On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
Yep, pretty easy to understand. You don't like him or you used to like him and then he murdered your puppy or something.
Also the bit about adding absolutely nothing to any discussion is bullshit. I understand you are not a fan but I still don't understand where this hate comes from and where is it headed. Come on dude. Just what the hell do you want? Do you want him to retire from the sc2 community? Do you want him to be more prepared for everything he does? Do you think his success is undeserved? Do you want his bank account numbers?
All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
Yep, pretty easy to understand. You don't like him or you used to like him and then he murdered your puppy or something.
Also the bit about adding absolutely nothing to any discussion is bullshit. I understand you are not a fan but I still don't understand where this hate comes from and where is it headed. Come on dude. Just what the hell do you want? Do you want him to retire from the sc2 community? Do you want him to be more prepared a lot more for everything he does? Do you think his success is underserved? Do you want his bank account numbers?
Apparently you find it difficult to understand that not everybody likes everyone, and they don't necessaries have a personal vendetta against them because of this.
I think that Day9 does not deserve the fame he has within this scene and that the cult of personality he has established is an embarrassment to the intelligence of the average Sc2 fan. Our idols should by Mvp, DRG, Nestea and MarineKing because they are gods of the game, not a guy who spends most of his time courting energy drink and blue chip companies to give him money.
Note that while the players clearly benefit from Red Bull's involvement they don't benefit anything like as much as Day9 does. I'd liken him to Simon Cowell who is clearly a music fan, most likely got into the music industry for the love of music and his acts often benefit greatly from what he does, but primarily in 2012 Simon Cowell cares a hell of a lot more about money than he does about promoting good music. Just like Day9 is far more interested in getting paid by Red Bull or whoever else than he is about making interesting and quality Sc2 content.
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.
Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.
On May 24 2012 10:13 Canucklehead wrote: All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.
Well. it's pretty easy to see when there's jealousy and sometimes the points they make are valid. Not everyone must like him, what I don't understand is this furious hate, I understand if you come from a certain site and that's the cool, dark and edgy thing to do but It's just weird seeing people from other backgrounds jumping in the bandwagon. I mean if they know something we don't , why don't they just come out and say it?
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
Yep, pretty easy to understand. You don't like him or you used to like him and then he murdered your puppy or something.
Also the bit about adding absolutely nothing to any discussion is bullshit. I understand you are not a fan but I still don't understand where this hate comes from and where is it headed. Come on dude. Just what the hell do you want? Do you want him to retire from the sc2 community? Do you want him to be more prepared a lot more for everything he does? Do you think his success is underserved? Do you want his bank account numbers?
Apparently you find it difficult to understand that not everybody likes everyone, and they don't necessaries have a personal vendetta against them because of this.
I think that Day9 does not deserve the fame he has within this scene and that the cult of personality he has established is an embarrassment to the intelligence of the average Sc2 fan. Our idols should by Mvp, DRG, Nestea and MarineKing because they are gods of the game, not a guy who spends most of his time courting energy drink and blue chip companies to give him money.
Note that while the players clearly benefit from Red Bull's involvement they don't benefit anything like as much as Day9 does. I'd liken him to Simon Cowell who is clearly a music fan, most likely got into the music industry for the love of music and his acts often benefit greatly from what he does, but primarily in 2012 Simon Cowell cares a hell of a lot more about money than he does about promoting good music. Just like Day9 is far more interested in getting paid by Red Bull or whoever else than he is about making interesting and quality Sc2 content.
That's easier to understand (the bold stuff) , a bit. I don't see what's wrong with the rest of the stuff even if it's true (which I doubt). He makes money and benefits some players while doing it, at least you see something positive.
Don't you think his fame is related to the "courting energy drink and blue chip companies to give him money"? I think you do understand he has a place in the community and that while you think his fame is undeserved you at least see something positive in what he is doing. It's a pretty acceptable position to have, of course without the whole he gets paid therefore he is a money whore. I don't know about you but this pseudodiscussion was certainly satisfactory. Have a good day sir.
On May 24 2012 10:13 Canucklehead wrote: All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.
This is the problem with making -any- controversial opinion about public figures.
The celebrity worship gets so bad that anyone who even says a single negative thing, be it constructive or not, is simply painted as a "hater".
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.
Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.
I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
Yep, pretty easy to understand. You don't like him or you used to like him and then he murdered your puppy or something.
