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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On June 23 2011 22:38 Nego wrote: all yall are so stupid who cares bout manners and all that crap why do ppl have to change the way they are for others shit i applaud destiny for still doing him and not what ppl tell him to do screw al that manner stuff and be yourself if you dont like it then suck it User was warned for this post This is pretty much Destiny, his fanbase, and their attitude toward competitive and structured gaming in a nutshell. | ||
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jambOng
United States86 Posts
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brazenraven
Romania122 Posts
e: and this is coming from someone who isn't a particular fan of destiny- dont like the guy | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
edit: My bad. It was. | ||
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coljbass
United States42 Posts
On June 24 2011 00:04 brazenraven wrote: gotta say- it really seems like col's intention was to throw steve under the bus here. the statement by col was unbusinesslike at best and callous at worst. e: and this is coming from someone who isn't a particular fan of destiny- dont like the guy I really don't understand what more we should have said or how it can be deemed unprofessional? Destiny himself said he signed the contract, knew what he was signing and then broke the contract which is and I quote Destiny "A Douche Move". This was not all about what he says or doesn't say on the stream. He did not want to be part of Complexity. We could have chosen to be dicks about it and hold him to the contract he signed and not let him play for anyone. He did not want to wear the tag, did not want to honor our sponsors and all of these things stem from him not wanting to be a part of a larger organization. We talked to him at length and at the end of the day I don't understand his reasons. We knew what we were getting when we signed him and really we were for the most part fine with who he is and what he does on his stream. Obviously we could not have racial comments etc but at the end of the day this was HIS decision and we allowed him to make his own choice and he CHOSE to leave. So even though the title of our release is we "released" him that simply means we allowed him out of his legally binding contract, which we certainly did not have to do. I don't think anyone is the bad guy here. This is not a decision that had animosity on either side. We don't want a player that does not want to be part of us and he did not want to be part of us. So end of the day, I am not sure how we could have handled this better. We wish Destiny nothing but the best. | ||
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Bedrock
United States395 Posts
With that said, I don't think that's what Complexity is about, and they differed so much that they agreed to disagree. The signing of the contract however, is something Steven should have thought about, whether it's pressure from your friends or whoever. If you're signing a contract no matter what it's about, you better damn well read it as you should always know what you're getting yourself into. If the contract said that you must give away your next unborn child and he signed it, then what? We are all not exactly sure what was on that contract, but I'm pretty sure it could have been far worse than a public announcement of his release. | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
You say you don't understand his reasons, can you elaborate on that a little more? | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On June 24 2011 00:18 coljbass wrote: I really don't understand what more we should have said or how it can be deemed unprofessional? So end of the day, I am not sure how we could have handled this better. We wish Destiny nothing but the best. The release was unprofessional to be sure. You should have worded the following much better: Then, despite being fully aware of what would be expected of him, he decided that he didn’t want to be part of a “big organization.” He refused to honor any of the terms in the contract. There's no need to go into the specifics of why he left. Using those quotation marks in that context seems particularly demeaning and is taken out of context of what Destiny actually said. "SC2 business team at this time" (See edit in the OP). coL tries to make it seem like he was childish or something in wanting to leave the team. Seems like it was just more the case of him not properly considering the contract before signing. If he'd done so, he may never have joined in the first place. | ||
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Calm
Canada380 Posts
On June 24 2011 00:18 coljbass wrote: I really don't understand what more we should have said or how it can be deemed unprofessional? Destiny himself said he signed the contract, knew what he was signing and then broke the contract which is and I quote Destiny "A Douche Move". This was not all about what he says or doesn't say on the stream. He did not want to be part of Complexity. We could have chosen to be dicks about it and hold him to the contract he signed and not let him play for anyone. He did not want to wear the tag, did not want to honor our sponsors and all of these things stem from him not wanting to be a part of a larger organization. We talked to him at length and at the end of the day I don't understand his reasons. We knew what we were getting when we signed him and really we were for the most part fine with who he is and what he does on his stream. Obviously we could not have racial comments etc but at the end of the day this was HIS decision and we allowed him to make his own choice and he CHOSE to leave. So even though the title of our release is we "released" him that simply means we allowed him out of his legally binding contract, which we certainly did not have to do. I don't think anyone is the bad guy here. This is not a decision that had animosity on either side. We don't want a player that does not want to be part of us and he did not want to be part of us. So end of the day, I am not sure how we could have handled this better. We wish Destiny nothing but the best. I think the part of the statement that a lot of people are taking issue with is the part that talks about "polarizing opinions expressed on his stream". From what Destiny has said and other Complexity members have stated, it seems that he just failed to fulfill the contract by not participating. Maybe you have some insight into why that was included in the statement? | ||
