• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:24
CET 23:24
KST 07:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy5ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool38Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains18
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win
Tourneys
World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
Soulkey's decision to leave C9 JaeDong's form before ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2252 users

The Official Live On Three Thread - Page 93

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 91 92 93 94 95 157 Next
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
May 24 2012 00:58 GMT
#1841
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.



What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
Pejelagarto
Profile Joined September 2010
Mexico27 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 01:15:41
May 24 2012 01:10 GMT
#1842
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.




What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.



Yep, pretty easy to understand. You don't like him or you used to like him and then he murdered your puppy or something.

Also the bit about adding absolutely nothing to any discussion is bullshit. I understand you are not a fan but I still don't understand where this hate comes from and where is it headed. Come on dude. Just what the hell do you want? Do you want him to retire from the sc2 community? Do you want him to be more prepared for everything he does? Do you think his success is undeserved? Do you want his bank account numbers?
"There's nothing more depressing than shedding tears from sadness... when you have never mind,,," ~ Me :D
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 01:14:28
May 24 2012 01:13 GMT
#1843
All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
May 24 2012 01:17 GMT
#1844
Great show tonight, good times with Violet sharing his achievements~!
Support your esport!
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 01:21:35
May 24 2012 01:20 GMT
#1845
On May 24 2012 10:10 Pejelagarto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.




What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.



Yep, pretty easy to understand. You don't like him or you used to like him and then he murdered your puppy or something.

Also the bit about adding absolutely nothing to any discussion is bullshit. I understand you are not a fan but I still don't understand where this hate comes from and where is it headed. Come on dude. Just what the hell do you want? Do you want him to retire from the sc2 community? Do you want him to be more prepared a lot more for everything he does? Do you think his success is underserved? Do you want his bank account numbers?


Apparently you find it difficult to understand that not everybody likes everyone, and they don't necessaries have a personal vendetta against them because of this.

I think that Day9 does not deserve the fame he has within this scene and that the cult of personality he has established is an embarrassment to the intelligence of the average Sc2 fan. Our idols should by Mvp, DRG, Nestea and MarineKing because they are gods of the game, not a guy who spends most of his time courting energy drink and blue chip companies to give him money.

Note that while the players clearly benefit from Red Bull's involvement they don't benefit anything like as much as Day9 does. I'd liken him to Simon Cowell who is clearly a music fan, most likely got into the music industry for the love of music and his acts often benefit greatly from what he does, but primarily in 2012 Simon Cowell cares a hell of a lot more about money than he does about promoting good music. Just like Day9 is far more interested in getting paid by Red Bull or whoever else than he is about making interesting and quality Sc2 content.
Sikly
Profile Joined June 2011
United States413 Posts
May 24 2012 01:21 GMT
#1846
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.



What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.


The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.

Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.
Pejelagarto
Profile Joined September 2010
Mexico27 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 01:42:28
May 24 2012 01:22 GMT
#1847
On May 24 2012 10:13 Canucklehead wrote:
All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.



Well. it's pretty easy to see when there's jealousy and sometimes the points they make are valid. Not everyone must like him, what I don't understand is this furious hate, I understand if you come from a certain site and that's the cool, dark and edgy thing to do but It's just weird seeing people from other backgrounds jumping in the bandwagon. I mean if they know something we don't , why don't they just come out and say it?

On May 24 2012 10:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 10:10 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.




What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.



Yep, pretty easy to understand. You don't like him or you used to like him and then he murdered your puppy or something.

Also the bit about adding absolutely nothing to any discussion is bullshit. I understand you are not a fan but I still don't understand where this hate comes from and where is it headed. Come on dude. Just what the hell do you want? Do you want him to retire from the sc2 community? Do you want him to be more prepared a lot more for everything he does? Do you think his success is underserved? Do you want his bank account numbers?


Apparently you find it difficult to understand that not everybody likes everyone, and they don't necessaries have a personal vendetta against them because of this.

I think that Day9 does not deserve the fame he has within this scene and that the cult of personality he has established is an embarrassment to the intelligence of the average Sc2 fan. Our idols should by Mvp, DRG, Nestea and MarineKing because they are gods of the game, not a guy who spends most of his time courting energy drink and blue chip companies to give him money.

Note that while the players clearly benefit from Red Bull's involvement they don't benefit anything like as much as Day9 does. I'd liken him to Simon Cowell who is clearly a music fan, most likely got into the music industry for the love of music and his acts often benefit greatly from what he does, but primarily in 2012 Simon Cowell cares a hell of a lot more about money than he does about promoting good music. Just like Day9 is far more interested in getting paid by Red Bull or whoever else than he is about making interesting and quality Sc2 content.


That's easier to understand (the bold stuff) , a bit. I don't see what's wrong with the rest of the stuff even if it's true (which I doubt). He makes money and benefits some players while doing it, at least you see something positive.