Also the bit about adding absolutely nothing to any discussion is bullshit. I understand you are not a fan but I still don't understand where this hate comes from and where is it headed. Come on dude. Just what the hell do you want? Do you want him to retire from the sc2 community? Do you want him to be more prepared a lot more for everything he does? Do you think his success is underserved? Do you want his bank account numbers?
Apparently you find it difficult to understand that not everybody likes everyone, and they don't necessaries have a personal vendetta against them because of this.
I think that Day9 does not deserve the fame he has within this scene and that the cult of personality he has established is an embarrassment to the intelligence of the average Sc2 fan. Our idols should by Mvp, DRG, Nestea and MarineKing because they are gods of the game, not a guy who spends most of his time courting energy drink and blue chip companies to give him money.
Note that while the players clearly benefit from Red Bull's involvement they don't benefit anything like as much as Day9 does. I'd liken him to Simon Cowell who is clearly a music fan, most likely got into the music industry for the love of music and his acts often benefit greatly from what he does, but primarily in 2012 Simon Cowell cares a hell of a lot more about money than he does about promoting good music. Just like Day9 is far more interested in getting paid by Red Bull or whoever else than he is about making interesting and quality Sc2 content.
and what day9 is doing isnt good for everybody? bringing red bull's attention to sc2 is really fucking good. brining all these tech corporations and getting them to do what they are good at (fight each other) to catch their eye for SC2 is not a bad thing either. you make it sound like all day9 does is try and make money whereas he is actually doing it to advance the public image of SC2... you need your IdrA's and MC's to be characters, you need your MVP's to be bosslike, and you need Day9 to sell the whole package to peopel with big bucks...
hell i mean this is the community that wont even shell out 20$ for MLG... someobody has to bring home the dough for everybody
On May 24 2012 10:13 Canucklehead wrote: All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.
Well. it's pretty easy to see when there's jealousy and sometimes the points they make are valid. Not everyone must like him, what I don't understand is this furious hate, I understand if you come from a certain site and that's the cool, dark and edgy thing to do but It's just weird seeing people from other backgrounds jumping in the bandwagon. I mean if they know something we don't , why don't they just come out and say it?
You are the classic example of the guy who buys into the Day9 cult of the personality 100%.
On May 24 2012 10:13 Canucklehead wrote: All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.
It's actually more of a "my wife left me for another guy" thing.
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.
Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.
I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.
I didn't realize you guys were close enough to know his personal income.
On May 24 2012 10:13 Canucklehead wrote: All the day9 hate is due to 1 reason and 1 reason alone - jealousy. There's a lot of jealousy in esports and the haters can't stand the fact that he's a baller now.
Well. it's pretty easy to see when there's jealousy and sometimes the points they make are valid. Not everyone must like him, what I don't understand is this furious hate, I understand if you come from a certain site and that's the cool, dark and edgy thing to do but It's just weird seeing people from other backgrounds jumping in the bandwagon. I mean if they know something we don't , why don't they just come out and say it?
You are the classic example of the guy who buys into the Day9 cult of the personality 100%.
You make a lot of assumptions about Day9's motivations, and have formed an opinion about him based on those assumptions. I think your assumptions are wildly inaccurate.
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.
Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.
I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.
I didn't realize you guys were close enough to know his personal income.
It's common knowledge that Day9 makes a lot of money as mentioned by Huk, Naniwa, Idra, 2GD and others.
On May 24 2012 09:58 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
That is your personal subjective opinion plus some "factual" statements that you have no actual evidence for other than "I feel it is so".
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.
Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.
I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.
I didn't realize you guys were close enough to know his personal income.
It's common knowledge that Day9 makes a lot of money as mentioned by Huk, Naniwa, Idra, 2GD and others.
Yes, but they don't know how much he spends on his staff.
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
That is your personal subjective opinion plus some "factual" statements that you have no actual evidence for other than "I feel it is so". What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
No shit it's my opinion, that's why I posted it under my username.
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.
Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.
I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.
I didn't realize you guys were close enough to know his personal income.
It's common knowledge that Day9 makes a lot of money as mentioned by Huk, Naniwa, Idra, 2GD and others.
Yes, but they don't know how much he spends on his staff.
The best way to demonstrate this is when on SOTG if you ask Artosis if you watch this weeks GSL games or Dreamhack/MLG/NASL finals etc.. you better believe the answer is yes. Because he loves the game.
