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MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
July 05 2011 23:10 GMT
#121
I have been loving Puzzle. (And I play Terran) He is such a champ. I really think he is going to win Code A.
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 23:15:52
July 05 2011 23:15 GMT
#122
On July 06 2011 08:01 LeakyBucket wrote:
I would really lie to see a foreigner version of this! Good read btw.


Only really Idra 'leads' his race, and that's more in the eyes of the community than other players anyway. Most players look up to the best Koreans, because well, they're the best.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 05 2011 23:30 GMT
#123
A nice article, and well written, but I have 1 question?
Why does no one even mention oGsTOP? He won Code A, got to the semi finals of the ST and was the only player even close to beating Polt. He knocked out Nestea. He's a beast, and he's already proven himself against top (pardon the pun) players. He's got to be considered at the forefront of his race right now.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 05 2011 23:32 GMT
#124
I just can't get behind sCfoU as the King of Terran.

Just... no.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
July 05 2011 23:36 GMT
#125
All I know is that all of a sudden, ZeNEX became good. They have rising stars for each race after long being the worst team.
UKSCgAn
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom57 Posts
July 05 2011 23:38 GMT
#126
Just watching fOu vs. NSHoSeo GSTL match and wow, Sage is so so good.

Just such an intelligent player.
MVP HWAITING!
manicshock
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada741 Posts
July 05 2011 23:45 GMT
#127
On July 06 2011 05:50 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 05:46 Whitewing wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:37 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:24 Whitewing wrote:
No foreigners at all?

There are a number of foreigners who are considered to be some of the best players period (by the Koreans), like Thorzain and HuK.

Thorzain in particular has a number of Korean Pro players (like MC and MMA) on record saying how amazingly good he is.


Thorzain is not even amongst the top 10 Terran's worldwide. He's way too inconsistant and one 3-2 win over MC aside (having since lost 4-2 and 2-0 to MC in his worst matchup) has done little to prove he's up there with the S Class guys.


Other than the word of Korean Progamers themselves (MC said he has top 5 TvP in the world easily), every person who plays against him says he's a serious threat. I can't wait to see him in the GSL :D


Thorzain's a very good player and when he's good he's really good. But he still gets knocked out of tournaments by players like Tarson and didn't make it out of the groups at Dreamhack, at MLG he was knocked out by MC but he still dropped a game to Ret. He lost in the Open Tournament for NASL to TSL Revival. So yeah, he's got a long way to go before we put him up to the level of guys like MKP, MVP, Bomber, SCFou, Nada and MMA.

Tarson was on a roll in Homestory Cup and he had a really strong group in Dreamhack. Ret is top 5 foreigner zergs imo (Nerchio, IdrA, Dimaga, MorroW, Ret. Lalush in a fairly close 6th, not in order). His TvP is top notch, and his TvT/TvZ aren't quite up to that point yet. I wouldn't bash Thorzain too much though.
Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 23:56:49
July 05 2011 23:53 GMT
#128
On July 06 2011 08:08 drgonzhere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 08:02 MechKing wrote:
On July 06 2011 08:00 drgonzhere wrote:
On July 06 2011 07:58 MechKing wrote:
On July 06 2011 07:54 drgonzhere wrote:
On July 06 2011 07:46 MechKing wrote:
On July 06 2011 07:34 drgonzhere wrote:
On July 06 2011 07:33 MechKing wrote:
It's weird that you put puma in there over so many other terrans. Byun, Alive, Supernova, TOP, Clide, Virus, Ensnare, Keen, Nada etc. but you pick Puma? lol.


Did you read the purpose of the write up?

I'm not quite sure I understand it. You put sC and Polt in there but you also put in Puma and MMA? Are these supposed to be all up and comers or what? If it's supposed to be up and comers, why no Ganzi, Taeja, IceCream, Hack, asd, Ryung, Sculp, Jjakji?


Because none of these except for Ganzi, have produced any incredibly meaningful results. If you're insinuating that sC and Polt are old institutions of the Terran race, I disagree completely. While they may have been around for a while, there skills have increased dramatically in the past month or two. I'm sorry I don't have time to write about every single Terran who has picked up a couple games. These are just the ones that impressed the most. I mean Polt went from being one of the worst in Code S to a Super Tournament Champion. I mean if you have the time to write detailed descriptions of all of those Terrans and their play style be my guest.

sC went through code A into S in one try and Polt has stayed in code S the whole time. I just thought it was weird that you put two code S players and 2 Code B players in there. You could put so many more players in there lol.


