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lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
June 23 2011 16:00 GMT
#741
On June 24 2011 00:55 Spacedude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.


Jesus christ. Let's just operate chips into people's brains instead. It's people with psychopathic opinions like his we should be afraid of. Not pirates. Open your eyes to the real threat here people.


This mindset is the Pirates mindset.

Blizzard is being nice simply doing things like No Lan instead of doing illegal things to get what they want (Pirates)

Why doesn't Blizzard do this? BEcause there is so much stuff out there to STOP them from doing it. Blizzard is punished for putting stuff on torrents but Pirates are not. Do you see how silly that double standard is? It's okay to punish Blizzard for posting torrents but its' not okay to punish everyone else from posting torrents.

Do you see how silly that is?
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
June 23 2011 16:03 GMT
#742
On June 24 2011 00:59 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Pirating is a loophole in the supply demand chain. Its a way of getting something for free and side stepping the whole trade arrangement. Its going to be abused and taken to the fullest extent every time. No consumer in the right mind pays more then they have to, and with pirating they can pay zero.

The whole idea of people as saints and buying a game because they have decided that the developer deserves the money after using their software for "x" number of hours is bullshit at best.

Pirating is wrong, but due to the lopsided power distribution of the consumer and supply, pirates by and large can get away with anything under the general idea that because tracking them down is a nuisance logistically and a nightmare legally, they can do as they please. Then they fabricate some pseudo-soapbox stand on free speech or some shit and try to alleviate the burden of responsibility from the conscience and place it squarely on the developers for not working hard enough.


Truth.

So Much Truth.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Darkong
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
June 23 2011 16:03 GMT
#743
On June 24 2011 00:39 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.


Yes. I agree. Torrent sites are very illegal.

No, they're not.

Torrent sites don't actually distribute any music, movies, games or whatever, all they distribute are the torrent files, which are not copyrighted works. The person uploading the copyrighted work is the one whos breaking the law.

Now intentionally uploading viruses to a site in an attempt to cause malicious harm, that is very much illegal.
Trolling the Battle.Net forums, the most fun you can have with your pants on.
splinter9
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada172 Posts
June 23 2011 16:04 GMT
#744
On June 24 2011 01:00 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:55 Spacedude wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.


Jesus christ. Let's just operate chips into people's brains instead. It's people with psychopathic opinions like his we should be afraid of. Not pirates. Open your eyes to the real threat here people.


This mindset is the Pirates mindset.

Blizzard is being nice simply doing things like No Lan instead of doing illegal things to get what they want (Pirates)

Why doesn't Blizzard do this? BEcause there is so much stuff out there to STOP them from doing it. Blizzard is punished for putting stuff on torrents but Pirates are not. Do you see how silly that double standard is? It's okay to punish Blizzard for posting torrents but its' not okay to punish everyone else from posting torrents.

Do you see how silly that is?

You missed the point, It would be about blizzard putting viruses on torrents en mass. Which is very different then me putting up my favourite porn on a torrent.
Spacedude
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark161 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 16:07:16
June 23 2011 16:06 GMT
#745
On June 24 2011 01:00 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:55 Spacedude wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.


Jesus christ. Let's just operate chips into people's brains instead. It's people with psychopathic opinions like his we should be afraid of. Not pirates. Open your eyes to the real threat here people.


This mindset is the Pirates mindset.

Blizzard is being nice simply doing things like No Lan instead of doing illegal things to get what they want (Pirates)

Why doesn't Blizzard do this? BEcause there is so much stuff out there to STOP them from doing it. Blizzard is punished for putting stuff on torrents but Pirates are not. Do you see how silly that double standard is? It's okay to punish Blizzard for posting torrents but its' not okay to punish everyone else from posting torrents.

Do you see how silly that is?


You want to take away your own rights and all others, dude? You want Blizzard to be able to break the laws that protects us??? You cleary lack basis understanding of society works, pal.
Protoss win, Protoss OP. Terran win, Terran OP. Zerg win, Zerg OP. Less whine, more gg.
ShadowWolf
Profile Joined March 2010
United States197 Posts
June 23 2011 16:08 GMT
#746
On June 24 2011 00:45 shalafi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:41 lorkac wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:34 splinter9 wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:31 lorkac wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:21 Zarahtra wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:14 Tyree wrote:
A company should only fear piracy if they are producing bad products.



So let me get this straight, if you make a quality product less people will pirate it? Its the other way around

Look at various torrent sites ( i know you know them) and see what the most popular games and movies are pirated, it is usually high profile games that cost millions to make.