Day9's answer 80% of the time was he didn't bother to watch it. Regardless of how busy you are if you love this game you're not missing an entire major tournament.
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
That is your personal subjective opinion plus some "factual" statements that you have no actual evidence for other than "I feel it is so". What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
No shit it's my opinion, that's why I posted it under my username.
And the second part where you state things as facts without anything with any weigth supporting them ?
On May 24 2012 09:04 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Day9/the panel completely ignoring the distinction between getting into esports for the money (which clearly Day9 didn't) and becoming a corporate shill once the money comes in (which imo Day9 has become).
I think as well that clearly Day9 loved Brood War but probably just likes Sc2 and is more in it for the money, not solely for the money mind you. You can tell as soon as he mentions Brood War that it just means far more to him.
Have you ever watched any of the old dailies? I'm just asking because you make it sound like you know what you are talking about but then you shoot yourself in the foot. First you say he isn't in sc2 for the money and then you say he is. Which is it?
He made dailies about the first sc2 battle reports before the beta even started, how the fuck is that being in it for the money?
Sc2 took off, the bubble expanded, you know what I'm talking about but something else could have happened. He can make a living doing what he loves now but if he didn't, I'm pretty sure he would still make the daily. Nothing came falling off the sky for him, he worked hard. Now if in your opinion you think he doesn't deserve it or that he isn't doing the most he can for the grow of esports now it's another subject ,which can be discussed if you like ,but when you are somehow acting like you know why he does this or that without knowing what the hell are you talking about it's very infuriating.
So either explain your point well, know what you are talking about or just be honest and say you don't like him.
What's hard to understand? Seems pretty simple to me.
Day9 got into esports because he loved Brood War, he got into Sc2 because he loved Brood War.
In Sc2 his number one priority is taking pay cheques from big business to make Sc2 or any general gaming related content (he's not really bothered what they want from him anymore provided esports dollars are changing hands).
This wasn't an overnight process, this was a gradual transition from the beta where he was a player, to early sc2 where he was a caster and content maker with his finger of the pulse of the scene to the current state of day9 where his dailies are more stale than a year old dairy product and his knowledge of the game and pro scene is really poor.
He adds absolutely nothing to any discussion on any shows he attends (not the he really does them anymore unless he has a product to sell (i.e the latest Red Bull foray into Esports or the After Hours Gaming League, which is terrible by the way, but Day9 doesn't care because he's making money from it) other than to be 100% positive about everything and anything because he wouldn't want to ruin his public image by having an opinion on something.
I honestly can't remember the last time I heard him say something genuinely interesting about anything in Sc2, unlike say Artosis, Tyler, Incontrol, Idra and DjWheat who act like real people with real opinions instead of an infomercial presenter.
The reason day[9] doesn't add anything to any discussion is precisely because of people like you. He DOES have a brand to sell, its his living and he has to make sure his name remains good. He is an extremely smart person, and does a very good job of keeping his brand intact. He does that through being very careful with what he says, and what he associates himself with. If he could speak his mind without worrying about getting the amount of hate that someone like Incontrol gets, he might just do it, but the consequences if that hate comes could potentially be huge, and isn't worth it.
Day[9] spends pretty much every moment of his life thinking about sc2, and how to make it bigger and more successful. He puts a ton of stress on himself, and does it mostly because he loves Starcraft. Continue to dislike him if you wish, but do it without making ignorant statements like he only does it for the money, and it will make you sound a lot less a lot foolish.
I don't begrudge him getting paid at all. I begrudge him getting paid such exorbitant amounts for making poor content and I begrudge him getting paid more than top players.
I didn't realize you guys were close enough to know his personal income.
It's common knowledge that Day9 makes a lot of money as mentioned by Huk, Naniwa, Idra, 2GD and others.
Yes, but they don't know how much he spends on his staff.
The best way to demonstrate this is when on SOTG if you ask Artosis if you watch this weeks GSL games or Dreamhack/MLG/NASL finals etc.. you better believe the answer is yes. Because he loves the game.
Day9's answer 80% of the time was he didn't bother to watch it. Regardless of how busy you are if you love this game you're not missing an entire major tournament.
Typical example. Please provide some data for your 80% number ? Or some other high number of your choosing. I think you suffer from very selective memory. Because you have no actual arguments.
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