Being in Code S doesn't equal being good. They were not great players until very recently. Code's don't matter skill does.

So Code S players aren't good. I learned something new today. So you think Puma is better overall than most of the Terrans in code S or A just because he got some results recently? Of course the codes matter. Puma hasn't gotten into code A, yet you say he can become one of the best in the world. Stop being so ridiculous.


You are the one who is being ridiculous. I didn't say code S players are bad. I said just because you are in Code S doesn't mean you are one of the best players of your race, or at least an UP AND COMING player of your race, which is what the write up is about. That is a perfectly rational viewpoint to have. Look at players like MMA, DRG, and yes Puma. Have you ever seen Puma play? Do you really think that MarineKing is better than him at T v T after watching him play? Even KawaiiRice has responded in this thread as to how amazing Puma is. Idk maybe you have a problem with Puma, did he do something to you? Did he ruin your fantasy GSTL?


First of all, you said "being code S doesn't equal being good" which is just idiotic. And yes, being code S DOES make you one of the best players of your race. Are you srsly going to say that Puma is a better player than any of the code S Terrans? And yes I've seen him play. MarineKing IS a better player than puma overall. Maybe not TvT, but that is only because puma played a better style than MarineKing. If you knew anything about TvT you would realize that mech is way easier to use and better than bio is. If Puma was so good he would have qualified by now. You don't even have Bomber in your list too -.- Please enlighten me, who exactly is puma better than? He has one good matchup in TvT. It's funny how you don't even mention Hack or asd, who have both gotten good results as well. Hack got an all kill vs. FXO and he got 2nd in two TL Opens. asd got into code A and beat Boxer and Jinro. What about IMHappy? What about Tassadar? What about Ryung? What about Taeja? But you don't mention any of them, because they aren't hyped enough by Artosis, correct?
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 23:57:20
July 05 2011 23:55 GMT
#129
double post
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 05 2011 23:56 GMT
#130
On July 06 2011 08:45 manicshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 05:50 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:46 Whitewing wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:37 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:24 Whitewing wrote:
No foreigners at all?

There are a number of foreigners who are considered to be some of the best players period (by the Koreans), like Thorzain and HuK.

Thorzain in particular has a number of Korean Pro players (like MC and MMA) on record saying how amazingly good he is.


Thorzain is not even amongst the top 10 Terran's worldwide. He's way too inconsistant and one 3-2 win over MC aside (having since lost 4-2 and 2-0 to MC in his worst matchup) has done little to prove he's up there with the S Class guys.


Other than the word of Korean Progamers themselves (MC said he has top 5 TvP in the world easily), every person who plays against him says he's a serious threat. I can't wait to see him in the GSL :D


Thorzain's a very good player and when he's good he's really good. But he still gets knocked out of tournaments by players like Tarson and didn't make it out of the groups at Dreamhack, at MLG he was knocked out by MC but he still dropped a game to Ret. He lost in the Open Tournament for NASL to TSL Revival. So yeah, he's got a long way to go before we put him up to the level of guys like MKP, MVP, Bomber, SCFou, Nada and MMA.

Tarson was on a roll in Homestory Cup and he had a really strong group in Dreamhack. Ret is top 5 foreigner zergs imo (Nerchio, IdrA, Dimaga, MorroW, Ret. Lalush in a fairly close 6th, not in order). His TvP is top notch, and his TvT/TvZ aren't quite up to that point yet. I wouldn't bash Thorzain too much though.


The issue isn't that Ret isn't a good player, it's that a top Code S player shouldn't be losing to any foreigners, nevermind a top 5 foreign Zerg.
alepov
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands1132 Posts
July 05 2011 23:57 GMT
#131
damn i wanna see those Sage games now cos of this hyping.
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
July 05 2011 23:59 GMT
#132
On July 06 2011 08:30 MCDayC wrote:
A nice article, and well written, but I have 1 question?
Why does no one even mention oGsTOP? He won Code A, got to the semi finals of the ST and was the only player even close to beating Polt. He knocked out Nestea. He's a beast, and he's already proven himself against top (pardon the pun) players. He's got to be considered at the forefront of his race right now.