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coljbass
United States42 Posts
On June 24 2011 00:23 Klipsys wrote: coljbass, You say you don't understand his reasons, can you elaborate on that a little more? He essentially said over and over in all of our conversations that he was just not sure he wanted to be part of a "big organization". We really wanted him to stay. He never really defined what problem he had with being part of a "big organization". So with that I just don't know really what the root of the issue was. Maybe he believed we would be micro managing all of his activities. At the end of the day, only he knows his real reasons and he made his decision and we honored that decision. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On June 24 2011 00:28 coljbass wrote: He never really defined what problem he had with being part of a "big organization". Censorship obviously. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
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coljbass
United States42 Posts
On June 24 2011 00:24 Zorkmid wrote: The release was unprofessional to be sure. You should have worded the following much better: There's no need to go into the specifics of why he left. Using those quotation marks in that context seems particularly demeaning and is taken out of context of what Destiny actually said. "SC2 business team at this time" (See edit in the OP). coL tries to make it seem like he was childish or something in wanting to leave the team. Seems like it was just more the case of him not properly considering the contract before signing. If he'd done so, he may never have joined in the first place. The quotes are in there because that is exactly what he said and if you look at my last response before this one I used the same quotes. You need to use quotes when you are verbatim quoting someone and that is what we did. It is not meant to be demeaning. It needed to be clear that he was saying that and not us. Also as far as the polarizing opinion statements, it is a polite way of saying that there are some issues with some of things he says on his stream. While he was with us he did tone it down. He has a following because of the things he says but at the end of the day we can not be associated with certain things he says, ie racist things etc. | ||
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
On June 23 2011 22:36 Partywave wrote: ^This response really captures the issue, well said. Can we give this man a banana sticker? its also not true. idra is more popular because of his personality.idra without being the way he is would be a good player, but would not have nearly as many fans. | ||
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brazenraven
Romania122 Posts
On June 24 2011 00:18 coljbass wrote: I really don't understand what more we should have said or how it can be deemed unprofessional? Destiny himself said he signed the contract, knew what he was signing and then broke the contract which is and I quote Destiny "A Douche Move". This was not all about what he says or doesn't say on the stream. He did not want to be part of Complexity. We could have chosen to be dicks about it and hold him to the contract he signed and not let him play for anyone. He did not want to wear the tag, did not want to honor our sponsors and all of these things stem from him not wanting to be a part of a larger organization. We talked to him at length and at the end of the day I don't understand his reasons. We knew what we were getting when we signed him and really we were for the most part fine with who he is and what he does on his stream. Obviously we could not have racial comments etc but at the end of the day this was HIS decision and we allowed him to make his own choice and he CHOSE to leave. So even though the title of our release is we "released" him that simply means we allowed him out of his legally binding contract, which we certainly did not have to do. I don't think anyone is the bad guy here. This is not a decision that had animosity on either side. We don't want a player that does not want to be part of us and he did not want to be part of us. So end of the day, I am not sure how we could have handled this better. We wish Destiny nothing but the best. it's too bad you don't know how you could have better handled this. | ||
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Spacedude
Denmark161 Posts
On June 23 2011 23:53 Kraznaya wrote: This is pretty much Destiny, his fanbase, and their attitude toward competitive and structured gaming in a nutshell. That's bullsh*t and you know it. You have no rights to generalize Destiny or his fans as such. This kid is clearly not very intelligent or is at least very immature. But I doubt very much that his kind represents the majority of Destiny's fans. And saying Destiny is like this just screams out how little you know about him. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On June 24 2011 00:33 coljbass wrote: You need to use quotes when you are verbatim quoting someone and that is what we did. Last post in here, we're in obvious disagreement here. When you're quoting someone verbatim you should use more than two words, or what you're doing is quote-mining. | ||
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coljbass
United States42 Posts
Last post in here, we're in obvious disagreement here. When you're quoting someone verbatim you should use more than two words, or what you're doing is quote-mining.[/QUOTE] Those were the ONLY two words he kept using over and over again. As I said above I have no context to his meaning so it is not quote mining it is quoting exactly what was said on several occasions over the last week. | ||
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