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On June 23 2011 02:50 alone wrote:
Errr...wasnt sheth 3rd guy to get code a spot?
Sheth is already in Korea cause he's on FXO
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This is awesome, Gratz to Fenix!
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On June 23 2011 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 08:45 Fubi wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but this is a bit ridiculous that they would just go through the ranking and give Code A spots to anyone that accepts third. Fenix ranked 11th at MLG Columbus afaik... most of the Koreans in the code A qualifier can probably rank higher than that. How is this fair to people like Donraegu, Ganzi, Line, TheSTC, etc etc, whom all are deserving of at least a Code A spot, but because of the brutal qualifier, didn't get through? Because GOM is doing this from a marketing standpoint rather than a "let's get the best players" view. They want foreigners. By your argument, Huk shouldn't have ever made it to GSL in his Code A debut. He was an invite. He got knocked out of the qualifiers when he tried during the open seasons. GOM wants to expand to the foreign scene cause its about money, not about talent EDIT--- not saying a player like Fenix or Huk don't deserve it, because as we see, Huk made it to code S, but this isn't the first time GOM has seeded foreign players who probably wouldn't have made it through the qualifiers. Moonglade, ret, and haypro never won a code A match and didn't have to qualify. In a perfect world where GSL and GOM had infinite money and didn't have to worry about an audience they could have the best players always with epic finals and such, but this is real life :/ On a lighter note, GL to Fenix and Sheth in this GSL :D!
It's just a bit ironic that so many people complain about Koreans getting seeded in MLG when lets be honest, guys like Huk, Thorzain, Naniwa, Sase and the rest might never have made Code A if they weren't seeded a bye through probably the most brutally difficult tournament in Sc2.
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On June 23 2011 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 08:45 Fubi wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but this is a bit ridiculous that they would just go through the ranking and give Code A spots to anyone that accepts third. Fenix ranked 11th at MLG Columbus afaik... most of the Koreans in the code A qualifier can probably rank higher than that. How is this fair to people like Donraegu, Ganzi, Line, TheSTC, etc etc, whom all are deserving of at least a Code A spot, but because of the brutal qualifier, didn't get through? Because GOM is doing this from a marketing standpoint rather than a "let's get the best players" view. They want foreigners. By your argument, Huk shouldn't have ever made it to GSL in his Code A debut. He was an invite. He got knocked out of the qualifiers when he tried during the open seasons. GOM wants to expand to the foreign scene cause its about money, not about talent
Yes, Huk was undeserving of the spot either. What has he done after he got the spot? Never advancing far or anything. But noticed I said "was". I agree that he is now deserving to be in Code S, but that is because of his hard work and what not. I'd rather him go thru the qualifier now and prove himself. But let's not derail this into a debate about Huk any further.
And as for marketing standpoint, are the foreign audience that blind to just watch any GSL matches as long as it involves a foreigner? I have nothing against the exchange program, so long as they invite the actual top players, aka deserving players. Inviting the 11th and 14th is going over the board. I don't know about you guys, but as a SC2 fan, I'd much prefer watching a game because it is a high level epic game. But I guess most of the foreign fans aren't like me, and would watch anything as long as there is a white guy in the booth.
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On June 23 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 23 2011 08:45 Fubi wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but this is a bit ridiculous that they would just go through the ranking and give Code A spots to anyone that accepts third. Fenix ranked 11th at MLG Columbus afaik... most of the Koreans in the code A qualifier can probably rank higher than that. How is this fair to people like Donraegu, Ganzi, Line, TheSTC, etc etc, whom all are deserving of at least a Code A spot, but because of the brutal qualifier, didn't get through? Because GOM is doing this from a marketing standpoint rather than a "let's get the best players" view. They want foreigners. By your argument, Huk shouldn't have ever made it to GSL in his Code A debut. He was an invite. He got knocked out of the qualifiers when he tried during the open seasons. GOM wants to expand to the foreign scene cause its about money, not about talent Yes, Huk was undeserving of the spot either. What has he done after he got the spot? Never advancing far or anything. But noticed I said "was". I agree that he is now deserving to be in Code S, but that is because of his hard work and what not. I'd rather him go thru the qualifier now and prove himself. But let's not derail this into a debate about Huk any further. And as for marketing standpoint, are the foreign audience that blind to just watch any GSL matches as long as it involves a foreigner? I have nothing against the exchange program, so long as they invite the actual top players, aka deserving players. Inviting the 11th and 14th is going over the board. I don't know about you guys, but as a SC2 fan, I'd much prefer watching a game because it is a high level epic game. But I guess most of the foreign fans aren't like me, and would watch anything as long as there is a white guy in the booth.
