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On July 15 2011 08:31 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 08:06 Drowsy wrote:
There's skill differences between Korea and America, but I think these mostly occur at the upper echelons and not among casual gamers. The whole reason for the skill difference is the abundance of pros/aspiring pros practicing 8+ hours a day. These guys are upper masters and grandmaster, and this is where the skill difference between koreans and Americans is pronounced, NOT at the sub-masters level. Korean platinum players are marginally less bad than American ones, they're still casual players. Claiming that korean diamond is somehow superior to mid American masters is just ludicrous and wrong. If the korean GM is far superior to NA GM(which it is), then the korean players that are equivalent to NA GM level will be forced into masters. These players will then force players that are NA masters level down into diamond and so on.
Millions of people play this game, and there are only 200 "Grand Master's" in any given server. Your logic doesn't scale properly.
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WOOOOOOO
I'm glad I liked SlayerS before this. Now I like them even more.
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Since SC2 teams are almost all-male, Slayers is probably the only team in which this sort of progress can be made (thanks to Slayers Jessica). Any other team would probably be inhospitable for girl gamers. I think this is a definite plus.
As for the reasons for bringing her on to the team -- time will tell us what those are. Hopefully they are respectable reasons (and not just publicity/private relationship reasons). People in this thread are naturally trying to come to conclusions based on how good she is, but no one's seen her play yet so we should back off that point. I would bet that she is not good enough to do well in GSL, but probably good enough to be useful in practice. It is also worth mentioning that Slayers does not (and should not) use her the way they use their star male players. She could travel around crushing everybody at female-only tournaments, play other smaller tournaments, be the spokeswoman for female gamers, &c. GSL is not the be-all end-all of progaming. Overall, I think she will be a very useful component to the Slayers team. (But once again, only time will tell.)
Cheers to Slayers.
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On July 15 2011 08:39 acrimoneyius wrote:
Millions of people play this game, and there are only 200 "Grand Master's" in any given server. Your logic doesn't scale properly.
Yes, but there are far more than 200 koreans who could make NA GM.
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On July 15 2011 08:45 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 08:39 acrimoneyius wrote:
Millions of people play this game, and there are only 200 "Grand Master's" in any given server. Your logic doesn't scale properly. Yes, but there are far more than 200 koreans who could make NA GM.
There are more than 200 North Americans who could make NA GM too most likely.
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On July 15 2011 08:55 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 08:45 DEN1ED wrote:On July 15 2011 08:39 acrimoneyius wrote:
Millions of people play this game, and there are only 200 "Grand Master's" in any given server. Your logic doesn't scale properly. Yes, but there are far more than 200 koreans who could make NA GM. There are more than 200 North Americans who could make NA GM too most likely.
And there are far more than 200 North Americans who could make NA GM, but there are obviously only 200 at a time.
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On July 15 2011 09:00 GummyZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 08:55 Mordiford wrote:On July 15 2011 08:45 DEN1ED wrote:On July 15 2011 08:39 acrimoneyius wrote:
Millions of people play this game, and there are only 200 "Grand Master's" in any given server. Your logic doesn't scale properly. Yes, but there are far more than 200 koreans who could make NA GM. There are more than 200 North Americans who could make NA GM too most likely. And there are far more than 200 North Americans who could make NA GM, but there are obviously only 200 at a time.
That's like... what I just said.
Unless I'm misunderstanding.
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Slayers does seem to have an eye for talent, considering it had slim pickings to choose from initially(at least from my understanding). I don't know if this is a gimick or not, but I hope her the best!
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On July 15 2011 08:39 acrimoneyius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 08:31 DEN1ED wrote:On July 15 2011 08:06 Drowsy wrote:
There's skill differences between Korea and America, but I think these mostly occur at the upper echelons and not among casual gamers. The whole reason for the skill difference is the abundance of pros/aspiring pros practicing 8+ hours a day. These guys are upper masters and grandmaster, and this is where the skill difference between koreans and Americans is pronounced, NOT at the sub-masters level. Korean platinum players are marginally less bad than American ones, they're still casual players. Claiming that korean diamond is somehow superior to mid American masters is just ludicrous and wrong. If the korean GM is far superior to NA GM(which it is), then the korean players that are equivalent to NA GM level will be forced into masters. These players will then force players that are NA masters level down into diamond and so on. Millions of people play this game, and there are only 200 "Grand Master's" in any given server. Your logic doesn't scale properly.
if you say it doesnt scale, you're assuming ONLY the kr GMs are more skilled than na GMs. what about masters? obviously kr masters is more skilled than na masters also. gm and masters is top 2.5% of whole population. if kr ladder had 2x as many skilled people, then top 5% of kr ladder would deserve to be in master/gm NA. that means the lower half of that would be pushed into diamond, which is 10% of population. already 1/4 of kr diamond deserve to be in na master. then it goes on and on after that for lower leagues. of course i pulled the "2x as many skilled" number out of my ass, but i'm pretty sure the number is larger than 2x
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Yes the top of the KR ladder is better than the NA ladder, it's because they have team houses and practice a ton more and all that jazz.
saying that the middle of the KR ladder ie diamond/plat is stronger than the top/(mid-top) of the NA ladder(masters) is just dumb
What makes the average korean who doesn't live in a team house or practices 10 hours a day better than a masters NA player?
Is it the Kimchi? is it genetics?
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interesting.
good news imo!
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On July 15 2011 08:35 DreamChaser wrote:
Does this new prog. have any BW background? or any really good SC2 achievements besides the amateur championship?
Well if you go to here fanpage(what?). You can see: "Played Brood War in elementary school where she also played Terran" so jeah, she played brood war and that's about it:\
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On July 15 2011 03:07 Sandro wrote:
LETS GROW ESPORTS GUYS AND MAKE IT MAINSTREAM
*alienates an entire gender and billions of people*
Signed.
Turns out arguments do not really make a lot of impact on TL as well as on pretty much any forum. I'll reside to statements like this in the future also. It's just not worth the effort.
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She is going to distract all the players she faces.
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hmm i think shes gonna get wit MMA 10 bucks i called it
then ryung is gonna get jealous even more 10 more bucks i called it :D
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SlayerS gonig above and beyond the game, now they are exploring psychological warfare.
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EDIT: Oops, misread post I quoted.
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On July 15 2011 11:11 Retgery wrote:
SlayerS gonig above and beyond the game, now they are exploring psychological warfare.
Eve's opponent: "I can't beat a girl, everyone will think I'm a jerk" *Forfeits all games
:D
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On July 15 2011 02:26 floor exercise wrote:Guess who else got scouted on their looks + Show Spoiler +
LOL! QFT
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Get her to stream on Team liquid with Cella, Dragon and that double secret BoxeR stream that were are not suppose to talk about but is really awesome.
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