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FireFish
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark228 Posts
July 21 2011 10:52 GMT
#2401
I don't really get the point of this, but huge news
Chrill
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden91 Posts
July 21 2011 10:52 GMT
#2402
On July 21 2011 19:49 Derez wrote:


And well, EG is EG. Professional BM-ing. Then again, if they ever want to win anything again this is the way to go. Have a few americans for the trolling/drama and a few koreans for results.


QFT. Oh well, hope this makes Puma happier atleast.

Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
July 21 2011 10:53 GMT
#2403
Congratz EG i guess we will see Puma at some MLG's : )
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
July 21 2011 10:53 GMT
#2404
On July 21 2011 19:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote:
TSL announced today that they will be releasing Puma on their team. The team revealed today that after Puma won NASL, Puma directly received interest from a foreign team, Evil Geniuses.

Manager Lee noted that "It is disappointing that we have to make a decision like this, but it's extremely objectionable [T/N: displeasing, disgusting, etc] that Evil Geniuses would ignore the coaches completely and directly go talk to the player"

TIG confirms that Puma will be joining Evil Geniuses. EG made an offer to Puma after they made it to the round of 4, and after that, Puma had decided that he would accept EG's offer. Puma revealed his intentions to the TSL manager after coming back to Korea. Manager Lee decided to respect the player's wishes in the end. He noted that "It's really disturbing. It feels like the player I raised was just stolen away from me.", adding that "There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this"

Puma had left the TSL house as of the 20th.

EG has been revealed to pay Puma a certain amount of salary, and to provide Puma with money for foreign tournaments.

http://www.playxp.com/news/read.php?news_id=3209550
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=709880&board=&category=13438&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=


Korean Sc teams need to learn about free agency and fair trade. Playing the game at that level is about money and prestige, if you cannot offer more than another team you do not deserve that player. This is not ScBw and teams don't deserve slave like control of their players.
Good on you for actually contributing to this thread unlike what seems to be 95% of posts.
I really tend to agree with this statement, but I'd like to point out that with BW they signed contracts regulating such things at their own discretion, and get payed salaries.
Just like any job, when you work for someone, you get paid, and you have less freedom. If you want more freedom such as working for yourself, you may get paid less or none at all.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
July 21 2011 10:54 GMT
#2405
At least EG didn't do something completely lukewarm and hire Puma to 'represent' them the way SK did with their Koreans.

Cheers to them for taking a big step to blurring the lines Koreans/Foreigners and trying to make the best team possible regardless of nationality.

Still really curious how their team house is going to work though.

If they were smart, they'd throw some money at a coach that can run a house in the Korean style.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
July 21 2011 10:57 GMT
#2406
On July 21 2011 19:24 labbe wrote:
Dick move in typical EG fashion. Not surprised really.

Until more information is available i agree with this. I hope he is (puma) at least payed what he deserves and was not "tricked" to earn less then the average EG guys. FWIW though, there has to be some sort of "transfer fee" when things like this happen.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Alexl
Profile Joined January 2011
288 Posts
July 21 2011 10:58 GMT
#2407
Well, that's a good answer to people saying EG needed another terran !
Notnap
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden10 Posts
July 21 2011 10:59 GMT
#2408
Who cares about what the koreans thinks and Tsl. Korea is just one tiny country with no power.
Europe/usa could buy every single player from korea just for fun and if the koreans dont like it let just go to war with them and kill them.

User was temp banned for this post.
for every person there is a dog
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
July 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#2409
On July 21 2011 19:59 Notnap wrote:
Who cares about what the koreans thinks and Tsl. Korea is just one tiny country with no power.
Europe/usa could buy every single player from korea just for fun and if the koreans dont like it let just go to war with them and kill them.


Are you for real?
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
July 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#2410
Congratz @ EG
Comfort from bottles, cheers from beers the guitars are our weapons and we know how to kill!
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
July 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#2411
Well EG has been mediocre for a while now, they needed a strong player.
ggaemo fan
Notnap
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden10 Posts
July 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#2412
On July 21 2011 20:01 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 19:59 Notnap wrote:
Who cares about what the koreans thinks and Tsl. Korea is just one tiny country with no power.
Europe/usa could buy every single player from korea just for fun and if the koreans dont like it let just go to war with them and kill them.