Thorzain placed 9th in MLG Columbus, are you gonna include him too in your rant?
Or how about this? July managed to get 'only' 13th in the same tournament.. I guess he placed 13th because he's obviously not an actual top player uh? -- your own words.
You don't realize how hard it is to come from the open bracket and place in the top 16 in any MLG as of late pal.. if July barely managed, how do you figure it's a piece of cake for most other lower-rated korean players?
Edit: I guess I was referring to Fenix here.. I am not familiar with how Sheth was invited.
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Fenix imo is a very underrated player. Good for him. Wish him the best of luck.
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On June 23 2011 09:12 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:On June 23 2011 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 23 2011 08:45 Fubi wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but this is a bit ridiculous that they would just go through the ranking and give Code A spots to anyone that accepts third. Fenix ranked 11th at MLG Columbus afaik... most of the Koreans in the code A qualifier can probably rank higher than that. How is this fair to people like Donraegu, Ganzi, Line, TheSTC, etc etc, whom all are deserving of at least a Code A spot, but because of the brutal qualifier, didn't get through? Because GOM is doing this from a marketing standpoint rather than a "let's get the best players" view. They want foreigners. By your argument, Huk shouldn't have ever made it to GSL in his Code A debut. He was an invite. He got knocked out of the qualifiers when he tried during the open seasons. GOM wants to expand to the foreign scene cause its about money, not about talent Yes, Huk was undeserving of the spot either. What has he done after he got the spot? Never advancing far or anything. But noticed I said "was". I agree that he is now deserving to be in Code S, but that is because of his hard work and what not. I'd rather him go thru the qualifier now and prove himself. But let's not derail this into a debate about Huk any further. And as for marketing standpoint, are the foreign audience that blind to just watch any GSL matches as long as it involves a foreigner? I have nothing against the exchange program, so long as they invite the actual top players, aka deserving players. Inviting the 11th and 14th is going over the board. I don't know about you guys, but as a SC2 fan, I'd much prefer watching a game because it is a high level epic game. But I guess most of the foreign fans aren't like me, and would watch anything as long as there is a white guy in the booth. Thorzain placed 9th in MLG Columbus, are you gonna include him too in your rant? Or how about this? July managed to get 'only' 13th in the same tournament.. I guess he placed 13th because he's obviously not an actual top player uh? -- your own words. You don't realize how hard it is to come from the open bracket and place in the top 16 in any MLG as of late pal.. if July barely managed, how do you figure it's a piece of cake for most other lower-rated korean players?
Is has nothing really to do with the open bracket. If July had continued to play run of the mill NA/EU players he'd have continued winning easilly and placed higher, but he met Moon (a good player) and lost. July could have baneling busted random Chobo's all day long just as he did in the open bracket, this is a guy who's practiced Starcraft 10 hours a day for almost a decade and you think he gets burnout?
It's the same for Thorzain, he lost because he played a better player than him in MC, not because he was tired from rolling players a lot worse than him.
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Sheth is competing in Code A July. Naniwa, Thorzain, and Fenix will be competing in August.
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On June 23 2011 07:46 Polygamy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 03:19 The KY wrote:
Won't Koreans be annoyed that Sheth got an invite to Code A regardless of the exchange program? Isn't qualifying really hard? And isn't injecting invites into a qualification tourney a bit odd?
On the other hand - foreigners in GSL squeeeeee It might make some players mad but the Western market for SC2 is looking bigger then Korea at the moment. I think because of this they don't really care if it upsets the players.
