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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:16 lunchforthesky wrote: He's already a top player. Most of his vs T loses have been to SC and MMA, who are both extremely good vs Z. Feels like he loses to just about everyone ZvT. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=688&part=games&league=standard&vs=T | ||
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
Edit: I am really looking forward to seeing Puzzle play. That guy is so gosu. Also one of the fastest players in the game. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
Everything else id have to pretty much agree with- especially since MVP did not make it past his group this GSL season- tsk tsk... | ||
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Hondelul
1999 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:53 IcedBacon wrote: ...LosirA? You should not throw a single name out there. drgonzhere made a great post and put many effort in it. If some think there are other players to mention they should at least write a few lines why they consider them. Recent result, their weaknesses and strengh etc. I would not consider Thorzain a top T at the moment, he had good results but in big tournaments beside TSL he didn´t really shine yet. I´m sure after a few month in Korea you can put him at the top (hope so), the same with Naniwa. HuK I would put up there, but fighting through the GSL against MANY top players will be show his strenght. DH showed his potential but he was a bit lucky with the bracket, really (REALLY) don´t want to talk him down but he himself said in his interview Naniwa knocked both you and MC into the lower bracket. In the lower bracket, you defeated MC 3-1 and made it to the Grand Finals, where you exacted revenge on Naniwa. Are you the PvP Master? To what do you attribute your success? Top 3 control? Huk: No, definitely not. I got lucky in a lot of games and had a few BO wins, but also came back in a lot of situations I shouldn't have with some good control or special tactics. Hard work. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:22 Wuster wrote: Feels like he loses to just about everyone ZvT. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=688&part=games&league=standard&vs=T So, since March when he won Code A (I don't think there's any worth in anything before that) he's lost in ZvT versus Polt, MKP, MMA, SC and Bomber. None of those are terrible losses they are all amongst the very, very best Terran's. If you look at his international TLPD, you'll see he has no trouble beating average Terran's so his ZvT is hardly awful it's just weaker, which is not too suprising given he has the second best ZvZ and ZvP in the world. | ||
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
He's good at ZvZ, ZvP, but his ZvT is not that of a top Zerg. edit: no he's the third best ZvZ, Zenio exists, and he's 15-6 against arguably a stronger line of Zergs. Plus, 4 of those losses come from NesTea. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:05 SafeAsCheese wrote: I don't see how you can include DRG yet exclude Bomber, who has better stats in almost every matchup Because the Terrans that bomber has to compete with (polt, sc, etc) are much better than the zergs that DRG has to compete with. Losira needs to fix his ZvT before we can talk about him as a boss zerg. He's as dominating in vP and vZ as Nestea is, but in IM's first GSTL match this year, he got eaten ALIVE by sC. DRG on the other hand needs to step up his late game. He's a fantastic mid game and early game player, but in comparison to those two, his late game is a bit "lacking". That's what is holding him back from being considered at a Nestea/Top Zerg level. ST_Curious, July, and Slayers_Min have all had impressive runs as zerg. They could still do with some improvement, but they're comparable to the Zenex players mentioned. Also, Leenock has been beasting it up in Code A this season. A return to form for him could put him in contention here, and is also going to make fOu (along with sC, and asd/gumiho supporting) an impressive team. As far as Toss, imo HuK and Nani are higher level than sage and puzzle, just from the play we've seen out of them. Maybe after more exposure we can see differently, but those two are definitely competitive for the second place spot with alicia right now. Terran is just a shitstorm. It says volumes about the dominance of terran that we don't even see bomber in the top Five players right now (MVP, sc, polt, MKP, MMA, THEN puma/bomber/thestc) | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:39 Elem wrote: As much as I love DRG, he isn't better than IdrA. Why in the world would you make that claim? | ||
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drgonzhere
United States447 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:05 SafeAsCheese wrote: I don't see how you can include DRG yet exclude Bomber, who has better stats in almost every matchup I mention bomber as one of the established great terrans along with MKP and MVP. Bomber has been known to be one of the best terrans in the world since January, I don't think he is so up and coming anymore. | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:16 mikyaJ wrote: Meh, beating up Foreigners is trivial. That's like Wilt Chamberlain's 100 Point game. Trivial. MC at complete dominance won Copenhagen, DHI, and was the highest placing Korean along with BoxeR. However MC got knocked out by the winner, BoxeR didn't. you have to consider that MC was traveling arround the world, and he was playing lan tournaments while playing on-line tournaments, he didn't had time to train efficiently, he didn't had time to prepare for matches and everybody knows that traveling is very tiresome. Its not easy to win a tournament in china and in the next week go to sweden. MC plays so many tournaments that he never has time to relax and practice, but still he is always trying to please the crowd, I have high respect for him. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On July 06 2011 04:48 hypno_toad wrote: I agree that MVP isn't the best anymore...But MC and Nestea are still the best of their races hands down Would you say that MKP is the best for Terran right now? I know he's come second a lot but you can't deny how consistant a player he is. @Tachion If we're going to call DRG the second best Zerg then we need to call MMA the best Terran. Team league kills don't mean anything, you need tournaments to put under your belt of which Idra has quite a few compared to DRG's team league kills. | ||
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
 LosirA's little icon thingy terran? | ||
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:44 rpgalon wrote: you have to consider that MC was traveling arround the world, and he was playing lan tournaments while playing on-line tournaments, he didn't had time to train efficiently, he didn't had time to prepare for matches and everybody knows that traveling is very tiresome. Its not easy to win a tournament in china and in the next week go to sweden. Well his point was that MC is not really performing in GSL, and is still doing well in foreign tournaments. And I said he was doing better in Foreign tournaments earlier when he was still doing well in the GSL. Also typo, I meant he was the highest placing Korean along with BoxeR in TSL | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Terran ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JnhFZ.jpg) Zerg ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LAzaH.jpg) Protoss ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7YoBi.jpg) This isn't that hard. | ||
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:46 Elem wrote: Because while DRG is intensively skilled he has no results outside of some baller Team League kills. You need some sorts of results to claim that you are such a good Zerg that you are ''second best on the planet''. He won 3-2 in the LG Cinema 3D tourney against sC. He has the results considering he doesn't participate in much. | ||
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Klaus1986
United States113 Posts
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