Are you for real?



i am right.
for every person there is a dog
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 11:02:19
July 21 2011 11:02 GMT
#2413
On July 21 2011 19:26 Jepsyn wrote:
In Every other sport the player is approached first.. then if something is worked out.. the other team is informed... These guys should be able to be free agents and sign contracts just like any other "sport"


in any other sports (well football, europe to be exact), this is considered as tapping up and the original team can take the offending team to court (if they wish to)
Put quote here for readability
peeeky
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada631 Posts
July 21 2011 11:03 GMT
#2414
Not surprised that foreign teams are poaching Korean talent especially with things as tempting as an actual salary/sponsorship. Great for EG but definitely sad for TSL who spent time raising this talent.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
July 21 2011 11:03 GMT
#2415
On July 21 2011 20:02 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 19:26 Jepsyn wrote:
In Every other sport the player is approached first.. then if something is worked out.. the other team is informed... These guys should be able to be free agents and sign contracts just like any other "sport"


in any other sports (well football, europe to be exact), this is considered as tapping up and the original team can take the offending team to court (if they wish to)


...only because of a governing body that will enforce this. This brings back the argument that the only reason this does not happen in other sports is because of a governing body, which SC2 does not have. So for now it is kosher.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
July 21 2011 11:03 GMT
#2416
On July 21 2011 19:59 Notnap wrote:
Who cares about what the koreans thinks and Tsl. Korea is just one tiny country with no power.
Europe/usa could buy every single player from korea just for fun and if the koreans dont like it let just go to war with them and kill them.


Ah, you're one of those. I wonder how high your post-count will get before you get the boot.


I'm looking forward to hearing all sides of the story, i don't get why people can't atleast wait a bit before they make up their minds and start trashing EG.. I for one,, will wait a bit.
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
July 21 2011 11:03 GMT
#2417
On July 21 2011 20:02 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 19:26 Jepsyn wrote:
In Every other sport the player is approached first.. then if something is worked out.. the other team is informed... These guys should be able to be free agents and sign contracts just like any other "sport"


in any other sports (well football, europe to be exact), this is considered as tapping up and the original team can take the offending team to court (if they wish to)


that's only if there's a binding contract against such acts
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
July 21 2011 11:03 GMT
#2418
grats eg ! this is huge

eg <333
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Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
July 21 2011 11:05 GMT
#2419
Really don't like this move, but good for Puma and EG I guess. Seems everything is going downwards for TSL lately, I had such high hopes for many of them
really?
silentreality
Profile Joined March 2008
Korea (South)222 Posts
July 21 2011 11:05 GMT
#2420
On July 21 2011 19:53 Xapti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 19:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote:
TSL announced today that they will be releasing Puma on their team. The team revealed today that after Puma won NASL, Puma directly received interest from a foreign team, Evil Geniuses.

Manager Lee noted that "It is disappointing that we have to make a decision like this, but it's extremely objectionable [T/N: displeasing, disgusting, etc] that Evil Geniuses would ignore the coaches completely and directly go talk to the player"

TIG confirms that Puma will be joining Evil Geniuses. EG made an offer to Puma after they made it to the round of 4, and after that, Puma had decided that he would accept EG's offer. Puma revealed his intentions to the TSL manager after coming back to Korea. Manager Lee decided to respect the player's wishes in the end. He noted that "It's really disturbing. It feels like the player I raised was just stolen away from me.", adding that "There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this"

Puma had left the TSL house as of the 20th.

EG has been revealed to pay Puma a certain amount of salary, and to provide Puma with money for foreign tournaments.

http://www.playxp.com/news/read.php?news_id=3209550
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=709880&board=&category=13438&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=


Korean Sc teams need to learn about free agency and fair trade. Playing the game at that level is about money and prestige, if you cannot offer more than another team you do not deserve that player. This is not ScBw and teams don't deserve slave like control of their players.
Good on you for actually contributing to this thread unlike what seems to be 95% of posts.
I really tend to agree with this statement, but I'd like to point out that with BW they signed contracts regulating such things at their own discretion, and get payed salaries.
Just like any job, when you work for someone, you get paid, and you have less freedom. If you want more freedom such as working for yourself, you may get paid less or none at all.


I don't think anybody really faults Puma for leaving.. he must have gotten a better deal. I think the point of all this shit storming back and forth is because EG didn't contact TSL prior to initiating talks with Puma - which I understand is not something that is actually regulated by an authoritative body meaning that it wasn't illegal or anything just.. "disrespectful". I don't know enough about SC2 e-sports to comment on whether or not a certain behavior is respectful or not, but that seems to be the debate.

Personally, I think it's great that Puma wants to try his luck with a foreign team. Either way this will all blow over eventually.
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