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Here's a vote for each unit; Note that some units aren't there because of the 12 max on polls
if your going to vote, vote on them all
+ Show Spoiler [Zerg] + + Show Spoiler [Pawn] +Poll: Zerg PawnZergling (8) 89% Ultralisk (1) 11% Baneling (0) 0% Hydralisk (0) 0% Roach (0) 0% Mutalisk (0) 0% Corruptor (0) 0% Queen (0) 0% Broodlord (0) 0% Drone (0) 0% Overlord (0) 0% Broodling (0) 0% 9 total votes Your vote: Zerg Pawn (Vote): Zergling
(Vote): Baneling
(Vote): Hydralisk
(Vote): Roach
(Vote): Ultralisk
(Vote): Mutalisk
(Vote): Corruptor
(Vote): Queen
(Vote): Broodlord
(Vote): Drone
(Vote): Overlord
(Vote): Broodling
Poll: Zerg KnightRoach (3) 60% Hydralisk (1) 20% Mutalisk (1) 20% Zergling (0) 0% Baneling (0) 0% Ultralisk (0) 0% Corruptor (0) 0% Queen (0) 0% Broodlord (0) 0% Drone (0) 0% Overlord (0) 0% Infestor (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Zerg Knight (Vote): Zergling
(Vote): Baneling
(Vote): Hydralisk
(Vote): Roach
(Vote): Ultralisk
(Vote): Mutalisk
(Vote): Corruptor
(Vote): Queen
(Vote): Broodlord
(Vote): Drone
(Vote): Overlord
(Vote): Infestor
Poll: Zerg BishopMutalisk (3) 75% Hydralisk (1) 25% Zergling (0) 0% Baneling (0) 0% Roach (0) 0% Ultralisk (0) 0% Corruptor (0) 0% Queen (0) 0% Broodlord (0) 0% Drone (0) 0% Overlord (0) 0% Infestor (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Zerg Bishop (Vote): Zergling
(Vote): Baneling
(Vote): Hydralisk
(Vote): Roach
(Vote): Ultralisk
(Vote): Mutalisk
(Vote): Corruptor
(Vote): Queen
(Vote): Broodlord
(Vote): Drone
(Vote): Overlord
(Vote): Infestor
Poll: Zerg RookUltralisk (4) 67% Broodlord (2) 33% Zergling (0) 0% Baneling (0) 0% Hydralisk (0) 0% Roach (0) 0% Mutalisk (0) 0% Corruptor (0) 0% Queen (0) 0% Drone (0) 0% Overlord (0) 0% Infestor (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Zerg Rook (Vote): Zergling
(Vote): Baneling
(Vote): Hydralisk
(Vote): Roach
(Vote): Ultralisk
(Vote): Mutalisk
(Vote): Corruptor
(Vote): Queen
(Vote): Broodlord
(Vote): Drone
(Vote): Overlord
(Vote): Infestor
Poll: Zerg QueenQueen (4) 80% Infestor (1) 20% Zergling (0) 0% Baneling (0) 0% Hydralisk (0) 0% Roach (0) 0% Ultralisk (0) 0% Mutalisk (0) 0% Corruptor (0) 0% Broodlord (0) 0% Drone (0) 0% Overlord (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Zerg Queen (Vote): Zergling
(Vote): Baneling
(Vote): Hydralisk
(Vote): Roach
(Vote): Ultralisk
(Vote): Mutalisk
(Vote): Corruptor
(Vote): Queen
(Vote): Broodlord
(Vote): Drone
(Vote): Overlord
(Vote): Infestor
Poll: Zerg KingUltralisk (2) 40% Zergling (1) 20% Broodlord (1) 20% Overlord (1) 20% Baneling (0) 0% Hydralisk (0) 0% Roach (0) 0% Mutalisk (0) 0% Corruptor (0) 0% Queen (0) 0% Drone (0) 0% Infestor (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Zerg King (Vote): Zergling
(Vote): Baneling
(Vote): Hydralisk
(Vote): Roach
(Vote): Ultralisk
(Vote): Mutalisk
(Vote): Corruptor
(Vote): Broodlord
(Vote): Queen
(Vote): Drone
(Vote): Overlord
(Vote): Infestor
+ Show Spoiler [Terran] + + Show Spoiler [Pawn] +Poll: Terran PawnMarine (6) 75% Battlecruiser (1) 13% Raven (1) 13% Marauder (0) 0% Medivac (0) 0% Seige Tank (0) 0% Banshee (0) 0% Viking (0) 0% Thor (0) 0% Reaper (0) 0% Ghost (0) 0% Hellion (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Terran Pawn (Vote): Marine
(Vote): Marauder
(Vote): Medivac
(Vote): Seige Tank
(Vote): Banshee
(Vote): Viking
(Vote): Thor
(Vote): Reaper
(Vote): Ghost
(Vote): Hellion
(Vote): Battlecruiser
(Vote): Raven
Poll: Terran KnightMarauder (3) 50% Medivac (2) 33% Reaper (1) 17% Ghost (0) 0% Marine (0) 0% Hellion (0) 0% Siege Tank (0) 0% Thor (0) 0% Viking (0) 0% Raven (0) 0% Banshee (0) 0% Battlecruiser (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Terran Knight (Vote): Ghost
(Vote): Reaper
(Vote): Marine
(Vote): Marauder
(Vote): Medivac
(Vote): Hellion
(Vote): Siege Tank
(Vote): Thor
(Vote): Viking
(Vote): Raven
