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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 02:23:12
July 15 2011 02:22 GMT
#881
I still don't think you can compare her to Tossgirl. If Tossgirl left BW and went into SC2, every team should be trying to sign her. Tossgirl is a very accomplished player and can crush most of the Korean amateurs and can hang with most of the B-teamers. She sucks compared to the A-teamers, but so does everyone else in the world.

Tossgirl could probably do really well in SC2 if she transitioned. Eve seems more of a fan of MMA-turned-into-progamer project that Boxer/Jessica are taking on. I doubt she is any good right now, but seeing as Jessica recruited her, I'm sure that if she has the passion for the game, that she'll improve ten fold in six months.

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
July 15 2011 02:23 GMT
#882
On July 15 2011 08:42 mangoloid wrote:
Since SC2 teams are almost all-male, Slayers is probably the only team in which this sort of progress can be made (thanks to Slayers Jessica). Any other team would probably be inhospitable for girl gamers. I think this is a definite plus.

As for the reasons for bringing her on to the team -- time will tell us what those are. Hopefully they are respectable reasons (and not just publicity/private relationship reasons). People in this thread are naturally trying to come to conclusions based on how good she is, but no one's seen her play yet so we should back off that point. I would bet that she is not good enough to do well in GSL, but probably good enough to be useful in practice. It is also worth mentioning that Slayers does not (and should not) use her the way they use their star male players. She could travel around crushing everybody at female-only tournaments, play other smaller tournaments, be the spokeswoman for female gamers, &c. GSL is not the be-all end-all of progaming. Overall, I think she will be a very useful component to the Slayers team. (But once again, only time will tell.)

Cheers to Slayers.

Fantastic post.

Time will tell the story behind her being on the team. We just need to be patient and trust that SlayerS knows what they're doing. I'm positive they do.
#TeamBuLba
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
July 15 2011 02:24 GMT
#883
Haha, wonder if SlayerS will do their "Booty Smack" ceremony on her if she wins...

/thread
iRaYP
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland66 Posts
July 15 2011 02:29 GMT
#884
Im sure Diamond on KR is of a slightly better standard than EU(where I am currently in Diamond) but I also believe that it wont be that much of a better standard of play as its not korean genes/genetics that make the Koreans dominant but rather the work ethic of the Top pro's so im not sure how much that will filter down the ladder since the players lower than the top will be playing more similar times to non-Koreans. Im sure she will improve lots though and if they truly believe that she is talented and able to compete at the top, what better team to join.
Herp Derp
Salix
Profile Joined March 2011
New Zealand16 Posts
July 15 2011 02:30 GMT
#885
It's kind of sad that she was recruited at least partially on looks, but really, that's business.

Don't think that kind of behavior is exclusively directed towards female gamers, they want players that are marketable. MC is a superhero in SC2 not just because of his amazing skill, but his fan interaction. He's a showman, and a walking advert for OGs. It just turns out that the majority of SC2 fans are male, so when it comes to recruiting a female gamer into your team, her looks is a relevant consideration for marketing. It's sad perhaps better female gamers aren't recruited because of their looks, but SC teams are a business, and hot girls are a better investment.
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
July 15 2011 02:32 GMT
#886
On July 15 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
I still don't think you can compare her to Tossgirl. If Tossgirl left BW and went into SC2, every team should be trying to sign her. Tossgirl is a very accomplished player and can crush most of the Korean amateurs and can hang with most of the B-teamers. She sucks compared to the A-teamers, but so does everyone else in the world.

Tossgirl could probably do really well in SC2 if she transitioned. Eve seems more of a fan of MMA-turned-into-progamer project that Boxer/Jessica are taking on. I doubt she is any good right now, but seeing as Jessica recruited her, I'm sure that if she has the passion for the game, that she'll improve ten fold in six months.



Is tossgirl still playing BW then? Seems to me she could make a big splash and probably a lot of money if she switched to SC2
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 15 2011 02:33 GMT
#887
On July 15 2011 11:32 happyness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
I still don't think you can compare her to Tossgirl. If Tossgirl left BW and went into SC2, every team should be trying to sign her. Tossgirl is a very accomplished player and can crush most of the Korean amateurs and can hang with most of the B-teamers. She sucks compared to the A-teamers, but so does everyone else in the world.

Tossgirl could probably do really well in SC2 if she transitioned. Eve seems more of a fan of MMA-turned-into-progamer project that Boxer/Jessica are taking on. I doubt she is any good right now, but seeing as Jessica recruited her, I'm sure that if she has the passion for the game, that she'll improve ten fold in six months.



