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eXwOn
Canada351 Posts
Best of luck to both parties, I wish you a happy future. Also+ Show Spoiler + I've had to face him twice on the ladder. He isn't the cheery haha let's have fun type of guy. Once I was complementing him and he made me feel like shit, and the next after he rage quit he after game chatted me making personal attacks. This was many months ago, though | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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sirkyan
211 Posts
I have spent countless hours on his stream. What keeps me coming back is, besides his gameplay, his intellect. He is bad mannered at times but I believe it is in good fun. Rarely have I felt that he actually got mad or even irritated about losing a game, even if the opponent says something mingy. I like his rather loose take on the games as individual games which in contrast to his take on the game in general is, for me, spirit hightening and, I don't know. It's a nice thing. "Lose the battle win the war" kind of mentality. At least that's what I feel. I can be wrong however, it's subjective. Further elaborating I believe this could be a product of him being highly logical. I don't get the feeling he is "anti-establishment", an anarchist or any kind of synonym. He does act in a special way, truly. Taking his outspoken values into account however I don't think anything he does is not based on logic. He is definitely consistent with how he acts and it's easy to follow his train of thought when he explains any of his actions, theorycrafts or similar simply because it's seemingly flawless. Steven is most definitely very intelligent. I don't think anyone who has spent any number of hours will tell you differently. His theorycrafting is very strong. His arguments are rock solid. His actions are justifiable. He is truly a cerebral. Which brings me to my actual point if it has been unclear so far: Steven has tremendous potential. His will to grow and improve is impressive. If he sticks at it he will undoubtedly be one of the greats. How does this relate back to the coL-situaion? It doesn't necessarily. But it does present my view on his future possibilities. If the two sides reached an agreement where a departion was for the best I am sure that was indeed for the best. Okay! I'm sorry for any linguistic or grammatical errors or if anything is unclear  ! | ||
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waitwhat
United States152 Posts
gl hf steven | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
No one is angry at each other, destiny didn't think col was for him, and was somewhat pressured to join with most of the other root members. Let it be. But now that the topic of idra has come up, I can't help but chip in, telling me to kill myself multiple times, isn't exactly "toning it down". Col and destiny just didn't work out. That's all it is...let it be.... | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:11 Destiny wrote: How can someone with so many posts be so absolutely fucking batshit retarded? From now on, instead of people wasting their time fact-checking, maybe you should just write up every single post that goes on the front page since you have all of the inside facts. I have never in my life been told that I sound "uneducated" by any person I've ever had a serious conversation with, ever. You, on the other hand, look like a total fucking fool. Your post is a combination of baseless assumptions, fueled with an incredible bias against me, with absolutely no factual basis at all. ""Unexposed to reality"? I own a house, I have a child, I've worked full time jobs and gone to school at the same time, I've been through quite a bit of ridiculous shit that most people haven't. I'm sorry, what "reality" is it that I have yet to be exposed to? We had access to the contract for quite a while, but it was incredibly unclear whether or not ROOT would actually be absorbed into complexity for quite some time. By the time I found out, I had less than a day to give some actual thought into the long-term implications of the contract. I'm being incredibly candid in my explanations. There is very rarely a good reason to break a contract; this was not one of those times, I should have never signed it initially. I'm just explaining the "why", not trying to justify my actions. I don't know who you are, or what you do, but I give very careful consideration to everything I do online, so fuck off. Just a simple question since you are being transparent with this. What aspect of the contract was disagreeable? Because the post by Complexity Gaming states that they found some of your language and opinions to be contrary to the direction of their organization and that was the breaking point; yet you claim that you arrived at a decision that was of your own accord. Were the language and polarizing opinions a mutual separating point? Because as it sounds now both sides claim to hold the initiative in making the decision, which is a bit confusing to me. | ||
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delchuu
Germany166 Posts
