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It is highly recommended that your read this entire thread - at least until page 10. If you make uninformed opinions that have been answered by the thread, col management or Destiny, you will be banned.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
June 23 2011 14:51 GMT
#821
ROOT was imo better than col and without Kiwi and slush, col still isn't much of a powerhouse, so not a big loss for Destiny. In any case, seems like a really sad development and overly hostile kick. I can understand if col doesn't accept his online behaviour, but no real reason to be rude about it(esp if it was more about the contract obligations, not the behaviour?).
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 14:54:05
June 23 2011 14:53 GMT
#822
On June 23 2011 22:38 Nego wrote:
all yall are so stupid who cares bout manners and all that crap why do ppl have to change the way they are for others shit i applaud destiny for still doing him and not what ppl tell him to do screw al that manner stuff and be yourself if you dont like it then suck it

User was warned for this post


This is pretty much Destiny, his fanbase, and their attitude toward competitive and structured gaming in a nutshell.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
jambOng
Profile Joined January 2010
United States86 Posts
June 23 2011 14:54 GMT
#823
bad move by destiny, bad move.
GG.
brazenraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Romania122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 15:06:40
June 23 2011 15:04 GMT
#824
gotta say- it really seems like col's intention was to throw steve under the bus here. the statement by col was unbusinesslike at best and callous at worst.

e: and this is coming from someone who isn't a particular fan of destiny- dont like the guy
Zerg definitely does have responses to FFs pre-hive tech. Infestors, baneling drops, burrowed roaches, and mutas are all options
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 15:10:17
June 23 2011 15:09 GMT
#825
Please ignore this post.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 15:12:21
June 23 2011 15:10 GMT
#826
Destiny's thoughts, sorry if this is a repost but I hadn't seen it yet.

edit: My bad. It was.
coljbass
Profile Joined June 2011
United States42 Posts
June 23 2011 15:18 GMT
#827
On June 24 2011 00:04 brazenraven wrote:
gotta say- it really seems like col's intention was to throw steve under the bus here. the statement by col was unbusinesslike at best and callous at worst.

e: and this is coming from someone who isn't a particular fan of destiny- dont like the guy


I really don't understand what more we should have said or how it can be deemed unprofessional?

Destiny himself said he signed the contract, knew what he was signing and then broke the contract which is and I quote Destiny "A Douche Move".

This was not all about what he says or doesn't say on the stream. He did not want to be part of Complexity. We could have chosen to be dicks about it and hold him to the contract he signed and not let him play for anyone. He did not want to wear the tag, did not want to honor our sponsors and all of these things stem from him not wanting to be a part of a larger organization. We talked to him at length and at the end of the day I don't understand his reasons. We knew what we were getting when we signed him and really we were for the most part fine with who he is and what he does on his stream. Obviously we could not have racial comments etc but at the end of the day this was HIS decision and we allowed him to make his own choice and he CHOSE to leave. So even though the title of our release is we "released" him that simply means we allowed him out of his legally binding contract, which we certainly did not have to do.

I don't think anyone is the bad guy here. This is not a decision that had animosity on either side. We don't want a player that does not want to be part of us and he did not want to be part of us.

So end of the day, I am not sure how we could have handled this better. We wish Destiny nothing but the best.
Bedrock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
June 23 2011 15:18 GMT
#828
Controversy brings attention, which is why Destiny is a big hit. Whether or not you're a fan of it, I'll admit from a business perspective that it's a good draw-in focal point that he's outside of the "norm".

With that said, I don't think that's what Complexity is about, and they differed so much that they agreed to disagree.

The signing of the contract however, is something Steven should have thought about, whether it's pressure from your friends or whoever. If you're signing a contract no matter what it's about, you better damn well read it as you should always know what you're getting yourself into. If the contract said that you must give away your next unborn child and he signed it, then what?

We are all not exactly sure what was on that contract, but I'm pretty sure it could have been far worse than a public announcement of his release.
eSports or die tryin'
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
June 23 2011 15:23 GMT
#829
coljbass,

You say you don't understand his reasons, can you elaborate on that a little more?
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
June 23 2011 15:24 GMT
#830
On June 24 2011 00:18 coljbass wrote:
I really don't understand what more we should have said or how it can be deemed unprofessional?


So end of the day, I am not sure how we could have handled this better. We wish Destiny nothing but the best.


The release was unprofessional to be sure. You should have worded the following much better:

Then, despite being fully aware of what would be expected of him, he decided that he didn’t want to be part of a “big organization.” He refused to honor any of the terms in the contract.


There's no need to go into the specifics of why he left. Using those quotation marks in that context seems particularly demeaning and is taken out of context of what Destiny actually said. "SC2 business team at this time" (See edit in the OP).

coL tries to make it seem like he was childish or something in wanting to leave the team. Seems like it was just more the case of him not properly considering the contract before signing. If he'd done so, he may never have joined in the first place.



