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Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
July 21 2011 10:39 GMT
#2381
Is Puma going to move into the EG team house? If so, I think the level of play of everyone living there would jump 10 fold.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
Kireak
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden358 Posts
July 21 2011 10:39 GMT
#2382
On July 21 2011 19:36 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 19:34 Kireak wrote:
EG currently is without a Terran after LZ switched, also EG is building up a team house for their players so the situation for Puma wouldn't change too much. I hope there wont be a communication issued though.

Also I hope that this is not becoming commonplace. Lately you have seen SK, Fnatic and EG getting Korean players.

These teams need to be very careful of what the fans actually think, its ultimately they who are the source of their income. If they cannot relate to the team anymore, or start to dislike it for whatever reason its a big loss for the teams.

DeMuslim is a EG Terran


You're of course right! I forgot about him due to his injury. Still!, 3 Zergs, 2 protoss and 1 terran. I doubt they would have got for another zerg regardless ^^
MskiRye
Profile Joined January 2011
Philippines13 Posts
July 21 2011 10:39 GMT
#2383
The Foreign teams are actually offering more money to good players so they can get stronger. Awesome move but a little bit unprofessional going directly to PUMA himself rather than his Manager.
TSL is falling apart, sad but i guess it happens. Goodluck to PUMA!!!!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 10:41:58
July 21 2011 10:39 GMT
#2384
On July 21 2011 19:28 thedz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 19:26 SourD wrote:
On July 21 2011 19:22 thedz wrote:
On July 21 2011 19:19 Rammstorm wrote:
That's why there was "KESPA" in SC1 I assume. To stop this kind of unprofessional behavior.


You mean to stop players from joining tournaments or teams that would ostensibly offer them more compensation and/or earnings? See: Gom BW tournaments, etc.


yes Kespa did abuse their power. but they did setup a good infrastructure for the scene. i just hope SC2 organization can do the same.


Note that the prevailing SC2 organization currently tells teams to not let their players stream. Do you know why you see a few SlayerS players stream? Because SlayerS is not a member of that SC2 governing organization.

A couple years back there was this publicized meeting between Boxer and Savior where one of the topics in the conversation was about improving conditions for progamers. The whole thing leaves an incredibly bitter taste when you look back on it now in light of the match fixing scandals, but you can trace back Boxer's different approach with his team to quite some time back.
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
July 21 2011 10:40 GMT
#2385
On July 21 2011 19:34 Kireak wrote:
EG currently is without a Terran after LZ switched, also EG is building up a team house for their players so the situation for Puma wouldn't change too much. I hope there wont be a communication issued though.

Also I hope that this is not becoming commonplace. Lately you have seen SK, Fnatic and EG getting Korean players.

These teams need to be very careful of what the fans actually think, its ultimately they who are the source of their income. If they cannot relate to the team anymore, or start to dislike it for whatever reason its a big loss for the teams.


don't count out demuslim, he's an awesome terran
perhaps not as awesome since his injury, but i'm sure he'll make it back to the top of the foreign scene
Steamroller
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland756 Posts
July 21 2011 10:42 GMT
#2386
lol at people who's bashing EG.
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
July 21 2011 10:43 GMT
#2387
i guess this is ok. for one thing , its gonna make EG wayyyyy better. hhopefully
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
July 21 2011 10:43 GMT
#2388
So I go over to twitter to see what 'Sir Scoots' has been saying about this. Latest tweet? Replying to someone saying "umadbro?". Slow clap for EG.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 10:45:42
July 21 2011 10:45 GMT
#2389
i hoped alot of good from TSL but now they lost 3 of their key players.
it can be really intresting to see how TSL compare this HUGE loss of 3 importent players in the next GSTL matches.

perhaps we see some new "rising stars"

ps: will puma stay in korea all time or will he move to the USA EG house anytime soon ?
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Nethermind
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand445 Posts
July 21 2011 10:45 GMT
#2390
Until Scoots drops some knowledge on what went down, there is too much speculation here. Guys gotta chill, let the dust settle.

