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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On July 15 2011 07:01 Protoss_Carrier wrote: SC2 will eventually become more entertaining to watch due to the need to outsmart your opponent. >Implying this doesn't happen in BW. Okay. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
How do everyone who loves the "mechanics" argument defend against this parody? Hotkeying building is easy compared to Warcraft 2 where you had to go to base and manually build stuff. The skill cieling is lowered with the addition of bigger control groups and being able to hotkey production buildings. BW would be alot better without all the pandering to all the casuals of the 90's. Players would differentiate themselves on the INSANE mechanics required for Warcraft 2 as it was way harder to play and had more hurdles to jump, BW is casual and should not be considered a esport. - That's how all these complains sounds to me, BW did fine even if it provided UI/AI improvements and SC2 will do fine. (I know there's more to WC2 vs BW but it's just a fun example) | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
I think karpo sums it up nicely, all this whine is unjustified, majority of people are just biased ~~ While some arguments are great to ponder on I think SC2 can develop as good as it's predecessor. There's just different things people will be great in, macro isn't the only important thing in RTS games. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
Anything above a one button mouse is pandering to noobs. SC2 is doing nothing wrong in it's attempt to be user friendly. The larger te player pool the more accurate the champion is at the end of the day. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
he's implying that brain power should be focused less on right clicking mineral patches and put more into multitasking. | ||
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
On July 15 2011 07:30 lorkac wrote: he's implying that brain power should be focused less on right clicking mineral patches and put more into multitasking. BW progamers don't even have to think about macroing. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On July 15 2011 07:28 lorkac wrote: I repeat again. All an RTS needs is a mouse with one button. Remove the keyboard and remove the right click and you have the bare minimum to be able to play an RTS. Anything above a one button mouse is pandering to noobs. SC2 is doing nothing wrong in it's attempt to be user friendly. The larger te player pool the more accurate the champion is at the end of the day. What're you talking about? A true bonjwa plays with no keyboard + a touchpad. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On July 15 2011 07:33 ZeroChrome wrote: Implying that BW players at progamer level even have to think about macroing. Is this thread getting so shitty that we're down to the >implying bs from 4chan? | ||
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noobcakes
United States526 Posts
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
On July 15 2011 07:35 karpo wrote: Is this thread getting so shitty that we're down to the >implying bs from 4chan? fixed. I didn't realize that was a 4chan thing. | ||
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Kgst
United States45 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On July 15 2011 07:37 ZeroChrome wrote: fixed. I didn't realize that was a 4chan thing. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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puppykiller
United States3130 Posts
On July 15 2011 07:19 karpo wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mxypu9WC8c How do everyone who loves the "mechanics" argument defend against this parody? Hotkeying building is easy compared to Warcraft 2 where you had to go to base and manually build stuff. The skill cieling is lowered with the addition of bigger control groups and being able to hotkey production buildings. BW would be alot better without all the pandering to all the casuals of the 90's. Players would differentiate themselves on the INSANE mechanics required for Warcraft 2 as it was way harder to play and had more hurdles to jump, BW is casual and should not be considered a esport. - That's how all these complains sounds to me, BW did fine even if it provided UI/AI improvements and SC2 will do fine. actually war2 has 0 micro and only one viable race. The skill ceiling is waaay lower... the only thing hard in war2 is macro... thats it. It's not just that sc2 is easier than BW... its that its ridiculously easier then BW Also you can hotkey buildings and make control groups in war2. | ||
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_awake_
196 Posts
Nah, IcedBacon is only implying that it will become more entertaining than it is at the moment. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3130 Posts
On July 15 2011 07:51 _awake_ wrote: Nah, IcedBacon is only implying that it will become more entertaining than it is at the moment. I think its more about making the platinum player watching the game who has only the vaguest understanding of strategy think that the game is "strategic" | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On July 15 2011 07:54 puppykiller wrote: I think its more about making the platinum player watching the game who has only the vaguest understanding of strategy think that the game is "strategic" So the game isn't strategic? | ||
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puppykiller
United States3130 Posts
ya | ||
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Lumire
United States607 Posts
What sc2 will degenerate into is build order vs build order due to there being 0 difference between the pros mechanics wise. So if you call choosing a build order that counters his build order before the game even starts strategy and outsmarting your opponent then yeah sc2 is going be very strategic. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
making mistakes. SC2: Macro is easy but the game rewards perfect play. I wonder which sounds more appealing? | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
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