I think they care because korean viewers are still bigger than Foreign viewers.
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On June 23 2011 09:12 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:On June 23 2011 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 23 2011 08:45 Fubi wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but this is a bit ridiculous that they would just go through the ranking and give Code A spots to anyone that accepts third. Fenix ranked 11th at MLG Columbus afaik... most of the Koreans in the code A qualifier can probably rank higher than that. How is this fair to people like Donraegu, Ganzi, Line, TheSTC, etc etc, whom all are deserving of at least a Code A spot, but because of the brutal qualifier, didn't get through? Because GOM is doing this from a marketing standpoint rather than a "let's get the best players" view. They want foreigners. By your argument, Huk shouldn't have ever made it to GSL in his Code A debut. He was an invite. He got knocked out of the qualifiers when he tried during the open seasons. GOM wants to expand to the foreign scene cause its about money, not about talent Yes, Huk was undeserving of the spot either. What has he done after he got the spot? Never advancing far or anything. But noticed I said "was". I agree that he is now deserving to be in Code S, but that is because of his hard work and what not. I'd rather him go thru the qualifier now and prove himself. But let's not derail this into a debate about Huk any further. And as for marketing standpoint, are the foreign audience that blind to just watch any GSL matches as long as it involves a foreigner? I have nothing against the exchange program, so long as they invite the actual top players, aka deserving players. Inviting the 11th and 14th is going over the board. I don't know about you guys, but as a SC2 fan, I'd much prefer watching a game because it is a high level epic game. But I guess most of the foreign fans aren't like me, and would watch anything as long as there is a white guy in the booth. Thorzain placed 9th in MLG Columbus, are you gonna include him too in your rant? Or how about this? July managed to get 'only' 13th in the same tournament.. I guess he placed 13th because he's obviously not an actual top player uh? -- your own words. You don't realize how hard it is to come from the open bracket and place in the top 16 in any MLG as of late pal.. if July barely managed, how do you figure it's a piece of cake for most other lower-rated korean players? Edit: I guess I was referring to Fenix here.. I am not familiar with how Sheth was invited.
Did you even watch the tournament? July proved that the Open bracket isn't hard. And the only matches July lost to was to MMA in the pool play, which placed him in the lower brackets, and then got eliminated by Moon.
And yes, if based on just the MLG results, Thorzain is undeserving either. But he proved himself at TSL3 to be able to at least compete in Code A. What has Fenix proved?
Let me ask you guys this. Would you guys still say that Fenix/Slush deserve the spots if they were ordinary Korean players? Would you guys even watch their games if this was the case? I can definitely say I would not. But for Thorzain's case, I can be sure to at least check out his games because of his previous showings.
They just need a rule in place when giving out free invites. Something like no lower than rank 6th or something.
What would you say if everyone refused the invite and they went all the way down to Gretorp?
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On June 23 2011 09:18 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:12 s4life wrote:On June 23 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:On June 23 2011 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 23 2011 08:45 Fubi wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but this is a bit ridiculous that they would just go through the ranking and give Code A spots to anyone that accepts third. Fenix ranked 11th at MLG Columbus afaik... most of the Koreans in the code A qualifier can probably rank higher than that. How is this fair to people like Donraegu, Ganzi, Line, TheSTC, etc etc, whom all are deserving of at least a Code A spot, but because of the brutal qualifier, didn't get through? Because GOM is doing this from a marketing standpoint rather than a "let's get the best players" view. They want foreigners. By your argument, Huk shouldn't have ever made it to GSL in his Code A debut. He was an invite. He got knocked out of the qualifiers when he tried during the open seasons. GOM wants to expand to the foreign scene cause its about money, not about talent Yes, Huk was undeserving of the spot either. What has he done after he got the spot? Never advancing far or anything. But noticed I said "was". I agree that he is now deserving to be in Code S, but that is because of his hard work and what not. I'd rather him go thru the qualifier now and prove himself. But let's not derail this into a debate about Huk any further. And as for marketing standpoint, are the foreign audience that blind to just watch any GSL matches as long as it involves a foreigner? I have nothing against the exchange program, so long as they invite the actual top players, aka deserving players. Inviting the 11th and 14th is going over the board. I don't know about you guys, but as a SC2 fan, I'd much prefer watching a game because it is a high level epic game. But I guess most of the foreign fans aren't like me, and would watch anything as long as there is a white guy in the booth. Thorzain placed 9th in MLG Columbus, are you gonna include him too in your rant? Or how about this? July managed to get 'only' 13th in the same tournament.. I guess he placed 13th because he's obviously not an actual top player uh? -- your own words. You don't realize how hard it is to come from the open bracket and place in the top 16 in any MLG as of late pal.. if July barely managed, how do you figure it's a piece of cake for most other lower-rated korean players? Is has nothing really to do with the open bracket. If July had continued to play run of the mill NA/EU players he'd have continued winning easilly and placed higher, but he met Moon (a good player) and lost. July could have baneling busted random Chobo's all day long just as he did in the open bracket, this is a guy who's practiced Starcraft 10 hours a day for almost a decade and you think he gets burnout? It's the same for Thorzain, he lost because he played a better player than him in MC, not because he was tired from rolling players a lot worse than him.
