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On June 23 2011 07:00 Kuni wrote:
Why would he have to apologize if he signed the contract to give his teammates the opportunity to join col, even tho he knew, that it wasn't the thing he wanted to do?
Because he signed a contract? Signing a contract with the intention of breaking it, which is not what he did, but what your post seems to imply is fine, is a really bad thing to do.
It's undeniable that breaking a contract is wrong, Destiny said so himself, but it is a little strange to me that they would make a contract limiting his streaming when that's basically his job.
They should know him, he got where he is because of the way he acts, like it or not, changing would be a bad move for him, unless he was 100% serious about being the best gamer and neglecting his main form of income.
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GLGL to Destiny in the future. I always saw him more as an entertaining ladder player than a legitimate top tier threat anyways.
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On June 23 2011 07:04 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 07:03 DharmaTurtle wrote:On June 23 2011 06:57 MrDudeMan wrote:
Also I think if we left any thread that concerns players running on TL long enough, it would just turn into an idra discussion. Too true. We just found a corollary to Godwin's Law. LOL omg!! Can we call it Idra's law?
By calling Idra's Law, we are invoking Idra's Law.
I like it.
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I never saw destiny as any real addition to root or when the switch happened to col.
Destiny doesnt see himself in the highly competitive tournament and Lan business.
He realized how much money can be made just from streaming his games on justintv that he even swapped his job for this. And just streams his semi pro (us average) ladder games with a high entertainment factor for his viewers.
The root and possibly his col tag would have served as a minor further attraction to his streaming.
But being in a less loose team than root such as col would mean a restriction on his streaming based income and possibly a too big of a time consuming less rewarding effort as winning major tournaments is almost impossible for someone like destiny or most of the past root and current col team.
So destiny decides to focus on making money out of his stream and not wasting his time at col as it does seem like the right choice from his personal point of view.
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Looks like
being a member of coL wasn't his destiny
![[image loading]](http://mimg.ugo.com/201103/9/1/8/177819/cuts/horatio-caine_480x360.jpg)
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I guess this means that
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What teams are you interested in joining destiny?
Edit: Dangit poster above me, you did it first.
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It seems like Complexity needed a bunch of reasons to release Destiny from the contract. It is legally binding, and I'm sure they don't want just anyone to go signing contracts expecting to be able to get out of them.
Destiny has posted in this very thread that he was in the wrong for signing the contract without really thinking about it first, regardless of his reasons. I can understand the pressure that can come from being in a team. He made friends in ROOT, and not only would he have liked to stay with them in their move to CoL, but it seems like his non-signing of the contract would have adversely affected the merger.
As bad as it is to break a contract, he was in a hard situation and I can forgive him for being human. One of the big things that I enjoy about Steven and his stream is that he comes across as a human being, not a robot that plays SC2, he has a personality and firm beliefs and I can respect that.
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Destiny consistantly has 3000+ stream viewers, he does well in tournaments, and the community generally likes him. While he may have been pressed into signing something he may have not wanted to, he's still the same person, and I for one and going to support whatever decisions he makes for his future team affiliation.
GL DESTINY <3<3<3<3
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On June 23 2011 07:07 Rushingwolf wrote:
I never saw destiny as any real addition to root or when the switch happened to col.
Destiny doesnt see himself in the highly competitive tournament and Lan business.
He realized how much money can be made just from streaming his games on justintv that he even swapped his job for this. And just streams his semi pro (us average) ladder games with a high entertainment factor for his viewers.
The root and possibly his col tag would have served as a minor further attraction to his streaming.
But being in a less loose team than root such as col would mean a restriction on his streaming based income and possibly a too big of a time consuming less rewarding effort as winning major tournaments is almost impossible for someone like destiny or most of the past root and current col team.
So destiny decides to focus on making money out of his stream and not wasting his time at col as it does seem like the right choice from his personal point of view.
I would think that Destiny would disagree strongly. He attends every single MLG, which certainly cuts into his money and doesn't earn him any stream revenue. He takes SC2 seriously and genuinely tries to become a better player. He's now in Grandmasters, so there's significant progress being made.
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not sure why everyone is running to the defense of one side, it was a bad situation to begin with and both sides handled it as best as they could - some of the posts here are absolutely idiotic - people on both sides should get the full story before rushing into battle with their eyes closed
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On June 23 2011 06:56 Jayrod wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 06:02 Destiny wrote:
One day, I got a message pretty much saying "hey, that contract is due tonight, you gotta sign it today". I pretty much had half a day to decide whether or not to sign, and it seemed like if I didn't sign, the deal would fall through for the rest of the team. I didn't want to mess up everyone's opportunities to move on with their career just because I felt uncomfortable, and there was nothing -too- objectionable in the contract, so I signed it.
I've got to call complete bullshit on this point. It's clear from your demeanor and general lack of understanding of "the way things work" that you are fairly uneducated or, at the very least, unexposed to the realities that make it impossible to have your cake and eat it too. There's no way in hell you didn't have access to the contract until the due date... you just fucked it off and you're being transparent as hell right now. I mean seriously, you're going to take a high and mighty stance about doing things your own way and not caring about being a part of an organization or adhering to social norms of general decency, but then you turn around and you aren't even being candid in your explanation. Oh, and I'm TOTALLY sure you actually read the contract (100% sarcasm) I don't expect this to be well-received... don't care either really as I know the type of people that consider themselves your fans, but even the immature and unempathetic high school kids that watch you stream after school deserve you at least saying that YOU fucked up rather than a lame (made up) excuse that you couldn't view the contract until the due date.