Is tossgirl still playing BW then? Seems to me she could make a big splash and probably a lot of money if she switched to SC2

If she does switch I dearly hope she either a.) plays Protoss or b.) changes her user handle.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 15 2011 02:36 GMT
#888
On July 15 2011 11:32 happyness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
I still don't think you can compare her to Tossgirl. If Tossgirl left BW and went into SC2, every team should be trying to sign her. Tossgirl is a very accomplished player and can crush most of the Korean amateurs and can hang with most of the B-teamers. She sucks compared to the A-teamers, but so does everyone else in the world.

Tossgirl could probably do really well in SC2 if she transitioned. Eve seems more of a fan of MMA-turned-into-progamer project that Boxer/Jessica are taking on. I doubt she is any good right now, but seeing as Jessica recruited her, I'm sure that if she has the passion for the game, that she'll improve ten fold in six months.



Is tossgirl still playing BW then? Seems to me she could make a big splash and probably a lot of money if she switched to SC2


Yeah, she's still on STX. She tried to qualify for MSL a few weeks ago; beat some rookie B-teamer from Stars 2-0 but then had to face Jangbi and got 2-0'd.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 02:47:34
July 15 2011 02:45 GMT
#889
On July 15 2011 11:32 happyness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 11:22 Fionn wrote:
I still don't think you can compare her to Tossgirl. If Tossgirl left BW and went into SC2, every team should be trying to sign her. Tossgirl is a very accomplished player and can crush most of the Korean amateurs and can hang with most of the B-teamers. She sucks compared to the A-teamers, but so does everyone else in the world.

Tossgirl could probably do really well in SC2 if she transitioned. Eve seems more of a fan of MMA-turned-into-progamer project that Boxer/Jessica are taking on. I doubt she is any good right now, but seeing as Jessica recruited her, I'm sure that if she has the passion for the game, that she'll improve ten fold in six months.



Is tossgirl still playing BW then? Seems to me she could make a big splash and probably a lot of money if she switched to SC2


Yes she was in MSL qualifier. Who knows if she changes game? Eve on the other hand will have to prove herself to deal with the backlash that has already occurred.
There's no S in KT. :P
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
July 15 2011 02:45 GMT
#890
On July 15 2011 07:35 Starp wrote:
...what if there was something lost in translation. For example, looks could be a person's 'appearance' towards the game. It could be that Eve showed a lot of motivation, composure, maturity, etc during a test interview and Jessica was impressed by what she saw in Eve and her play on the computer. Hence, she looks good (to be a progamer) and is skillful.

...it would be cool to see female progamers in sc2 and I think it would be good for esports.

...yup, she is cute.

No, the korean translation specifically means appearance
Atasu
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada98 Posts
July 15 2011 02:45 GMT
#891
As some guys said earlier, I dont watch SC for girls,however if she is actually like tier 1, Ill become a fan/be impressed. I have a ominous feeling she will disappear into obscurity after a month or two, unless her and jessica are best gf's, then who knows.
denzelz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States604 Posts
July 15 2011 02:46 GMT
#892
On July 15 2011 11:23 garlicface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 08:42 mangoloid wrote:
Since SC2 teams are almost all-male, Slayers is probably the only team in which this sort of progress can be made (thanks to Slayers Jessica). Any other team would probably be inhospitable for girl gamers. I think this is a definite plus.

As for the reasons for bringing her on to the team -- time will tell us what those are. Hopefully they are respectable reasons (and not just publicity/private relationship reasons). People in this thread are naturally trying to come to conclusions based on how good she is, but no one's seen her play yet so we should back off that point. I would bet that she is not good enough to do well in GSL, but probably good enough to be useful in practice. It is also worth mentioning that Slayers does not (and should not) use her the way they use their star male players. She could travel around crushing everybody at female-only tournaments, play other smaller tournaments, be the spokeswoman for female gamers, &c. GSL is not the be-all end-all of progaming. Overall, I think she will be a very useful component to the Slayers team. (But once again, only time will tell.)

Cheers to Slayers.

Fantastic post.

Time will tell the story behind her being on the team. We just need to be patient and trust that SlayerS knows what they're doing. I'm positive they do.


I agree. Incredible post. People should read this instead of making a TON of random assumptions that they know nothing about.
ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 02:55:12
July 15 2011 02:53 GMT
#893
On July 15 2011 06:26 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 06:05 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On July 15 2011 06:03 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
On July 14 2011 18:28 Gao Xi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
She also added that she played the original game in elementary school


Good enough I guess right?

If they are going to recruit girls why can't they actually just choose girls who are actually competent in the game? There are tons of them out there. This girl is gold/diamond? Can the Slayers team make it any more obvious that they just chose her b/c of her looks/the fact that she is a girl?