Calm
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada380 Posts
June 23 2011 15:28 GMT
#831
On June 24 2011 00:18 coljbass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:04 brazenraven wrote:
gotta say- it really seems like col's intention was to throw steve under the bus here. the statement by col was unbusinesslike at best and callous at worst.

e: and this is coming from someone who isn't a particular fan of destiny- dont like the guy


I really don't understand what more we should have said or how it can be deemed unprofessional?

Destiny himself said he signed the contract, knew what he was signing and then broke the contract which is and I quote Destiny "A Douche Move".

This was not all about what he says or doesn't say on the stream. He did not want to be part of Complexity. We could have chosen to be dicks about it and hold him to the contract he signed and not let him play for anyone. He did not want to wear the tag, did not want to honor our sponsors and all of these things stem from him not wanting to be a part of a larger organization. We talked to him at length and at the end of the day I don't understand his reasons. We knew what we were getting when we signed him and really we were for the most part fine with who he is and what he does on his stream. Obviously we could not have racial comments etc but at the end of the day this was HIS decision and we allowed him to make his own choice and he CHOSE to leave. So even though the title of our release is we "released" him that simply means we allowed him out of his legally binding contract, which we certainly did not have to do.

I don't think anyone is the bad guy here. This is not a decision that had animosity on either side. We don't want a player that does not want to be part of us and he did not want to be part of us.

So end of the day, I am not sure how we could have handled this better. We wish Destiny nothing but the best.


I think the part of the statement that a lot of people are taking issue with is the part that talks about "polarizing opinions expressed on his stream". From what Destiny has said and other Complexity members have stated, it seems that he just failed to fulfill the contract by not participating. Maybe you have some insight into why that was included in the statement?

coljbass
Profile Joined June 2011
United States42 Posts
June 23 2011 15:28 GMT
#832
On June 24 2011 00:23 Klipsys wrote:
coljbass,

You say you don't understand his reasons, can you elaborate on that a little more?


He essentially said over and over in all of our conversations that he was just not sure he wanted to be part of a "big organization". We really wanted him to stay. He never really defined what problem he had with being part of a "big organization". So with that I just don't know really what the root of the issue was. Maybe he believed we would be micro managing all of his activities. At the end of the day, only he knows his real reasons and he made his decision and we honored that decision.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
June 23 2011 15:29 GMT
#833
On June 24 2011 00:28 coljbass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:23 Klipsys wrote:
coljbass,

You say you don't understand his reasons, can you elaborate on that a little more?


He never really defined what problem he had with being part of a "big organization".


Censorship obviously.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
June 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#834
If it's not for him then it's not for him. I don't know why everyone is making a big deal out of it, or debating anything at all. What you think on the matter is irrelevant: ultimately a decision was made by both parties, and whether it was good or bad, it was done.
coljbass
Profile Joined June 2011
United States42 Posts
June 23 2011 15:33 GMT
#835
On June 24 2011 00:24 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:18 coljbass wrote:
I really don't understand what more we should have said or how it can be deemed unprofessional?


So end of the day, I am not sure how we could have handled this better. We wish Destiny nothing but the best.


The release was unprofessional to be sure. You should have worded the following much better:

Show nested quote +
Then, despite being fully aware of what would be expected of him, he decided that he didn’t want to be part of a “big organization.” He refused to honor any of the terms in the contract.


There's no need to go into the specifics of why he left. Using those quotation marks in that context seems particularly demeaning and is taken out of context of what Destiny actually said. "SC2 business team at this time" (See edit in the OP).

coL tries to make it seem like he was childish or something in wanting to leave the team. Seems like it was just more the case of him not properly considering the contract before signing. If he'd done so, he may never have joined in the first place.






The quotes are in there because that is exactly what he said and if you look at my last response before this one I used the same quotes. You need to use quotes when you are verbatim quoting someone and that is what we did. It is not meant to be demeaning. It needed to be clear that he was saying that and not us. Also as far as the polarizing opinion statements, it is a polite way of saying that there are some issues with some of things he says on his stream. While he was with us he did tone it down. He has a following because of the things he says but at the end of the day we can not be associated with certain things he says, ie racist things etc.
dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
June 23 2011 15:33 GMT
#836
On June 23 2011 22:36 Partywave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 06:00 Jayrod wrote:
On June 23 2011 05:46 ShadowDrgn wrote:
On June 23 2011 05:42 iNcontroL wrote:
this translates to me as a refusal to do normal team stuff like blog, post on site etc.. am I wrong?

In any regard I like destiny >_< wish he'd value community/teams more though.. he could grow as a player!


Well they didn't provide many details, but did mention opinions expressed on his stream and "professionalism." Honestly, no one watches Destiny just for his playing ability - he's popular for being wild. Complexity picking him up and expecting him to be a model G-rated player would be as stupid as EG requiring Idra to gg in all of his games.