Don't you think his fame is related to the "courting energy drink and blue chip companies to give him money"? I think you do understand he has a place in the community and that while you think his fame is undeserved you at least see something positive in what he is doing. It's a pretty acceptable position to have, of course without the whole he gets paid therefore he is a money whore. I don't know about you but this pseudodiscussion was certainly satisfactory. Have a good day sir.
"There's nothing more depressing than shedding tears from sadness... when you have never mind,,," ~ Me :D
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
May 24 2012 01:23 GMT
#1848
On May 24 2012 10:13 Canucklehead wrote:
All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.



This is the problem with making -any- controversial opinion about public figures.

The celebrity worship gets so bad that anyone who even says a single negative thing, be it constructive or not, is simply painted as a "hater".
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 01:25:41
May 24 2012 01:24 GMT
#1849
On May 24 2012 10:21 draumr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.



What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.


The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.

Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.


I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
May 24 2012 01:26 GMT
#1850
On May 24 2012 10:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 10:10 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.




What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.



Yep, pretty easy to understand. You don't like him or you used to like him and then he murdered your puppy or something.

Also the bit about adding absolutely nothing to any discussion is bullshit. I understand you are not a fan but I still don't understand where this hate comes from and where is it headed. Come on dude. Just what the hell do you want? Do you want him to retire from the sc2 community? Do you want him to be more prepared a lot more for everything he does? Do you think his success is underserved? Do you want his bank account numbers?


Apparently you find it difficult to understand that not everybody likes everyone, and they don't necessaries have a personal vendetta against them because of this.

I think that Day9 does not deserve the fame he has within this scene and that the cult of personality he has established is an embarrassment to the intelligence of the average Sc2 fan. Our idols should by Mvp, DRG, Nestea and MarineKing because they are gods of the game, not a guy who spends most of his time courting energy drink and blue chip companies to give him money.

Note that while the players clearly benefit from Red Bull's involvement they don't benefit anything like as much as Day9 does. I'd liken him to Simon Cowell who is clearly a music fan, most likely got into the music industry for the love of music and his acts often benefit greatly from what he does, but primarily in 2012 Simon Cowell cares a hell of a lot more about money than he does about promoting good music. Just like Day9 is far more interested in getting paid by Red Bull or whoever else than he is about making interesting and quality Sc2 content.


and what day9 is doing isnt good for everybody? bringing red bull's attention to sc2 is really fucking good. brining all these tech corporations and getting them to do what they are good at (fight each other) to catch their eye for SC2 is not a bad thing either. you make it sound like all day9 does is try and make money whereas he is actually doing it to advance the public image of SC2... you need your IdrA's and MC's to be characters, you need your MVP's to be bosslike, and you need Day9 to sell the whole package to peopel with big bucks...

hell i mean this is the community that wont even shell out 20$ for MLG... someobody has to bring home the dough for everybody
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
May 24 2012 01:26 GMT
#1851
On May 24 2012 10:22 Pejelagarto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 10:13 Canucklehead wrote:
All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.



Well. it's pretty easy to see when there's jealousy and sometimes the points they make are valid. Not everyone must like him, what I don't understand is this furious hate, I understand if you come from a certain site and that's the cool, dark and edgy thing to do but It's just weird seeing people from other backgrounds jumping in the bandwagon. I mean if they know something we don't , why don't they just come out and say it?


You are the classic example of the guy who buys into the Day9 cult of the personality 100%.
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
May 24 2012 01:26 GMT
#1852
On May 24 2012 10:13 Canucklehead wrote:
All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.


It's actually more of a "my wife left me for another guy" thing.
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
Uwanfite
Profile Joined June 2011
United States83 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 01:29:13
May 24 2012 01:28 GMT
#1853
On May 24 2012 10:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 10:21 draumr wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.



What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.


The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.

Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.


I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.


I didn't realize you guys were close enough to know his personal income.
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
May 24 2012 01:30 GMT
#1854
On May 24 2012 10:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 10:22 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 10:13 Canucklehead wrote:
All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.



Well. it's pretty easy to see when there's jealousy and sometimes the points they make are valid. Not everyone must like him, what I don't understand is this furious hate, I understand if you come from a certain site and that's the cool, dark and edgy thing to do but It's just weird seeing people from other backgrounds jumping in the bandwagon. I mean if they know something we don't , why don't they just come out and say it?


You are the classic example of the guy who buys into the Day9 cult of the personality 100%.


You make a lot of assumptions about Day9's motivations, and have formed an opinion about him based on those assumptions. I think your assumptions are wildly inaccurate.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
May 24 2012 01:33 GMT
#1855
On May 24 2012 10:28 Uwanfite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 10:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 10:21 draumr wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.



What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.


The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.

Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.


I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.


I didn't realize you guys were close enough to know his personal income.