Come on now.


Are you insulting Boxer and his wifes lack of scouting ability when you in fact do not know how good this girl is besides testimony?


Apparently!

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 06:05 Ocedic wrote:
On July 15 2011 06:03 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
On July 14 2011 18:28 Gao Xi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
She also added that she played the original game in elementary school


Good enough I guess right?

If they are going to recruit girls why can't they actually just choose girls who are actually competent in the game? There are tons of them out there. This girl is gold/diamond? Can the Slayers team make it any more obvious that they just chose her b/c of her looks/the fact that she is a girl?

Come on now.


How many girls in Masters/GM are there? And as many have pointed out in the thread, the point isn't to recruit a top player. Slayers (and more important, Boxer) has always been about finding untapped potential in players.

I'm not saying this girl will become a bonjwa, but writing her off just because she isn't hot shit at this very moment is a crucial mistake that MMA's and iloveoov's victims made.


There are definitely quite a few masters level girls based off girl interviews I've read on this website, gm I am not sure though.

I don't understand this whole "potential" concept though, or recruiting people based off of potential. Either you've done well and have evidence to prove it, or simply put you haven't tried yet. Everybody in the world has potential, I don't see why somebody who's gold/diamond should get into a fairly prestigious team because she has "potential".

It's like applying for a CEO position in which you have very little education or work experience but claiming that you have potential. If managers hired everybody with "potential", they would hire practically every person who applied. In reality that does not work out because most "potential" cases don't end up being successful. That's why managers/companies hire people who have work experience/education because they know that they have done work in the past that will prove that they will most likely be successful in this position, therefore ensuring a greater possibility that the managers don't need to do more work and find other employees to replace this one.

Same concept with teams who recruit new members. If teams just recruited a bunch of gold/plat players with potential...most likely you won't end up with a GM/masters team. In terms of hiring this girl...clearly she has very little credentials. She played BW when she was in elementary...that's like saying I want to apply to become a computer programmer and I learned how to use the keyboard when I was in grade 5. There is no evidence as far as I can tell that she is even close to masters...hell GM or has ever even won a tourney. Clearly no resume of starcraft high-level experience...so why would they hire her? If you can prove this to me I've love to hear it, but my argument simply comes back to the point that they simply hired her b/c she is a girl. That is the only explanation I can think of when I try to think why they recruited her.

Edit:

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 06:18 canikizu wrote:
On July 15 2011 06:03 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
On July 14 2011 18:28 Gao Xi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
She also added that she played the original game in elementary school


Good enough I guess right?

If they are going to recruit girls why can't they actually just choose girls who are actually competent in the game? There are tons of them out there. This girl is gold/diamond? Can the Slayers team make it any more obvious that they just chose her b/c of her looks/the fact that she is a girl?

Come on now.

Are you sure there're tons of them out there in Korea that are master/GM? Can you name some?


Couldn't name a single one for you. I can't imagine that the best girl in korea is Gold/diamond though...that'd be absurd. If megumixbear is what...masters? And she lives in NA? I seriously cannot imagine that they are no masters level girls in korea considering how many people play that game over there.


LOL man, it's called the circle of life. Life isn't fair, sometimes PEOPLE get OPPORTUNITIES others don't get. Like how YOU were born in a great country where you could drink water, unlike AFRICA. Take it all in man, and accept that fact

By your terms I think you'd want everyone in Africa that are "well-deserved" into US/Canada and other developed countries for a better life, but GUESS WAT. It's very difficult to happen due to something called ECONOMY and other FACTORS
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 02:59:56
July 15 2011 02:58 GMT
#894
Ehhhhh... saying you picked a player based on looks is pretty dumb even if it is why. That's some seriously questionable wording on Jessica's part.

She's no tossgirl in the looks department so I'm hoping she's really good.
HappyZerGling
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Ukraine161 Posts
July 15 2011 02:59 GMT
#895
good news
happy me, happy skill, happy win :D twitch.tv/happyzerg https://twitter.com/HappyZerG1
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
July 15 2011 03:03 GMT
#896
picking players based on looks happened with male players in sc:bw too. Its more marketable to have a good looking pro gamer when 60% of fans are girls etc. It's nothing new. I mean hwasin's modeling deals/advertisements is a good example. I remember an estro saying since they had so many good terrans they only would recruit a really good looking terran player.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
July 15 2011 03:13 GMT
#897
Wow, I thought TL was smarter than this on average. I could go make an account under the name IMNestea right now and lose 4 placement matches and still end up in Gold. People really think she's in Gold? Keep in mind the greatest Starcraft talent scout in the world approved of her recruitment.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
July 15 2011 03:15 GMT
#898
Wa. Excited to see this new player!
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
iRaYP
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland66 Posts
July 15 2011 03:18 GMT
#899
On July 15 2011 12:13 Greggle wrote:
Wow, I thought TL was smarter than this on average. I could go make an account under the name IMNestea right now and lose 4 placement matches and still end up in Gold. People really think she's in Gold? Keep in mind the greatest Starcraft talent scout in the world approved of her recruitment.