The most popular game to get a N64 emulator for are OoT and Mario 64, how many people do you think tried to snag a Superman 64 rom? Only the few demented people who wanted to see just how horrible it is.


I agree that it is sad we cant have LAN, but the reasoning makes perfect sense.

My point is, if the product is good enough, people will buy it.

A lot of people might download it, don't get me wrong, but if they were ever going to buy the game, they would likely do so even if they downloaded it.
If they would never have bought the game no matter, then you've just reached out to one more customer, which *might* buy it, but in the least(assuming the product is good) have a positive attitude towards the game/company when talking about it.

So yes, a good product might be downloaded more, but that's not really something to fear, while a bad one has a good reason to fear it.


The problem with the logic "They wouldn't buy it anyway" is that the only reason people have the thinking of "I won't buy this game I'm playing" is because pirate culture both A.) Exists and B.) is not punished harshly enough.

If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

I would be more aggressive, less compromising, and less friendly than Blizzard is because my personality believes that if you punish people for doing something wrong, in time they will stop doing it en mass.

But I'm not Blizzard. Blizzard would rather try nicer fixes like no LAN than simply spreading viruses, malwares and hack accounts.

Because of Blizzard's lax punishment system--people are willing to say "I don't want to buy this game because I'm going to pirate it anyway." Why? Because the punishment for pirating is almost zero.

The music industry tried this and it didn't work.


Actually, the music industry never tried to fill torrent sites with as many harmful viruses as they could. They never got on Napster and started to post several hundred thousand songs that contained viruses just to punish napster users.


They would if they could (after all, they wouldn't be doing it themselves, just some paid hackers*).

The thing is, comments, ratings, anti-virus, trusted users and release groups prevent this from being viable. There have been tons of malicious releases, but they get easily filtered.

*They can get a lot of bad advertising and maybe even get sued if the hackers betray them, though.


Macrovision tried the next best thing with a product called Hawkeye. It was designed to flood P2P networks with a whole bunch of fake results and what-not. It worked very well for a brief period ( hawkeye fake files actually outnumbered real files in terms of downloads ), but the product was cancelled in 2009. Even using non-malicious and difficult to detect technologies to try to flood the market eventually failed as people picked up on the signatures of what hawkeye would try to do and weeded them out.

Keep in mind, also, that music piracy is a fundamentally different market than software piracy and movie piracy. While many people do pirate both music and software ( and movies ), there's a substantial difference in the technologies that work in each industry as well as what people in an industry are willing to accept. E.g. consumers in the music industry basically jump ship and stop buying at the first sight of disruptive DRM, whereas consumers in the movie industry will take it up the tailpipe as long as the movie quality remains very high and there's lots of bonus features ( tbh, a lot of the movie DRM is also what provides those bonus features ). Software is way different from both of those and sits more at a middle ground - mainly because you can't actually protect Software. The concept behind Software DRM is to push back the day the first marginally functional pirated copy is floating around. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Also, businesses software is heavily pirated by small business - it's not just games. Also, large-scale corporate license compliance is dreadful. Nearly everyone investigated by SAP for compliance is out of compliance by large margins.
Angry_Fetus
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada444 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 16:10:15
June 23 2011 16:09 GMT
#747
On June 24 2011 01:00 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:55 Spacedude wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.


Jesus christ. Let's just operate chips into people's brains instead. It's people with psychopathic opinions like his we should be afraid of. Not pirates. Open your eyes to the real threat here people.


This mindset is the Pirates mindset.

Blizzard is being nice simply doing things like No Lan instead of doing illegal things to get what they want (Pirates)

Why doesn't Blizzard do this? BEcause there is so much stuff out there to STOP them from doing it. Blizzard is punished for putting stuff on torrents but Pirates are not. Do you see how silly that double standard is? It's okay to punish Blizzard for posting torrents but its' not okay to punish everyone else from posting torrents.

Do you see how silly that is?


Despite how frightening close corporations in America are to being considered persons, they don't have equal rights of a person. You actually think a corporation should hold the same rights as an individual? That's insane.
V2.
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada9 Posts
June 23 2011 16:11 GMT
#748
On June 24 2011 00:39 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.


Yes. I agree. Torrent sites are very illegal.


Torrent sites are in no way illegal. The day a medium of sharing information becomes illegal will be a very sad day for humanity. There's illegal content hosted on many torrent sites, but that doesn't make sites themselves illegal.
CidO
Profile Joined June 2010
United States695 Posts
June 23 2011 16:11 GMT
#749
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.

Sort of like putting out torrents that are riddled with information pickers to pull information from users who illegally download music?