Looking forward to hearing the other side of the story here. If it doesn't come out, EG will be tarred.
lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
July 21 2011 10:46 GMT
#2391
That's sick, grats to EG and Puma, lets see how it'll turn out for TSL...

When they lost 3 big names last weeks I was like: "Well, at least they still have puma..." Now what? : \
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
July 21 2011 10:47 GMT
#2392
On July 21 2011 19:43 stafu wrote:
So I go over to twitter to see what 'Sir Scoots' has been saying about this. Latest tweet? Replying to someone saying "umadbro?". Slow clap for EG.


Seeing what the guy said to him,, it's understandable..
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
July 21 2011 10:47 GMT
#2393
The coach isn't condemning PuMa for leaving TSL. He is upset over HOW PuMa left TSL.

Please shut up about this whole "SC2 is global, not Korean" spiel. This has nothing to do with possessiveness, but a matter of ethical conduct.
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
July 21 2011 10:47 GMT
#2394
Keep in mind that all the information we've gotten so far has been a translation of a short article on PlayXP where they only apparently interviewed the manager of TSL, who obviously has a bias on the situation. There are no quotes from other parties in the deal and no comments from Puma on why he left and if money/travel was indeed the primary motivator.

So I'm willing to be open minded about all of this until all parties have had a chance to voice their statements.
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 10:48:47
July 21 2011 10:48 GMT
#2395
On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote:
TSL announced today that they will be releasing Puma on their team. The team revealed today that after Puma won NASL, Puma directly received interest from a foreign team, Evil Geniuses.

Manager Lee noted that "It is disappointing that we have to make a decision like this, but it's extremely objectionable [T/N: displeasing, disgusting, etc] that Evil Geniuses would ignore the coaches completely and directly go talk to the player"

TIG confirms that Puma will be joining Evil Geniuses. EG made an offer to Puma after they made it to the round of 4, and after that, Puma had decided that he would accept EG's offer. Puma revealed his intentions to the TSL manager after coming back to Korea. Manager Lee decided to respect the player's wishes in the end. He noted that "It's really disturbing. It feels like the player I raised was just stolen away from me.", adding that "There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this"

Puma had left the TSL house as of the 20th.

EG has been revealed to pay Puma a certain amount of salary, and to provide Puma with money for foreign tournaments.

http://www.playxp.com/news/read.php?news_id=3209550
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=709880&board=&category=13438&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=


Korean Sc teams need to learn about free agency and fair trade. Playing the game at that level is about money and prestige, if you cannot offer more than another team you do not deserve that player. This is not ScBw and teams don't deserve slave like control of their players.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 10:49:45
July 21 2011 10:48 GMT
#2396
The coach isn't condemning PuMa for leaving TSL. He is upset over HOW PuMa left TSL.


True, but what about Puma? Was he planning on leaving TSL anyway? It's not like he's the first player to leave from that team.

Right now, we only have statements from the coach, who obviously has a bias on the matter.
FILM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States663 Posts
July 21 2011 10:49 GMT
#2397
This is HUUUUUUUUUUGE, holy shit holy shit holy shit!! Hahaha I am grinning like an idiot, I could not be more happy for EG!
Artosis:  "It's like Detroit in there."   Tasteless:  "Lots of shootings and damaged buildings."
Azureflames
Profile Joined August 2010
United States35 Posts
July 21 2011 10:49 GMT
#2398
It's not as if the players have agents, or anyone really, looking to support their best interests(be it monetary or otherwise). That being said, it doesn't bother me that they approached the player instead of the coach/team manager. For all we know, if they had approached the coach first he could have tried to manipulate Puma into staying instead of presenting the offer from an objective point of view.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 10:51:36
July 21 2011 10:49 GMT
#2399
What exactly is he going to be doing in EG? Live in the US, kill his own training regimen and become mediocre? Live in Korea on his own, have no training house, and become mediocre? In what universe does this work out well for Puma?

And well, EG is EG. Professional BM-ing. Then again, if they ever want to win anything again this is the way to go. Have a few americans for the trolling/drama and a few koreans for results.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
July 21 2011 10:50 GMT
#2400
PuMa no! You just went from a likable person to a non-likable. Oh well good luck to him I suppose.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
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