It's common knowledge that Day9 makes a lot of money as mentioned by Huk, Naniwa, Idra, 2GD and others.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 01:42:14
May 24 2012 01:34 GMT
#1856
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.


That is your personal subjective opinion plus some "factual" statements that you have no actual evidence for other than "I feel it is so".
Uwanfite
Profile Joined June 2011
United States83 Posts
May 24 2012 01:35 GMT
#1857
On May 24 2012 10:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 10:28 Uwanfite wrote:
On May 24 2012 10:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 10:21 draumr wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.



What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.


The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.

Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.


I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.


I didn't realize you guys were close enough to know his personal income.


It's common knowledge that Day9 makes a lot of money as mentioned by Huk, Naniwa, Idra, 2GD and others.


Yes, but they don't know how much he spends on his staff.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
May 24 2012 01:35 GMT
#1858
On May 24 2012 10:34 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.


That is your personal subjective opinion plus some "factual" statements that you have no actual evidence for other than "I feel it is so".
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.



No shit it's my opinion, that's why I posted it under my username.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
May 24 2012 01:38 GMT
#1859
On May 24 2012 10:35 Uwanfite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 10:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 10:28 Uwanfite wrote:
On May 24 2012 10:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 10:21 draumr wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.



What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.


The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.

Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.


I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.


I didn't realize you guys were close enough to know his personal income.


It's common knowledge that Day9 makes a lot of money as mentioned by Huk, Naniwa, Idra, 2GD and others.


Yes, but they don't know how much he spends on his staff.


The best way to demonstrate this is when on SOTG if you ask Artosis if you watch this weeks GSL games or Dreamhack/MLG/NASL finals etc.. you better believe the answer is yes. Because he loves the game.

Day9's answer 80% of the time was he didn't bother to watch it. Regardless of how busy you are if you love this game you're not missing an entire major tournament.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 01:46:53
May 24 2012 01:43 GMT
#1860
On May 24 2012 10:35 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 10:34 mcc wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.


That is your personal subjective opinion plus some "factual" statements that you have no actual evidence for other than "I feel it is so".
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.



No shit it's my opinion, that's why I posted it under my username.

And the second part where you state things as facts without anything with any weigth supporting them ?


On May 24 2012 10:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 10:35 Uwanfite wrote:
On May 24 2012 10:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 10:28 Uwanfite wrote:
On May 24 2012 10:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 10:21 draumr wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:44 Pejelagarto wrote:
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).

I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.


Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?

He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?

Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.

So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.



What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.

Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.

In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).

This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.

He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.

I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.


The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.

Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.


I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.


I didn't realize you guys were close enough to know his personal income.


It's common knowledge that Day9 makes a lot of money as mentioned by Huk, Naniwa, Idra, 2GD and others.


Yes, but they don't know how much he spends on his staff.


The best way to demonstrate this is when on SOTG if you ask Artosis if you watch this weeks GSL games or Dreamhack/MLG/NASL finals etc.. you better believe the answer is yes. Because he loves the game.

Day9's answer 80% of the time was he didn't bother to watch it. Regardless of how busy you are if you love this game you're not missing an entire major tournament.

Typical example. Please provide some data for your 80% number ? Or some other high number of your choosing. I think you suffer from very selective memory. Because you have no actual arguments.
Prev 1 91 92 93 94 95 157 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:20
Best Games
Solar vs Cure
herO vs TBD
LiquipediaDiscussion
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
20:00
FSL showmatch Nachoz vs all
Freeedom23
Liquipedia
BSL
20:00
S22 - Open Qualifier #3
ZZZero.O98
LiquipediaDiscussion
LAN Event
16:00
StarCraft Madness Day 2
Airneanach103
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 595
PiGStarcraft260
Ketroc 72
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 370
Shuttle 254
ZZZero.O 98
Oya187 30
NaDa 9
Dota 2
monkeys_forever216
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox746
Other Games
summit1g10442
Grubby3609
FrodaN2125
Liquid`RaSZi1425
B2W.Neo755
ceh9530
mouzStarbuck145
ToD134
UpATreeSC39
JuggernautJason17
deth5
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1028
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream59
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 23 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 138
• Sammyuel 31
• musti20045 27
• Hinosc 11
• Reevou 7
• davetesta2
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 20
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21108
• WagamamaTV498
League of Legends
• Doublelift3634
Other Games
• imaqtpie1601
• Scarra1022
• Shiphtur271
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
10h 36m
Afreeca Starleague
11h 36m
Sharp vs Scan
Rain vs Mong
Wardi Open
13h 36m
Monday Night Weeklies
18h 36m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 11h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 11h
Soulkey vs Ample
JyJ vs sSak
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
KCM Race Survival
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
5 days
Platinum Heroes Events
5 days
BSL
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jeongseon Sooper Cup
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.