Oh wait :D It's only illegal if a private company were to do it, but a associations or public group were to do it, there would be no question of legality?

LAN is what made 90s games big, and what enabled the start of growth in 00's. Now with how rampant illegal copies of games are it's a very big issue with corps and shareholders.

Would you want want to invest your money into a company who releases 3 games a year and 1 of which won't make much profit since everyone is hacking it?

How about the uneasy approach from activision investors when looking at the legal matters of SC:BW IP rights in Skorea? As people who enjoy watching/playing the game, yeah it doesn't make sense, but investors, the reason the games are made these days, it does make sense to exclude LAN.
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Cracked
Profile Joined June 2011
41 Posts
June 23 2011 16:14 GMT
#750
Any LAN mode = giving away the code for linking players together in games. All the encryption, protocols and such. Any inclusion of LAN mode makes emulating battle.net orders of magnitude easier, and this must be understood. Inclusion of LAN isn't just "Oh, now I can play with two friends!" It's seriously opening a huge can of worms.

The question that must be asked is as follows:

Is the number of people worldwide that would pirate the game if full functionality was available larger than the number of people that refuse to buy the game because we didn't include LAN mode?

The answer to that question drives the decision on whether or not to include LAN. I would expect that the number of people that didn't buy SC2 because of lack of LAN would be far less than the number of people that would pirate the game if the full functionality was available.

Another thing is people think that the way people play SC2 as viewed from Team Liquid is the only way people play these games. Demigod's developer mentioned that only 23% of people that bought the game ever logged onto their multiplayer servers. The other 77% played this completely multiplayer game solely against AI's.

For a game like SC2, I would argue that over 50% of people that bought the game will not have finished any set of placement matches. Pirating, even for the single player, is a huge issue, and I'm sure Blizzard will attempt to address that in the upcoming expansions.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
June 23 2011 16:14 GMT
#751
On June 24 2011 01:06 Spacedude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 01:00 lorkac wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:55 Spacedude wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.


Jesus christ. Let's just operate chips into people's brains instead. It's people with psychopathic opinions like his we should be afraid of. Not pirates. Open your eyes to the real threat here people.


This mindset is the Pirates mindset.

Blizzard is being nice simply doing things like No Lan instead of doing illegal things to get what they want (Pirates)

Why doesn't Blizzard do this? BEcause there is so much stuff out there to STOP them from doing it. Blizzard is punished for putting stuff on torrents but Pirates are not. Do you see how silly that double standard is? It's okay to punish Blizzard for posting torrents but its' not okay to punish everyone else from posting torrents.

Do you see how silly that is?


You want to take away your own rights and all others, dude? You want Blizzard to be able to break the laws that protects us??? You cleary lack basis understanding of society works, pal.


No. What I'm saying is that it's silly that some dude posting a random porn film on a torrent is not treated the same way as Blizzard and vice versa.

I'm saying that it's silly to have favoritism in the law.

I'm saying that if people were punished as harshly as Blizzard would be punished--people wouldn't upload anything.

I'm saying if Blizzard was allowed to post stuff as freely as people post stuff--people wouldn't upload anything.

I'm saying the favoritism in how file sharing is protected is forcing corporations into sillier and sillier options in an attempt to protect their product--like the loss of LAN.

And no, you saying Blizzard should just take it up the ass and like it because Blizzard is too big to fail is not an argument.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 16:26:02
June 23 2011 16:22 GMT
#752
File sharing isn't protected in any way. Stop spouting nonsense.
Slegg
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic75 Posts
June 23 2011 16:24 GMT
#753
On June 24 2011 01:14 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 01:06 Spacedude wrote:
On June 24 2011 01:00 lorkac wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:55 Spacedude wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.


Jesus christ. Let's just operate chips into people's brains instead. It's people with psychopathic opinions like his we should be afraid of. Not pirates. Open your eyes to the real threat here people.


This mindset is the Pirates mindset.

Blizzard is being nice simply doing things like No Lan instead of doing illegal things to get what they want (Pirates)

Why doesn't Blizzard do this? BEcause there is so much stuff out there to STOP them from doing it. Blizzard is punished for putting stuff on torrents but Pirates are not. Do you see how silly that double standard is? It's okay to punish Blizzard for posting torrents but its' not okay to punish everyone else from posting torrents.

Do you see how silly that is?


You want to take away your own rights and all others, dude? You want Blizzard to be able to break the laws that protects us??? You cleary lack basis understanding of society works, pal.


No. What I'm saying is that it's silly that some dude posting a random porn film on a torrent is not treated the same way as Blizzard and vice versa.