Think the OP is discussing newer players, TOP was always considered to be good, even when he was in code A. But polt was consider to be bad by many for a long time and Sc was "just another Fou player"
Malgrif
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1095 Posts
July 06 2011 00:02 GMT
#133
i wish there was a power rank for SC2 this was actually quite enjoyable to read like the power rank =)
for there to be pro there has to be noob.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
July 06 2011 00:06 GMT
#134
On July 06 2011 08:56 lunchforthesky wrote:

The issue isn't that Ret isn't a good player, it's that a top Code S player shouldn't be losing to any foreigners, nevermind a top 5 foreign Zerg.
This makes no sense. Especially when you consider Ret's style which will catch people offguard at least once, especially when considering that the Korean Zerg norm is a lot more agressive early game.
#freeshauni
manicshock
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada741 Posts
July 06 2011 00:11 GMT
#135
On July 06 2011 08:56 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 08:45 manicshock wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:50 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:46 Whitewing wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:37 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:24 Whitewing wrote:
No foreigners at all?

There are a number of foreigners who are considered to be some of the best players period (by the Koreans), like Thorzain and HuK.

Thorzain in particular has a number of Korean Pro players (like MC and MMA) on record saying how amazingly good he is.


Thorzain is not even amongst the top 10 Terran's worldwide. He's way too inconsistant and one 3-2 win over MC aside (having since lost 4-2 and 2-0 to MC in his worst matchup) has done little to prove he's up there with the S Class guys.


Other than the word of Korean Progamers themselves (MC said he has top 5 TvP in the world easily), every person who plays against him says he's a serious threat. I can't wait to see him in the GSL :D


Thorzain's a very good player and when he's good he's really good. But he still gets knocked out of tournaments by players like Tarson and didn't make it out of the groups at Dreamhack, at MLG he was knocked out by MC but he still dropped a game to Ret. He lost in the Open Tournament for NASL to TSL Revival. So yeah, he's got a long way to go before we put him up to the level of guys like MKP, MVP, Bomber, SCFou, Nada and MMA.

Tarson was on a roll in Homestory Cup and he had a really strong group in Dreamhack. Ret is top 5 foreigner zergs imo (Nerchio, IdrA, Dimaga, MorroW, Ret. Lalush in a fairly close 6th, not in order). His TvP is top notch, and his TvT/TvZ aren't quite up to that point yet. I wouldn't bash Thorzain too much though.


The issue isn't that Ret isn't a good player, it's that a top Code S player shouldn't be losing to any foreigners, nevermind a top 5 foreign Zerg.


Haypro took games off both Bomber and Losira. Does this disqualify them as top players in their race? Or does it say Haypro is doing well recently? Nestea hasn't made it past round 1 in any foreigner tourney. MC got knocked down to the losers bracket in Homestory Cup by Naniwa, in the matchup where he was considered the best (might've changed since the WG nerf though).
Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Sayer
Profile Joined August 2009
United States403 Posts
July 06 2011 00:13 GMT
#136
I heard Korean commentator saying Coca has sick sick ZvP according to MC and other protoss
Kuub
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada48 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-06 00:14:08
July 06 2011 00:13 GMT
#137
Although I haven't seen a lot of his play, I think (T)Hack is definitely someone to look out for. Maybe doesn't have enough results to be called an up and comer yet, but I think he could definitely be a force in the future.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 06 2011 00:17 GMT
#138
I have no doubt that the other protosses are good but I still believe there's only one protoss above all and that's still MC. Like NesTea he has been top of his race.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
GMonster
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
686 Posts
July 06 2011 00:21 GMT
#139
You need to add IMHappy he was a beast in Warcraft 3 and has been playing less then grubby moon and lyn and is now a beast.
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Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
July 06 2011 00:31 GMT
#140
On July 06 2011 09:21 GoKu` wrote:
You need to add IMHappy he was a beast in Warcraft 3 and has been playing less then grubby moon and lyn and is now a beast.

The WC3 Happy is the European Happy (Empire), not the Korean Happy (IM).
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