yet. - TLO
King of Kings
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany481 Posts
July 21 2011 11:15 GMT
#2443
Not the best PR for EG to ignore the coaches completely and directly go talk to PuMa. But the good thing is: He will change his ID back to PuMa :D
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theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
July 21 2011 11:15 GMT
#2444
Wow, TSL is really falling apart... on the surface they seemed like a well established team, but if all of their serious players are so dissatisfied that they're leaving left and right, they must have major issues.
If all you're offering is Dos Equis, I will stay thirsty thank you very much.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 21 2011 11:15 GMT
#2445
On July 21 2011 19:54 Aurdon wrote:
At least EG didn't do something completely lukewarm and hire Puma to 'represent' them the way SK did with their Koreans.

Cheers to them for taking a big step to blurring the lines Koreans/Foreigners and trying to make the best team possible regardless of nationality.

Still really curious how their team house is going to work though.

If they were smart, they'd throw some money at a coach that can run a house in the Korean style.


At least SK made an arrangement with the team management rather than just steal players behind everyone's back.
Skytalker
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden671 Posts
July 21 2011 11:16 GMT
#2446
thought he was nicknamed Gentleman
Jaedong HWAITING!
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 21 2011 11:18 GMT
#2447
Can we get a confirmation from EG? Sir Scoots' twitter seems to be denying this.
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 21 2011 11:19 GMT
#2448
On July 21 2011 20:13 Senx wrote:
So now Puma is alone and stuck practicing the ladder all day, I wonder if this move actually lessened his chances to win a tournament now that he wont have a team to practice with in korea.


Sure he can enter more tournaments for sure and all that, but I think like you perhaps also that now he's practice that he had with TSL will fall apart and that he will most likely after a couple months perhaps not be the puma beast he is, but we will see.
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Oken
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 11:29:56
July 21 2011 11:20 GMT
#2449
Holy check...

Something has to be going wrong at TSL, although this just might be EG "stealing" their player. I seriously doubt that is the whole story though... Good for EG (assuming this IS happening).
"When Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone, he had two missing calls from NesTea" - Artosis
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
July 21 2011 11:20 GMT
#2450
On July 21 2011 20:18 MCDayC wrote:
Can we get a confirmation from EG? Sir Scoots' twitter seems to be denying this.


No, I think Scoots was denying the way it happened, not that it happened.
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Raygun
Profile Joined August 2010
348 Posts
July 21 2011 11:20 GMT
#2451
On July 21 2011 20:18 MCDayC wrote:
Can we get a confirmation from EG? Sir Scoots' twitter seems to be denying this.


It is kind of odd to put that on twitter and then letting it fester for so long without providing the facts that people apparently lack.
BoomKing
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand9 Posts
July 21 2011 11:21 GMT
#2452
My guess is that Puma was astounded by all the foriegn fans throughout the NASL finals. Sure, there might be a trend with TSL players leaving all the time (maybe he didn't like the environment), but Puma was quite modest about when he was first asked "What would you like to say to your fans?". Also, he probably realises the opportunities of the foreign scene rather than going through code A qualifiers (I mean, he just won $50,000!).

Then again, this is just me theorising with nothing to base it off.
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
July 21 2011 11:21 GMT
#2453
On July 21 2011 20:13 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 20:11 Sandro wrote:
On July 21 2011 20:10 werynais wrote:
Will he be training with Incontrol, Axslav and LzGamer?

Only if he wants a regression in his skills.


I think the whole point is to make everyone better and have everyone as good as Idra is now or better so it makes sense.

Yeah, and Idra was supposed to do the same thing, remember?

And now hes loses quite a bit against mediocre foreign players.
khazgore
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway104 Posts
July 21 2011 11:21 GMT
#2454
Cool! does anyone think that Puma is gonna stay in the EG gaming house now?
Quess Idra is no longer the best strongest EG player.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
July 21 2011 11:21 GMT
#2455
On July 21 2011 20:11 ZeromuS wrote:
Also, why does there need to be a system in place to keep foreign teams "stealing" players? Korean teams could just as easily offer foreign players a salary and ask them to join their team could they not?

Edit, they could offer their own players salaries. I can understand the talk to the coaches of the team thing but thats a very eastern philosophy so theres not much that can be done now thanks to cultural differences


That's BS, eastern western thing. When a club/ team invests in a player by training him in the best possible conditions (for performance), offers great coaching, housing etc and turns him in to a great player, it deserves compensations (transfer fee) when that player switches teams/ clubs. That's how things work in football and work like that because they are regulated by a governing body. KESPA 2 here it comes :p
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Nayl
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada413 Posts
July 21 2011 11:21 GMT
#2456
On July 21 2011 20:11 ZeromuS wrote:
Thats mega huge. Seriously, wow. Also, why does there need to be a system in place to keep foreign teams "stealing" players? Korean teams could just as easily offer foreign players a salary and ask them to join their team could they not?

Edit, they could offer their own players salaries. I can understand the talk to the coaches of the team thing but thats a very eastern philosophy so theres not much that can be done now thanks to cultural differences


That's the problem, Korea grows best talent when it comes to Starcraft. Whether you agree or not, foreign scene avoids discovering and growing its own young talent. Instead, most teams prefer already established players; this is shown by the fact that we've been watching same bunch of guys for the most part since the early days of release. (Sure, there are some exception, but not even close to being on the same level as Korean)

So from a Korean's perspective, it may look like foreigner teams merely "use" the entire korean scene to grow a good player from scratch and they "steal" them to make them represent their team and sponsor.

However, I expect Korean teams to start taking action against this sort of things and we may see a more strict environment they have in SC1, which in my opinion is unfortunate.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
July 21 2011 11:22 GMT
#2457
People already calling for a new Kespa, shocking. More freedom for players is a good thing.
bloken
Profile Joined June 2011
22 Posts
July 21 2011 11:23 GMT
#2458
On July 21 2011 19:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:

Korean Sc teams need to learn about free agency and fair trade. Playing the game at that level is about money and prestige, if you cannot offer more than another team you do not deserve that player. This is not ScBw and teams don't deserve slave like control of their players.


amen brother
Zaffy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom128 Posts
July 21 2011 11:24 GMT
#2459
If puma had a contract with TSL then EG would need to buy out that contract.

If he didnt , then he is free to talk to anyone he wants. TSLs fault for not getting him to sign a contract.
waffles
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
July 21 2011 11:25 GMT
#2460
On July 21 2011 20:23 bloken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 19:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:

Korean Sc teams need to learn about free agency and fair trade. Playing the game at that level is about money and prestige, if you cannot offer more than another team you do not deserve that player. This is not ScBw and teams don't deserve slave like control of their players.


amen brother


Indeed. A good post among so many bad posts some really painful to read...

This is good for esports, good for puma, and good for EG.

Sure its bad for TSL but well, if this is a ' sport ' this kind of things may start happening.
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