So you think players don't get tired after playing 16 hrs for three days in a row? are you talking from experience here or it's just your hunch?
I also think Moon is a good player but I would never bet against July if both players were matched under similar circumstances... that was an upset.. July was expected to go through to top 4 -- after beating Idra and losing to MC.
As for Thorzain, he himself said that he was tired due to the tournament format and would never play again in another MLG -- same as Morrow.
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It's always nice to see 'foreigners' going to play with the koreans, i hope fenix does well; improves and prospers in the environment. Exciting as the games can be with the koreans playing i find it more difficult to make a connection with an MC than an Incontrol
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great to see, will be good for fenix's development and exposure to the korean scene.
go fnatic!
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rofl he will get crushed. im a huge fan of fnatic and fenix but he's nowhere near the level of thorzain and naniwa let alone Code A...
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On June 23 2011 09:30 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:18 lunchforthesky wrote:On June 23 2011 09:12 s4life wrote:On June 23 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:On June 23 2011 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 23 2011 08:45 Fubi wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but this is a bit ridiculous that they would just go through the ranking and give Code A spots to anyone that accepts third. Fenix ranked 11th at MLG Columbus afaik... most of the Koreans in the code A qualifier can probably rank higher than that. How is this fair to people like Donraegu, Ganzi, Line, TheSTC, etc etc, whom all are deserving of at least a Code A spot, but because of the brutal qualifier, didn't get through? Because GOM is doing this from a marketing standpoint rather than a "let's get the best players" view. They want foreigners. By your argument, Huk shouldn't have ever made it to GSL in his Code A debut. He was an invite. He got knocked out of the qualifiers when he tried during the open seasons. GOM wants to expand to the foreign scene cause its about money, not about talent Yes, Huk was undeserving of the spot either. What has he done after he got the spot? Never advancing far or anything. But noticed I said "was". I agree that he is now deserving to be in Code S, but that is because of his hard work and what not. I'd rather him go thru the qualifier now and prove himself. But let's not derail this into a debate about Huk any further. And as for marketing standpoint, are the foreign audience that blind to just watch any GSL matches as long as it involves a foreigner? I have nothing against the exchange program, so long as they invite the actual top players, aka deserving players. Inviting the 11th and 14th is going over the board. I don't know about you guys, but as a SC2 fan, I'd much prefer watching a game because it is a high level epic game. But I guess most of the foreign fans aren't like me, and would watch anything as long as there is a white guy in the booth. Thorzain placed 9th in MLG Columbus, are you gonna include him too in your rant? Or how about this? July managed to get 'only' 13th in the same tournament.. I guess he placed 13th because he's obviously not an actual top player uh? -- your own words. You don't realize how hard it is to come from the open bracket and place in the top 16 in any MLG as of late pal.. if July barely managed, how do you figure it's a piece of cake for most other lower-rated korean players? Is has nothing really to do with the open bracket. If July had continued to play run of the mill NA/EU players he'd have continued winning easilly and placed higher, but he met Moon (a good player) and lost. July could have baneling busted random Chobo's all day long just as he did in the open bracket, this is a guy who's practiced Starcraft 10 hours a day for almost a decade and you think he gets burnout? It's the same for Thorzain, he lost because he played a better player than him in MC, not because he was tired from rolling players a lot worse than him. So you think players don't get tired after playing 16 hrs for three days in a row? are you talking from experience here or it's just your hunch? I also think Moon is a good player but I would never bet against July if both players were matched under similar circumstances... that was an upset.. July was expected to go through to top 4 -- after beating Idra and losing to MC. As for Thorzain, he himself said that he was tired due to the tournament format and would never play again in another MLG -- same as Morrow.
