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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
July 05 2011 20:28 GMT
#41
Pretty much every one of these up and coming players competes in the iccup/nationvoice weekly cup. You guys should definitely check that out to see some of them compete.
Minaegi
Profile Joined March 2011
155 Posts
July 05 2011 20:32 GMT
#42
I think you're going to wish you had Tassadar on the protoss list very soon! Within the korean scene he is considered one of the best and is by far the most successful protoss player on the ladder (consistently top10 with no others usually in sight in a sea of terrans). People have been criticising his slightly 'cheesy' play in code A so far but it is just a case of blasting his way through inferior players like Ryung to get to the level he belongs.

On a pure talent level I feel oGsHerO is maybe the most talented 'unknown' protoss but his nerve problem is horrendous and dwarfs the issues PuMa has had. Another great terran posting good results is TSL_Alive! Nobody really mentions his name but he does great in all the online cups
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 05 2011 20:34 GMT
#43
MC and Nestea are still so far ahead of their rivals. No one else playing their race compares to them in terms of play, consistancy and overall results.

The Terran slot is really the only one up for grabs, where there's so many potential gosu's who could become to Terran what MC is to Protoss or Nestea for Zergs. Guys like the ones you mentioned plus MKP, TOP, Bomber all have a shot.
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 05 2011 20:36 GMT
#44
On July 06 2011 05:23 drgonzhere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 05:19 forgottendreams wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:16 drgonzhere wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:13 Lewan72 wrote:
MC+Alicia for protoss , though I think huk deserves 3rd place, not puzzle.
Nestea+Losira+Dongraegu for zerg
Way to many pro terrans to name lol


I understand the HuK bias being a foreigner and a huge fan myself. But, I'm not ready to give him that high of credit yet. He had a relatively unimpressive code A run, and hasn't done exceedingly well in Code S yet. If he takes down his group, then definitely deserves to be on here. Puzzle has just impressed me greatly so far.


Couldn't agree more, BTW all these "up and comers" are on the Korean weekly almost every week if you want to see some ridiculous play.


I know it makes me soooo happy that that tournament exists. The play is AMAZING everyone go watch it!


+1 for the Korean Weekly being awesome. If you want to know about guys like Puma, Puzzle, Hack, Sage, Tassadar, Hwangsin and others before they become big stars that's where to go.
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 05 2011 20:37 GMT
#45
On July 06 2011 05:24 Whitewing wrote:
No foreigners at all?

There are a number of foreigners who are considered to be some of the best players period (by the Koreans), like Thorzain and HuK.

Thorzain in particular has a number of Korean Pro players (like MC and MMA) on record saying how amazingly good he is.


Thorzain is not even amongst the top 10 Terran's worldwide. He's way too inconsistant and one 3-2 win over MC aside (having since lost 4-2 and 2-0 to MC in his worst matchup) has done little to prove he's up there with the S Class guys.
Ssoulle
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom149 Posts
July 05 2011 20:39 GMT
#46
Personally I think DRG is better than NesTea now, yeah he has won alot but if DRG had been playing GSLs regularly from the start rather than just joining a recent GTSL with a fairly low skilled team [ by Korean Standards ].
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 20:46:22
July 05 2011 20:39 GMT
#47
Coca getting mentions makes me happy, I've been a bit of a fan ever since after his first Code A qualifiers he said that he didn't have a PC at home and was having to practice mostly at PC Bangs. I figure he must have moved intro the team house by now, and it's really awesome seeing his improvement. You watch him and you can really see some huge potential, once he irons out some of his later game decision making he can really be a force.

Puma is an animal (see what I did there?), I implore Terrans to go check some of his replays from the NASL open/iCCup weekleis etc because there's so many good things to take on board there. I don't think there's even a question about whether he can become good enough to compete at the highest level, there's only a question about his nerves.