I'm saying that it's silly to have favoritism in the law.

I'm saying that if people were punished as harshly as Blizzard would be punished--people wouldn't upload anything.

I'm saying if Blizzard was allowed to post stuff as freely as people post stuff--people wouldn't upload anything.

I'm saying the favoritism in how file sharing is protected is forcing corporations into sillier and sillier options in an attempt to protect their product--like the loss of LAN.

And no, you saying Blizzard should just take it up the ass and like it because Blizzard is too big to fail is not an argument.


People cant legally publish stuff with copyright on torrents or any other hosting service, the thing that is legal-ish is downloading it from direct sites, downloading from torrents is already slightly illegal as you are sharing the files you downloaded with other people. (and very illegal for the original uploader)

You've continuously made stuff up in this thread, talk about things you dont know about (music vs radio and this whole pirating issue tbh).
Ive given a reason why companies should include LAN etc. and you chose to ignore that a concentrate on poorly written sentece.

You believe in cutting people's rights, corporations sabotaging individuals and basically black mailing them, airport staff touching your balls.
I would not be surprised to find out you download music and movies from the internet.

I have nothing more to say to you.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
June 23 2011 16:25 GMT
#754
On June 24 2011 01:09 Angry_Fetus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 01:00 lorkac wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:55 Spacedude wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.


Jesus christ. Let's just operate chips into people's brains instead. It's people with psychopathic opinions like his we should be afraid of. Not pirates. Open your eyes to the real threat here people.


This mindset is the Pirates mindset.

Blizzard is being nice simply doing things like No Lan instead of doing illegal things to get what they want (Pirates)

Why doesn't Blizzard do this? BEcause there is so much stuff out there to STOP them from doing it. Blizzard is punished for putting stuff on torrents but Pirates are not. Do you see how silly that double standard is? It's okay to punish Blizzard for posting torrents but its' not okay to punish everyone else from posting torrents.

Do you see how silly that is?


Despite how frightening close corporations in America are to being considered persons, they don't have equal rights of a person. You actually think a corporation should hold the same rights as an individual? That's insane.


No. I think that the law should not care who is standing in front of it.

Much like I don't want the law to turn a blind eye to a corporation--I also don't want the law to turn a blind eye to some dude just because he's not a corporation.

It's not about treating a corporation like an individual. It's about turning a blind eye when someone does something you deem illegal only if the person doing it is poor. If the person doing it is rich, suddenly all hell breaks lose and you whine about how bad and awful the rich person is for doing exactly what non-rich people are doing.

Corporations in America being allowed to fund politicians more than citizens can? That's bullshit because that is giving more rights to a corporation than a citizen.

Corporations in America being given stimulus for having a failing business while citizens don't get any stimulus for the same thing? Bullshit because Corporations are being given more support than a citizen.

Corporations being punished for doing stuff on a torrent site that many other citizens are doing? Bullshit because citizens are being given more protection than business owners.
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Spacedude
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark161 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 16:34:04
June 23 2011 16:29 GMT
#755
On June 24 2011 01:14 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 01:06 Spacedude wrote:
On June 24 2011 01:00 lorkac wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:55 Spacedude wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.


Jesus christ. Let's just operate chips into people's brains instead. It's people with psychopathic opinions like his we should be afraid of. Not pirates. Open your eyes to the real threat here people.


This mindset is the Pirates mindset.

Blizzard is being nice simply doing things like No Lan instead of doing illegal things to get what they want (Pirates)

Why doesn't Blizzard do this? BEcause there is so much stuff out there to STOP them from doing it. Blizzard is punished for putting stuff on torrents but Pirates are not. Do you see how silly that double standard is? It's okay to punish Blizzard for posting torrents but its' not okay to punish everyone else from posting torrents.

Do you see how silly that is?


You want to take away your own rights and all others, dude? You want Blizzard to be able to break the laws that protects us??? You cleary lack basis understanding of society works, pal.


No. What I'm saying is that it's silly that some dude posting a random porn film on a torrent is not treated the same way as Blizzard and vice versa.

I'm saying that it's silly to have favoritism in the law.

I'm saying that if people were punished as harshly as Blizzard would be punished--people wouldn't upload anything.

I'm saying if Blizzard was allowed to post stuff as freely as people post stuff--people wouldn't upload anything.

I'm saying the favoritism in how file sharing is protected is forcing corporations into sillier and sillier options in an attempt to protect their product--like the loss of LAN.

And no, you saying Blizzard should just take it up the ass and like it because Blizzard is too big to fail is not an argument.