If you knew the players you'd never consider July losing to Moon in ZvZ an upset, July is terrible in ZvZ. I'm a huge July fan but everytime he plays a ZvZ my hand is in my mouth because chances are he's going home.
July certainly didn't play for 16 hours either, seen as he won all his open bracket games in under two hours.
Perhaps some players get tired, but the players in the main bracket are still at the venue sitting around, I don't see how winning a few rounds against players you can beat in your sleep is that taxing, it's was essentially a warm up for all of them before the championship pool, with Morrow/Fenix unfortunately having to share a spot.
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On June 23 2011 09:28 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:12 s4life wrote:On June 23 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:On June 23 2011 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 23 2011 08:45 Fubi wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but this is a bit ridiculous that they would just go through the ranking and give Code A spots to anyone that accepts third. Fenix ranked 11th at MLG Columbus afaik... most of the Koreans in the code A qualifier can probably rank higher than that. How is this fair to people like Donraegu, Ganzi, Line, TheSTC, etc etc, whom all are deserving of at least a Code A spot, but because of the brutal qualifier, didn't get through? Because GOM is doing this from a marketing standpoint rather than a "let's get the best players" view. They want foreigners. By your argument, Huk shouldn't have ever made it to GSL in his Code A debut. He was an invite. He got knocked out of the qualifiers when he tried during the open seasons. GOM wants to expand to the foreign scene cause its about money, not about talent Yes, Huk was undeserving of the spot either. What has he done after he got the spot? Never advancing far or anything. But noticed I said "was". I agree that he is now deserving to be in Code S, but that is because of his hard work and what not. I'd rather him go thru the qualifier now and prove himself. But let's not derail this into a debate about Huk any further. And as for marketing standpoint, are the foreign audience that blind to just watch any GSL matches as long as it involves a foreigner? I have nothing against the exchange program, so long as they invite the actual top players, aka deserving players. Inviting the 11th and 14th is going over the board. I don't know about you guys, but as a SC2 fan, I'd much prefer watching a game because it is a high level epic game. But I guess most of the foreign fans aren't like me, and would watch anything as long as there is a white guy in the booth. Thorzain placed 9th in MLG Columbus, are you gonna include him too in your rant? Or how about this? July managed to get 'only' 13th in the same tournament.. I guess he placed 13th because he's obviously not an actual top player uh? -- your own words. You don't realize how hard it is to come from the open bracket and place in the top 16 in any MLG as of late pal.. if July barely managed, how do you figure it's a piece of cake for most other lower-rated korean players? Edit: I guess I was referring to Fenix here.. I am not familiar with how Sheth was invited. Did you even watch the tournament? July proved that the Open bracket isn't hard. And the only matches July lost to was to MMA in the pool play, which placed him in the lower brackets, and then got eliminated by Moon. And yes, if based on just the MLG results, Thorzain is undeserving either. But he proved himself at TSL3 to be able to at least compete in Code A. What has Fenix proved? Let me ask you guys this. Would you guys still say that Fenix/Slush deserve the spots if they were ordinary Korean players? Would you guys even watch their games if this was the case? I can definitely say I would not. But for Thorzain's case, I can be sure to at least check out his games because of his previous showings. They just need a rule in place when giving out free invites. Something like no lower than rank 6th or something. What would you say if everyone refused the invite and they went all the way down to Gretorp?