Sage has been a sheer joy to watch lately, both in the GSTL and the KR weeklies (3-0 vs MKP now). I adore the fact that he's seemingly so willing to experiment and try and make new things work (though apparently not even he can make Nex first work in PvP =p)

I've been waiting on Puzzle to break out forever (since we got all excited back during the zotac invitational) and it looks like he's finally going to, though with that said I think Tassadar is shaping up to be an equally strong contender from Code A too (his last match erased many of my doubts)

Despite some specualation of sC possibly being in a mini-slump, I really do agree that he's at the forefront of Terran. He has great mechanics, unit control, and understands how to play TvZ better than almost anyone right now. Qualified for NASL S2 pretty easily, and while he lost in a very close series to DRG it shouldn't be forgotten that that was the finals of an event, not just one random match.

It's nice to see all this new (or old in some terms) talent coming to the fore and starting to challenge for the crown. It keeps the innovation moving along at a rapid pace and forces everyone to improve giving us better and better games =)
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
July 05 2011 20:40 GMT
#48
DRG's ZvP is bad, Nestea's is the best in the world. I don't know how good DRG's ZvZ is, but I doubt it's better than Nestea's. So Nestea is better. DRG has better ZvT though.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
July 05 2011 20:46 GMT
#49
On July 06 2011 05:37 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 05:24 Whitewing wrote:
No foreigners at all?

There are a number of foreigners who are considered to be some of the best players period (by the Koreans), like Thorzain and HuK.

Thorzain in particular has a number of Korean Pro players (like MC and MMA) on record saying how amazingly good he is.


Thorzain is not even amongst the top 10 Terran's worldwide. He's way too inconsistant and one 3-2 win over MC aside (having since lost 4-2 and 2-0 to MC in his worst matchup) has done little to prove he's up there with the S Class guys.


Other than the word of Korean Progamers themselves (MC said he has top 5 TvP in the world easily), every person who plays against him says he's a serious threat. I can't wait to see him in the GSL :D
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
July 05 2011 20:46 GMT
#50
On July 06 2011 05:39 Asha` wrote:
Coca getting mentions makes me happy, I've been a bit of a fan ever since after his first Code A qualifiers he said that he didn't have a PC at home and was having to practice mostly at PC Bangs. I figure he must have moved intro the team house by now, and it's really awesome seeing his improvement. You watch him and you can really see some huge potential, once he irons out some of his later game decision making he can really be a force.

Puma is an animal (see what I did there?), I implore Terrans to go check some of his replays from the NASL open/iCCup weekleis etc because there's so many good things to take on board there. I don't think there's even a question about whether he can become good enough to compete at the highest level, there's only a question about his nerves.

Sage has been a sheer joy to watch lately, both in the GSTL and the KR weeklies (3-0 vs MKP now). I adore the fact that he's seemingly so willing to experiment and try and make new things work (though apparently not even he can make Nex first work in PvP =p)

I've been waiting on Puzzle to break out forever (since we got all excited back during the zotac invitational) and it looks like he's finally going to, though with that said I think Tassadar is shaping up to be an equally strong contender from Code A too (his last match erased many of my doubts)

It's nice to see all this new (or old in some terms) talent coming to the fore and starting to challenge for the crown. It keeps the innovation moving along at a rapid pace and forces everyone to improve giving us better and better games =)


The only problem I have with Tassadar is that he is rather boring and uninspiring to watch. He is clearly better than the players he has faced so far in Code A, but they have been rather unimpressive. I would like to see him play against someone I actually thought was good against Protoss. Puzzle on the other hand went through two great players in MMA and Sheth
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lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 05 2011 20:47 GMT
#51
On July 06 2011 05:39 Ssoulle wrote:
Personally I think DRG is better than NesTea now, yeah he has won alot but if DRG had been playing GSLs regularly from the start rather than just joining a recent GTSL with a fairly low skilled team [ by Korean Standards ].


DRG is nowhere near Nestea standards, what an absurd post. Nestea in the reigning GSL Code S Champion, a two time winner and also a semi finalist and two time Ro8.