I really don't think you make much sense, so I'll just leave you with your opinions to yourself. Maybe you should read up on the nature of filesharing? Among other stuff like society in general, yes?
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coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 16:31:55
June 23 2011 16:31 GMT
#756
I assume everyone supporting companies like blizzard removing LAN and having restrictive DRM would be completely fine if they used something like onlive for the single player to make it unpiratable also. I mean it doesn't matter if the video quality isn't as nice or there is input lag or you you can't play online or you have to pay for lots of bandwidth that doesn't matter as long as there is no piracy. Any company that does not use onlive like technology is giving the game away for free and the shareholders must be very mad about that so it will soon become standard.

It also doesn't matter how much money that would cost blizzard just like it doesn't matter how much it costs blizzard to run servers that are a middleman for the data between every single sc2 game that will ever be played forever. Nobody ever talks about that even if it is theoretically possible for the servers to cost more than the profit from the converted pirates.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 16:33:02
June 23 2011 16:32 GMT
#757
On June 24 2011 01:25 lorkac wrote:
Corporations being punished for doing stuff on a torrent site that many other citizens are doing? Bullshit because citizens are being given more protection than business owners.

Distributing viruses is a crime. Copyright infringement is generally a civil offence.

This isn't even bringing in the fact that copyright infringement for personal use is de facto unenforceable.
SkittlesAreYum
Profile Joined April 2011
6 Posts
June 23 2011 16:35 GMT
#758
On June 23 2011 07:18 darkscream wrote:
Not to mention that most of these games have online ladder systems and that's what people buy the game for - The competitive ladder.
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Haha - no. No way even close to 50% of the people who bought SC2 play on the ladder.
V2.
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada9 Posts
June 23 2011 16:40 GMT
#759
On June 24 2011 01:25 lorkac wrote:
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On June 24 2011 01:09 Angry_Fetus wrote:
On June 24 2011 01:00 lorkac wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:55 Spacedude wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:34 Lodgeinator wrote:
If I were Blizzard, I'd not be scared to pirate games and simply sue every person who downloaded the game, every website that tried posting the game up for downloading. I would then hire hackers to create viruses that destroys and erases hard drives and put those up as free downloads on torrent sites so that people who do download get viruses that harm the entire computer maliciously. I would infest every single torrent site with as many viruses as I can to make it so harmful and dangerous to download "free" content that no one would download anymore.

This is very illigal.


Jesus christ. Let's just operate chips into people's brains instead. It's people with psychopathic opinions like his we should be afraid of. Not pirates. Open your eyes to the real threat here people.


This mindset is the Pirates mindset.

Blizzard is being nice simply doing things like No Lan instead of doing illegal things to get what they want (Pirates)

Why doesn't Blizzard do this? BEcause there is so much stuff out there to STOP them from doing it. Blizzard is punished for putting stuff on torrents but Pirates are not. Do you see how silly that double standard is? It's okay to punish Blizzard for posting torrents but its' not okay to punish everyone else from posting torrents.

Do you see how silly that is?


Despite how frightening close corporations in America are to being considered persons, they don't have equal rights of a person. You actually think a corporation should hold the same rights as an individual? That's insane.


No. I think that the law should not care who is standing in front of it.

Much like I don't want the law to turn a blind eye to a corporation--I also don't want the law to turn a blind eye to some dude just because he's not a corporation.

It's not about treating a corporation like an individual. It's about turning a blind eye when someone does something you deem illegal only if the person doing it is poor. If the person doing it is rich, suddenly all hell breaks lose and you whine about how bad and awful the rich person is for doing exactly what non-rich people are doing.

Corporations in America being allowed to fund politicians more than citizens can? That's bullshit because that is giving more rights to a corporation than a citizen.

Corporations in America being given stimulus for having a failing business while citizens don't get any stimulus for the same thing? Bullshit because Corporations are being given more support than a citizen.

Corporations being punished for doing stuff on a torrent site that many other citizens are doing? Bullshit because citizens are being given more protection than business owners.


No. It is illegal for both of them, Blizzard is not going to risk having their reputation affected by such egotistical acts of vigilantism. If a torrent turns out to have a virus on it, few people will download it, and if many more turn up people might begin to wonder why. There are other very legal ways to punish pirates, although none of them actually to deter pirates, like how Valve handles people who are found playing a pirated version of their game in mulitplayer.

Putting DRM onto a product just delays the time it takes for it to be cracked and able to be pirated, it doesn't stop pirating, there's anecdotal evidence suggest it actually increases pirating.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
June 23 2011 16:43 GMT
#760
I still can't believe LAN is actually gone :S
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