Well, Fenix beat oGsTop and placed third at DH. He's not as popular as Thorzain or Naniwa.. nor Destiny or Tyler heh.. but he is a good player and being only 18, he's far away from peaking, this opportunity for him in Korea is probably what he needed. He deserves the invite as per the rules.. period.
Seriously, I can't count the number of Huk haterz who were saying the same shit about him as you are doing now with other players, only to be proved very wrong last weekend. I guess we'll wait and see.
BTW Gretorp -- who didn't place even top 32 in MLG -- is also a good player and if he'd put enough practice he could probably give good games in code A too.
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On June 23 2011 09:50 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:28 Fubi wrote:On June 23 2011 09:12 s4life wrote:On June 23 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:On June 23 2011 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 23 2011 08:45 Fubi wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but this is a bit ridiculous that they would just go through the ranking and give Code A spots to anyone that accepts third. Fenix ranked 11th at MLG Columbus afaik... most of the Koreans in the code A qualifier can probably rank higher than that. How is this fair to people like Donraegu, Ganzi, Line, TheSTC, etc etc, whom all are deserving of at least a Code A spot, but because of the brutal qualifier, didn't get through? Because GOM is doing this from a marketing standpoint rather than a "let's get the best players" view. They want foreigners. By your argument, Huk shouldn't have ever made it to GSL in his Code A debut. He was an invite. He got knocked out of the qualifiers when he tried during the open seasons. GOM wants to expand to the foreign scene cause its about money, not about talent Yes, Huk was undeserving of the spot either. What has he done after he got the spot? Never advancing far or anything. But noticed I said "was". I agree that he is now deserving to be in Code S, but that is because of his hard work and what not. I'd rather him go thru the qualifier now and prove himself. But let's not derail this into a debate about Huk any further. And as for marketing standpoint, are the foreign audience that blind to just watch any GSL matches as long as it involves a foreigner? I have nothing against the exchange program, so long as they invite the actual top players, aka deserving players. Inviting the 11th and 14th is going over the board. I don't know about you guys, but as a SC2 fan, I'd much prefer watching a game because it is a high level epic game. But I guess most of the foreign fans aren't like me, and would watch anything as long as there is a white guy in the booth. Thorzain placed 9th in MLG Columbus, are you gonna include him too in your rant? Or how about this? July managed to get 'only' 13th in the same tournament.. I guess he placed 13th because he's obviously not an actual top player uh? -- your own words. You don't realize how hard it is to come from the open bracket and place in the top 16 in any MLG as of late pal.. if July barely managed, how do you figure it's a piece of cake for most other lower-rated korean players? Edit: I guess I was referring to Fenix here.. I am not familiar with how Sheth was invited. Did you even watch the tournament? July proved that the Open bracket isn't hard. And the only matches July lost to was to MMA in the pool play, which placed him in the lower brackets, and then got eliminated by Moon. And yes, if based on just the MLG results, Thorzain is undeserving either. But he proved himself at TSL3 to be able to at least compete in Code A. What has Fenix proved? Let me ask you guys this. Would you guys still say that Fenix/Slush deserve the spots if they were ordinary Korean players? Would you guys even watch their games if this was the case? I can definitely say I would not. But for Thorzain's case, I can be sure to at least check out his games because of his previous showings. They just need a rule in place when giving out free invites. Something like no lower than rank 6th or something. What would you say if everyone refused the invite and they went all the way down to Gretorp? Well, Fenix beat oGsTop and placed third at DH.
That was an extremely long time ago, we're talking about a time when Rainbow, Ensnare and Maka were the best Terran players in the world.