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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:37 eXwOn wrote: Whenever I hear news on Destiny it always seems he's taking a turn for the worst. Perhaps something needs to change destiny. Best of luck to both parties, I wish you a happy future. He recently got into grandmasters, so skillwise he's improving. | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:37 DharmaTurtle wrote: Did I say Destiny was causing a problem for Root/coL? Not sure what you think I'm wrong about lol. I typed the last sentence of my last post for a reason, and yet you still don't understand the posts. I won't waste my time anymore. Useless. The posts have nothing to do with you, it's about the effects of the players and their actions for whatever team they may be on. | ||
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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:37 stratmatt wrote: it sounds more like they only picked him up to grab the others. this dude was a goner from the getgo. another case of a low-level player getting the chance so many other players could only dream of and not being able to hack it. it has nothing to do with being part of a 'big organization' and everything to do with being part of a GOOD organization that requires you to um.... be a GOOD player. the fact that it happened so fast only underscores how low-level of a player he is. not even worth trying Troll just begging to get warned/banned. | ||
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lolwhat
Sweden58 Posts
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:25 algorithm0r wrote: Quick notes: Didn't Idra get banned from TL for 90 days? What was that for again? What was that team that picked up HDStarcraft? Destiny qualified for IPL2... I'd say that is pretty impressive. As offtopic as this thread is getting, I will answer those questions, but I am not sure what point related to Destiny you're making with this. 1) IdrA initially got banned for 2 days (iirc he called CrunCher a 'waste of life') then this got extended to 90 days after he posted about his TL ban and encouraged his fans through Twitter to spam Chill with PMs on TeamLiquid to express their (probably negative) opinions of the decision to ban IdrA from TL. Needless to say, that was a bad move on IdrA's part because he effectively angered a hornet's nest, figuratively speaking 2) HDStarcraft got picked up by a team? This is news to me. I checked both Liquipedia and did several google searches and saw nothing about it. However, a few popular casters/players have been picked up by teams before i.e. Vile picking up PsyStarcraft and Sixjax picking up Artosis. 3) Yes, Destiny did qualify for IPL Season 2, proving that he can indeed compete with the best players on NA. In my opinion, I feel bad for Destiny. The one big built-from-the-ground team where I felt he belonged had been assimilated into a much larger multi-game e-sports clan. It's kinda like when you're in a really nice guild on WoW and they merge with a much larger guild to create something huge, but probably with different values which some players may disagree with. Not saying that I'm not going to continue ROOTing for CompLexity, because I didn't think the merger was necessarily bad plus I like some of their players (i.e. CrunCher, CatZ, Drewbie etc.) However, I hope another team does sign Destiny, maybe Sixjax, Vile, Reign, FXOpen or even Team Dignitas | ||
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:40 coL.Minigun wrote: How is it that anything posted on team liquid turns to drama. There is so little drama to be had here, it's being extremely exaggerated. No one is angry at each other, destiny didn't think col was for him, and was somewhat pressured to join with most of the other root members. Let it be. But now that the topic of idra has come up, I can't help but chip in, telling me to kill myself multiple times, isn't exactly "toning it down". Col and destiny just didn't work out. That's all it is...let it be.... Honestly, this is all that really needs to be said, especially coming from a team member. I think Col's post made things sound a little bit hostile between the two parties, but between Destiny's and Minigun's accounts, clearly the amount of bad blood (if any) has been blown out of proportion. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:40 ritoky wrote: Just a simple question since you are being transparent with this. What aspect of the contract was disagreeable? Because the post by Complexity Gaming states that they found some of your language and opinions to be contrary to the direction of their organization and that was the breaking point; yet you claim that you arrived at a decision that was of your own accord. Were the language and polarizing opinions a mutual separating point? Because as it sounds now both sides claim to hold the initiative in making the decision, which is a bit confusing to me. That is the part of the contract that he wasn't comfortable signing. Basically he signed a contract that he wouldn't normally because his signature affected his teammates/friends also because he didn't think through it enough. Once he signed it, he began to read over it more closely and noticed a lot more things he wasn't comfortable with (This includes toning himself down). He then talked to CatZ and jlake (the found of coL) and they came upon this decision which was mutual. Also yes, HD got picked up by LG gaming, which later disbanded. | ||