How can someone with so many posts be so absolutely fucking batshit retarded?
From now on, instead of people wasting their time fact-checking, maybe you should just write up every single post that goes on the front page since you have all of the inside facts.
I have never in my life been told that I sound "uneducated" by any person I've ever had a serious conversation with, ever. You, on the other hand, look like a total fucking fool. Your post is a combination of baseless assumptions, fueled with an incredible bias against me, with absolutely no factual basis at all.
""Unexposed to reality"? I own a house, I have a child, I've worked full time jobs and gone to school at the same time, I've been through quite a bit of ridiculous shit that most people haven't. I'm sorry, what "reality" is it that I have yet to be exposed to?
We had access to the contract for quite a while, but it was incredibly unclear whether or not ROOT would actually be absorbed into complexity for quite some time. By the time I found out, I had less than a day to give some actual thought into the long-term implications of the contract.
I'm being incredibly candid in my explanations. There is very rarely a good reason to break a contract; this was not one of those times, I should have never signed it initially. I'm just explaining the "why", not trying to justify my actions.
I don't know who you are, or what you do, but I give very careful consideration to everything I do online, so fuck off.
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On June 23 2011 06:11 Czar_ wrote:
CHILL GET OUT!
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I enjoy the irony of this guy's signature being "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
Too much hand wringing over a non-issue in this thread. Both sides in this issue acknowledge the same thing and the third parties are the ones trying to create the argument lol.
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On June 23 2011 07:09 silencesc wrote:
Destiny consistantly has 3000+ stream viewers, he does well in tournaments, and the community generally likes him. While he may have been pressed into signing something he may have not wanted to, he's still the same person, and I for one and going to support whatever decisions he makes for his future team affiliation.
GL DESTINY <3<3<3<3
Which tournaments?
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On June 23 2011 07:09 DharmaTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 07:07 Rushingwolf wrote:
I never saw destiny as any real addition to root or when the switch happened to col.
Destiny doesnt see himself in the highly competitive tournament and Lan business.
He realized how much money can be made just from streaming his games on justintv that he even swapped his job for this. And just streams his semi pro (us average) ladder games with a high entertainment factor for his viewers.
The root and possibly his col tag would have served as a minor further attraction to his streaming.
But being in a less loose team than root such as col would mean a restriction on his streaming based income and possibly a too big of a time consuming less rewarding effort as winning major tournaments is almost impossible for someone like destiny or most of the past root and current col team.
So destiny decides to focus on making money out of his stream and not wasting his time at col as it does seem like the right choice from his personal point of view.
I would think that Destiny would disagree strongly. He attends every single MLG, which certainly cuts into his money and doesn't earn him any stream revenue. He takes SC2 seriously and genuinely tries to become a better player. He's now in Grandmasters, so there's significant progress being made.
Come back when he won something and stop feeding crap like this please..
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On June 23 2011 07:09 silencesc wrote:
Destiny consistantly has 3000+ stream viewers, he does well in tournaments, and the community generally likes him.
What tournaments?
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On June 23 2011 07:09 DharmaTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 07:07 Rushingwolf wrote:
I never saw destiny as any real addition to root or when the switch happened to col.
Destiny doesnt see himself in the highly competitive tournament and Lan business.
He realized how much money can be made just from streaming his games on justintv that he even swapped his job for this. And just streams his semi pro (us average) ladder games with a high entertainment factor for his viewers.
The root and possibly his col tag would have served as a minor further attraction to his streaming.
But being in a less loose team than root such as col would mean a restriction on his streaming based income and possibly a too big of a time consuming less rewarding effort as winning major tournaments is almost impossible for someone like destiny or most of the past root and current col team.
So destiny decides to focus on making money out of his stream and not wasting his time at col as it does seem like the right choice from his personal point of view.
I would think that Destiny would disagree strongly. He attends every single MLG, which certainly cuts into his money and doesn't earn him any stream revenue. He takes SC2 seriously and genuinely tries to become a better player. He's now in Grandmasters, so there's significant progress being made.
Even though you might be right it feels like it might give him more credibility as a player if he attends events which gives him more viewers in the end.
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On June 23 2011 07:04 Bellygareth wrote:
The only thing I don't get is Col's communication on this. If Steven and the management agreed to drop the contract, why communicate that Col chose to drop Steven because of his BM? A simple:
"Steven and us chose not to continue associating and that's fine" would surely be enough?
Because they can. They have the right to explain their side of the story, because after the contract was severed, Destiny was undoubtedly going to spin this story to make it look favorable to himself. And by the looks of this thread and the other echo chambers on the internet, he is doing that pretty successfully.
Am I to believe the words of a company who has run a legit gaming team for 10 years, or should I go with the guy who uses racial slurs that disparage my entire race and other terms that insult homosexuals because he thinks its philosophically admirable, or whatever other upper middle class white privilege idea he came up with.
As I said previously, this is a fitting end for both parties.
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Don't get what all the fuss is about. After reading Destiny's statement it's pretty clear that they mutually agreed on the departure.
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destiny was always overrated anyhow.
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On June 23 2011 07:12 catastropherofl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 07:09 silencesc wrote:
Destiny consistantly has 3000+ stream viewers, he does well in tournaments, and the community generally likes him. What tournaments?
hes been to a few mlg's, how many have you been to?
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