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On June 23 2011 09:50 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:28 Fubi wrote:On June 23 2011 09:12 s4life wrote:On June 23 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:On June 23 2011 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 23 2011 08:45 Fubi wrote:
No offense to Fenix, but this is a bit ridiculous that they would just go through the ranking and give Code A spots to anyone that accepts third. Fenix ranked 11th at MLG Columbus afaik... most of the Koreans in the code A qualifier can probably rank higher than that. How is this fair to people like Donraegu, Ganzi, Line, TheSTC, etc etc, whom all are deserving of at least a Code A spot, but because of the brutal qualifier, didn't get through? Because GOM is doing this from a marketing standpoint rather than a "let's get the best players" view. They want foreigners. By your argument, Huk shouldn't have ever made it to GSL in his Code A debut. He was an invite. He got knocked out of the qualifiers when he tried during the open seasons. GOM wants to expand to the foreign scene cause its about money, not about talent Yes, Huk was undeserving of the spot either. What has he done after he got the spot? Never advancing far or anything. But noticed I said "was". I agree that he is now deserving to be in Code S, but that is because of his hard work and what not. I'd rather him go thru the qualifier now and prove himself. But let's not derail this into a debate about Huk any further. And as for marketing standpoint, are the foreign audience that blind to just watch any GSL matches as long as it involves a foreigner? I have nothing against the exchange program, so long as they invite the actual top players, aka deserving players. Inviting the 11th and 14th is going over the board. I don't know about you guys, but as a SC2 fan, I'd much prefer watching a game because it is a high level epic game. But I guess most of the foreign fans aren't like me, and would watch anything as long as there is a white guy in the booth. Thorzain placed 9th in MLG Columbus, are you gonna include him too in your rant? Or how about this? July managed to get 'only' 13th in the same tournament.. I guess he placed 13th because he's obviously not an actual top player uh? -- your own words. You don't realize how hard it is to come from the open bracket and place in the top 16 in any MLG as of late pal.. if July barely managed, how do you figure it's a piece of cake for most other lower-rated korean players? Edit: I guess I was referring to Fenix here.. I am not familiar with how Sheth was invited. Did you even watch the tournament? July proved that the Open bracket isn't hard. And the only matches July lost to was to MMA in the pool play, which placed him in the lower brackets, and then got eliminated by Moon. And yes, if based on just the MLG results, Thorzain is undeserving either. But he proved himself at TSL3 to be able to at least compete in Code A. What has Fenix proved? Let me ask you guys this. Would you guys still say that Fenix/Slush deserve the spots if they were ordinary Korean players? Would you guys even watch their games if this was the case? I can definitely say I would not. But for Thorzain's case, I can be sure to at least check out his games because of his previous showings. They just need a rule in place when giving out free invites. Something like no lower than rank 6th or something. What would you say if everyone refused the invite and they went all the way down to Gretorp? Well, Fenix beat oGsTop and placed third at DH. He's not as popular as Thorzain or Naniwa.. nor Destiny or Tyler heh.. but he is a good player and being only 18, he's far away from peaking, this opportunity for him in Korea is probably what he needed. He deserves the invite as per the rules.. period. Seriously, I can't count the number of Huk haterz who were saying the same shit about him as you are doing now with other players, only to be proved very wrong last weekend. I guess we'll wait and see. BTW Gretorp -- who didn't place even top 32 in MLG -- is also a good player and if he'd put enough practice he could probably give good games in code A too.
1) Fenix beat oGsTop aeons ago. The fact that you had to bring up an achievement that is from an irrelevant time proves more that Fenix hasn't really done anything worthy of mention.
2) Age is pretty irrelevant. There are a lot of young players that never improves or gets worst over time, and there are a lot of older players that still improved drastically (Nestea). Also, there are quite a lot of the Korean players that are 18 or younger.
3) It doesn't matter what they can theoretically or potentially do in the future. Our point is there are more deserving players right NOW. If Fenix can train hardcore, improve, and get a top 3 non-Korean placing at a future MLG, then sure enough, I'll be the first to congratulate him and be a proud foreigner fan to have him over competing. Just just as Huk wasn't deserving to be in it back then, Fenix definitely doesn't deserve his spot over players like Dongraegu, Ganzi, Line, STC, etc.
4) And @ your Gretorp argument, I guess you can use your argument for any average GM NA players. But point is, you said "if". Same for Fenix; "if" he practices more and improves, then he will be deserving to be sent over, but now is not the time.
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