He was an acquisition as part of a deal... its like when these wow guilds acquire each other to get stronger.. .you always have to take on some jobbers and then you begin immediately looking for reasons to get rid of them without rocking the boat. Destiny is a jobber... he's an okay player, but to be honest its not worth the headache trying to rein him in. Like, can anyone EG having a player like idra, minus the talent? IdrA is popular DESPITE his attitude while Destiny is popular DUE TO his attitude



^This response really captures the issue, well said. Can we give this man a banana sticker?


its also not true. idra is more popular because of his personality.idra without being the way he is would be a good player, but would not have nearly as many fans.
brazenraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Romania122 Posts
June 23 2011 15:35 GMT
#837
On June 24 2011 00:18 coljbass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:04 brazenraven wrote:
gotta say- it really seems like col's intention was to throw steve under the bus here. the statement by col was unbusinesslike at best and callous at worst.

e: and this is coming from someone who isn't a particular fan of destiny- dont like the guy


I really don't understand what more we should have said or how it can be deemed unprofessional?

Destiny himself said he signed the contract, knew what he was signing and then broke the contract which is and I quote Destiny "A Douche Move".

This was not all about what he says or doesn't say on the stream. He did not want to be part of Complexity. We could have chosen to be dicks about it and hold him to the contract he signed and not let him play for anyone. He did not want to wear the tag, did not want to honor our sponsors and all of these things stem from him not wanting to be a part of a larger organization. We talked to him at length and at the end of the day I don't understand his reasons. We knew what we were getting when we signed him and really we were for the most part fine with who he is and what he does on his stream. Obviously we could not have racial comments etc but at the end of the day this was HIS decision and we allowed him to make his own choice and he CHOSE to leave. So even though the title of our release is we "released" him that simply means we allowed him out of his legally binding contract, which we certainly did not have to do.

I don't think anyone is the bad guy here. This is not a decision that had animosity on either side. We don't want a player that does not want to be part of us and he did not want to be part of us.

So end of the day, I am not sure how we could have handled this better. We wish Destiny nothing but the best.

it's too bad you don't know how you could have better handled this.
Zerg definitely does have responses to FFs pre-hive tech. Infestors, baneling drops, burrowed roaches, and mutas are all options
Spacedude
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark161 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 15:38:40
June 23 2011 15:35 GMT
#838
On June 23 2011 23:53 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 22:38 Nego wrote:
all yall are so stupid who cares bout manners and all that crap why do ppl have to change the way they are for others shit i applaud destiny for still doing him and not what ppl tell him to do screw al that manner stuff and be yourself if you dont like it then suck it

User was warned for this post


This is pretty much Destiny, his fanbase, and their attitude toward competitive and structured gaming in a nutshell.


That's bullsh*t and you know it. You have no rights to generalize Destiny or his fans as such. This kid is clearly not very intelligent or is at least very immature. But I doubt very much that his kind represents the majority of Destiny's fans. And saying Destiny is like this just screams out how little you know about him.
Protoss win, Protoss OP. Terran win, Terran OP. Zerg win, Zerg OP. Less whine, more gg.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
June 23 2011 15:37 GMT
#839
On June 24 2011 00:33 coljbass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 00:24 Zorkmid wrote:
On June 24 2011 00:18 coljbass wrote:
I really don't understand what more we should have said or how it can be deemed unprofessional?


So end of the day, I am not sure how we could have handled this better. We wish Destiny nothing but the best.


The release was unprofessional to be sure. You should have worded the following much better:

Then, despite being fully aware of what would be expected of him, he decided that he didn’t want to be part of a “big organization.” He refused to honor any of the terms in the contract.


There's no need to go into the specifics of why he left. Using those quotation marks in that context seems particularly demeaning and is taken out of context of what Destiny actually said. "SC2 business team at this time" (See edit in the OP).

coL tries to make it seem like he was childish or something in wanting to leave the team. Seems like it was just more the case of him not properly considering the contract before signing. If he'd done so, he may never have joined in the first place.






You need to use quotes when you are verbatim quoting someone and that is what we did.


Last post in here, we're in obvious disagreement here. When you're quoting someone verbatim you should use more than two words, or what you're doing is quote-mining.
coljbass
Profile Joined June 2011
United States42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 15:42:40
June 23 2011 15:40 GMT
#840
You need to use quotes when you are verbatim quoting someone and that is what we did.[/QUOTE]

Last post in here, we're in obvious disagreement here. When you're quoting someone verbatim you should use more than two words, or what you're doing is quote-mining.[/QUOTE]

Those were the ONLY two words he kept using over and over again. As I said above I have no context to his meaning so it is not quote mining it is quoting exactly what was said on several occasions over the last week.
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