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southmc
United States2 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:13 Fluffdaddy wrote: Am I to believe the words of a company who has run a legit gaming team for 10 years, or should I go with the guy who uses racial slurs that disparage my entire race and other terms that insult homosexuals because he thinks its philosophically admirable, or whatever other upper middle class white privilege idea he came up with. As I said previously, this is a fitting end for both parties. I'm also black, and you do more to disparage our race with your racially charged comments than I've ever heard this kid destiny do.. While I've never heard Destiny bring race into the equation (and yes, I've heard the language on the stream), you've just injected it in for no apparent reason. I suggest you educate yourself a bit more on context as getting offended at his does a great disservice to those of us who've had the words used against them in a much more harmful manner. And best of luck to you "Fluffdaddy"... | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27177 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:11 Destiny wrote: How can someone with so many posts be so absolutely fucking batshit retarded? From now on, instead of people wasting their time fact-checking, maybe you should just write up every single post that goes on the front page since you have all of the inside facts. I have never in my life been told that I sound "uneducated" by any person I've ever had a serious conversation with, ever. You, on the other hand, look like a total fucking fool. Your post is a combination of baseless assumptions, fueled with an incredible bias against me, with absolutely no factual basis at all. ""Unexposed to reality"? I own a house, I have a child, I've worked full time jobs and gone to school at the same time, I've been through quite a bit of ridiculous shit that most people haven't. I'm sorry, what "reality" is it that I have yet to be exposed to? We had access to the contract for quite a while, but it was incredibly unclear whether or not ROOT would actually be absorbed into complexity for quite some time. By the time I found out, I had less than a day to give some actual thought into the long-term implications of the contract. I'm being incredibly candid in my explanations. There is very rarely a good reason to break a contract; this was not one of those times, I should have never signed it initially. I'm just explaining the "why", not trying to justify my actions. I don't know who you are, or what you do, but I give very careful consideration to everything I do online, so fuck off. Yep, let's lock this thread now. | ||
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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:42 MethodSC wrote: I typed the last sentence of my last post for a reason, and yet you still don't understand the posts. I won't waste my time anymore. Useless. The posts have nothing to do with you, it's about the effects of the players and their actions for whatever team they may be on. "This is true and this is something most people are missing here. We TRIED to keep Steven on the team but he refused." -jlake02, CEO of coL Owned. | ||
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Derpalisk
United States21 Posts
On June 23 2011 05:42 Rabbitmaster wrote: Ehm in what way exactly? ot: Not that expected, considering the language destiny uses i cant see any major team wanting him on their rooster. I wouldn't want any guys on my rooster! | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:43 lolwhat wrote: I love how people shit on destiny going out from open bracket 1st round without even looking up that he faced a top 60 GM in ZvZ, doesn't get more of a shitty draw than that... LOL? he faced Capoch (ZvP) who intelligently went for clever all-ins in 2 of the 3 games. Please don't spread lies like you are right now. He went ahead and BM'ed Capoch but that's another story. | ||
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Fluffdaddy
United States19 Posts
On June 23 2011 07:40 coL.Minigun wrote: How is it that anything posted on team liquid turns to drama. There is so little drama to be had here, it's being extremely exaggerated. No one is angry at each other, destiny didn't think col was for him, and was somewhat pressured to join with most of the other root members. Let it be. But now that the topic of idra has come up, I can't help but chip in, telling me to kill myself multiple times, isn't exactly "toning it down". Col and destiny just didn't work out. That's all it is...let it be.... You say let it be about Destiny while still taking a shot at Idra. That is so smooth. | ||
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