He has the highest win ratio on TLPD for both ZvP and ZvZ and is second only to MC for total winnings in Sc2 history.

DRG won a random online tournament and did well in one season of the team league.
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 05 2011 20:50 GMT
#52
On July 06 2011 05:46 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 05:37 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 06 2011 05:24 Whitewing wrote:
No foreigners at all?

There are a number of foreigners who are considered to be some of the best players period (by the Koreans), like Thorzain and HuK.

Thorzain in particular has a number of Korean Pro players (like MC and MMA) on record saying how amazingly good he is.


Thorzain is not even amongst the top 10 Terran's worldwide. He's way too inconsistant and one 3-2 win over MC aside (having since lost 4-2 and 2-0 to MC in his worst matchup) has done little to prove he's up there with the S Class guys.


Other than the word of Korean Progamers themselves (MC said he has top 5 TvP in the world easily), every person who plays against him says he's a serious threat. I can't wait to see him in the GSL :D


Thorzain's a very good player and when he's good he's really good. But he still gets knocked out of tournaments by players like Tarson and didn't make it out of the groups at Dreamhack, at MLG he was knocked out by MC but he still dropped a game to Ret. He lost in the Open Tournament for NASL to TSL Revival. So yeah, he's got a long way to go before we put him up to the level of guys like MKP, MVP, Bomber, SCFou, Nada and MMA.
Chise
Profile Joined December 2010
Japan507 Posts
July 05 2011 20:52 GMT
#53
On July 06 2011 05:37 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 05:24 Whitewing wrote:
No foreigners at all?

There are a number of foreigners who are considered to be some of the best players period (by the Koreans), like Thorzain and HuK.

Thorzain in particular has a number of Korean Pro players (like MC and MMA) on record saying how amazingly good he is.


Thorzain is not even amongst the top 10 Terran's worldwide. He's way too inconsistant and one 3-2 win over MC aside (having since lost 4-2 and 2-0 to MC in his worst matchup) has done little to prove he's up there with the S Class guys.


Thorzain might not be top10 Terrans right now, but I think he has a lot of potential. Same with Naniwa. Both of them will hopefully improve a lot while they stay in Korea.

On topic:
I've been thinking about this aswell lately. There are plenty of new faces and we might see the old best players fall behind them very soon. I pretty much agree with everyone mentioned in the OP.
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
July 05 2011 20:53 GMT
#54
...LosirA?
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
July 05 2011 20:56 GMT
#55
Great thread but I'd like to see Losira and Leenock get some love.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
July 05 2011 21:00 GMT
#56
Nice write up. Sage's micro is horrible from games I've seen... even though he's all over the place he loses battles he should win all the time. Personally I don't see him ever being in Code S until micro/battle positioning improves a lot. Unfortunately I did not purchase GSL July yet so I have not seen Puzzle or Tassadar..
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WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 21:01:17
July 05 2011 21:00 GMT
#57
I was in awe of Sage in the team-league, that guy is godly good, but I agree with everyone you put in the thread also, it makes things very interesting to watch when we have such great talent flourishing from all areas of the GSL, a lot of these guys aren't in Code S yet, not to mentioned Code A and we will keep finding more and more talented players as the GSL enters a second year.
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
July 05 2011 21:01 GMT
#58
On July 06 2011 05:56 RinconH wrote:
Great thread but I'd like to see Losira and Leenock get some love.


I knew someone was missing. Losira, not Leenock. Losira has demonstrated that he's amazing, but Leenock not so much.
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Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 05 2011 21:01 GMT
#59
On July 06 2011 05:53 IcedBacon wrote:
...LosirA?

his vT is just too bad to ever be a top player IMO.
loazis
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands381 Posts
July 05 2011 21:01 GMT
#60
Losira, Leenock and Bomber would all deserve a mention here I guess. Nice thread though : )
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