She is in diamond on her "main/first" account, Not tearing the ladder up atm anyway
Herp Derp
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
July 15 2011 03:21 GMT
#900
On July 15 2011 11:53 ShootingStars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 06:26 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
On July 15 2011 06:05 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On July 15 2011 06:03 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
On July 14 2011 18:28 Gao Xi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
She also added that she played the original game in elementary school


Good enough I guess right?

If they are going to recruit girls why can't they actually just choose girls who are actually competent in the game? There are tons of them out there. This girl is gold/diamond? Can the Slayers team make it any more obvious that they just chose her b/c of her looks/the fact that she is a girl?

Come on now.


Are you insulting Boxer and his wifes lack of scouting ability when you in fact do not know how good this girl is besides testimony?


Apparently!

On July 15 2011 06:05 Ocedic wrote:
On July 15 2011 06:03 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
On July 14 2011 18:28 Gao Xi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
She also added that she played the original game in elementary school


Good enough I guess right?

If they are going to recruit girls why can't they actually just choose girls who are actually competent in the game? There are tons of them out there. This girl is gold/diamond? Can the Slayers team make it any more obvious that they just chose her b/c of her looks/the fact that she is a girl?

Come on now.


How many girls in Masters/GM are there? And as many have pointed out in the thread, the point isn't to recruit a top player. Slayers (and more important, Boxer) has always been about finding untapped potential in players.

I'm not saying this girl will become a bonjwa, but writing her off just because she isn't hot shit at this very moment is a crucial mistake that MMA's and iloveoov's victims made.


There are definitely quite a few masters level girls based off girl interviews I've read on this website, gm I am not sure though.

I don't understand this whole "potential" concept though, or recruiting people based off of potential. Either you've done well and have evidence to prove it, or simply put you haven't tried yet. Everybody in the world has potential, I don't see why somebody who's gold/diamond should get into a fairly prestigious team because she has "potential".

It's like applying for a CEO position in which you have very little education or work experience but claiming that you have potential. If managers hired everybody with "potential", they would hire practically every person who applied. In reality that does not work out because most "potential" cases don't end up being successful. That's why managers/companies hire people who have work experience/education because they know that they have done work in the past that will prove that they will most likely be successful in this position, therefore ensuring a greater possibility that the managers don't need to do more work and find other employees to replace this one.

Same concept with teams who recruit new members. If teams just recruited a bunch of gold/plat players with potential...most likely you won't end up with a GM/masters team. In terms of hiring this girl...clearly she has very little credentials. She played BW when she was in elementary...that's like saying I want to apply to become a computer programmer and I learned how to use the keyboard when I was in grade 5. There is no evidence as far as I can tell that she is even close to masters...hell GM or has ever even won a tourney. Clearly no resume of starcraft high-level experience...so why would they hire her? If you can prove this to me I've love to hear it, but my argument simply comes back to the point that they simply hired her b/c she is a girl. That is the only explanation I can think of when I try to think why they recruited her.

Edit:

On July 15 2011 06:18 canikizu wrote:
On July 15 2011 06:03 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
On July 14 2011 18:28 Gao Xi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
She also added that she played the original game in elementary school


Good enough I guess right?

If they are going to recruit girls why can't they actually just choose girls who are actually competent in the game? There are tons of them out there. This girl is gold/diamond? Can the Slayers team make it any more obvious that they just chose her b/c of her looks/the fact that she is a girl?

Come on now.

Are you sure there're tons of them out there in Korea that are master/GM? Can you name some?


Couldn't name a single one for you. I can't imagine that the best girl in korea is Gold/diamond though...that'd be absurd. If megumixbear is what...masters? And she lives in NA? I seriously cannot imagine that they are no masters level girls in korea considering how many people play that game over there.


LOL man, it's called the circle of life. Life isn't fair, sometimes PEOPLE get OPPORTUNITIES others don't get. Like how YOU were born in a great country where you could drink water, unlike AFRICA. Take it all in man, and accept that fact

By your terms I think you'd want everyone in Africa that are "well-deserved" into US/Canada and other developed countries for a better life, but GUESS WAT. It's very difficult to happen due to something called ECONOMY and other FACTORS

I agree with the general message but, uh, you gotta work on your execution. The random caps does not help.
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