(Vote): Banshee
(Vote): Battlecruiser
Poll: Terran BishopHellion (3) 50% Siege Tank (1) 17% Viking (1) 17% Banshee (1) 17% Ghost (0) 0% Reaper (0) 0% Marine (0) 0% Marauder (0) 0% Medivac (0) 0% Thor (0) 0% Raven (0) 0% Battlecruiser (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Terran Bishop (Vote): Ghost
(Vote): Reaper
(Vote): Marine
(Vote): Marauder
(Vote): Medivac
(Vote): Hellion
(Vote): Siege Tank
(Vote): Thor
(Vote): Viking
(Vote): Raven
(Vote): Banshee
(Vote): Battlecruiser
Poll: Terran RookSiege Tank (6) 100% Ghost (0) 0% Reaper (0) 0% Marine (0) 0% Marauder (0) 0% Medivac (0) 0% Hellion (0) 0% Thor (0) 0% Viking (0) 0% Raven (0) 0% Banshee (0) 0% Battlecruiser (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Terran Rook (Vote): Ghost
(Vote): Reaper
(Vote): Marine
(Vote): Marauder
(Vote): Medivac
(Vote): Hellion
(Vote): Siege Tank
(Vote): Thor
(Vote): Viking
(Vote): Raven
(Vote): Banshee
(Vote): Battlecruiser
Poll: Terran QueenBanshee (3) 75% Medivac (1) 25% Ghost (0) 0% Reaper (0) 0% Marine (0) 0% Marauder (0) 0% Hellion (0) 0% Siege Tank (0) 0% Thor (0) 0% Viking (0) 0% Raven (0) 0% Battlecruiser (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Terran Queen (Vote): Ghost
(Vote): Reaper
(Vote): Marine
(Vote): Marauder
(Vote): Medivac
(Vote): Hellion
(Vote): Siege Tank
(Vote): Thor
(Vote): Viking
(Vote): Raven
(Vote): Banshee
(Vote): Battlecruiser
Poll: Terran KingThor (4) 80% Reaper (1) 20% Ghost (0) 0% Marine (0) 0% Marauder (0) 0% Medivac (0) 0% Hellion (0) 0% Siege Tank (0) 0% Viking (0) 0% Raven (0) 0% Banshee (0) 0% Battlecruiser (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Terran King (Vote): Ghost
(Vote): Reaper
(Vote): Marine
(Vote): Marauder
(Vote): Medivac
(Vote): Hellion
(Vote): Siege Tank
(Vote): Thor
(Vote): Viking
(Vote): Raven
(Vote): Banshee
(Vote): Battlecruiser
+ Show Spoiler [Protoss] + + Show Spoiler [Pawn] +Poll: Protoss PawnZealot (4) 80% Mothership (1) 20% Stalker (0) 0% Sentry (0) 0% Dark Templar (0) 0% High Templar (0) 0% Archon (0) 0% Immortal (0) 0% Collussus (0) 0% Phoenix (0) 0% Void Ray (0) 0% Carrier (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Protoss Pawn (Vote): Zealot
(Vote): Stalker
(Vote): Sentry
(Vote): Dark Templar
(Vote): High Templar
(Vote): Archon
(Vote): Immortal
(Vote): Collussus
(Vote): Phoenix
(Vote): Void Ray
(Vote): Carrier
(Vote): Mothership
Poll: Protoss KnightStalker (5) 100% Zealot (0) 0% Sentry (0) 0% Dark Templar (0) 0% High Templar (0) 0% Archon (0) 0% Immortal (0) 0% Collussus (0) 0% Phoenix (0) 0% Void Ray (0) 0% Carrier (0) 0% Mothership (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Protoss Knight (Vote): Zealot
(Vote): Stalker
(Vote): Sentry
(Vote): Dark Templar
(Vote): High Templar
(Vote): Archon
(Vote): Immortal
(Vote): Collussus
(Vote): Phoenix
(Vote): Void Ray
(Vote): Carrier
(Vote): Mothership
Poll: Protoss BishopPhoenix (2) 50% Dark Templar (1) 25% Void Ray (1) 25% Zealot (0) 0% Stalker (0) 0% Sentry (0) 0% High Templar (0) 0% Archon (0) 0% Immortal (0) 0% Collussus (0) 0% Carrier (0) 0% Mothership (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Protoss Bishop (Vote): Zealot
(Vote): Stalker
(Vote): Sentry
(Vote): Dark Templar
(Vote): High Templar
(Vote): Archon
(Vote): Immortal
(Vote): Collussus
(Vote): Phoenix
(Vote): Void Ray
(Vote): Carrier
(Vote): Mothership
Poll: Protoss RookCollussus (4) 100% Zealot (0) 0% Stalker (0) 0% Sentry (0) 0% Dark Templar (0) 0% High Templar (0) 0% Archon (0) 0% Immortal (0) 0% Phoenix (0) 0% Void Ray (0) 0% Carrier (0) 0% Mothership (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Protoss Rook (Vote): Zealot
(Vote): Stalker
(Vote): Sentry
(Vote): Dark Templar
(Vote): High Templar
(Vote): Archon
(Vote): Immortal
(Vote): Collussus
(Vote): Phoenix
(Vote): Void Ray
(Vote): Carrier
(Vote): Mothership
Poll: Protoss QueenCarrier (3) 100% Zealot (0) 0% Stalker (0) 0% Sentry (0) 0% Dark Templar (0) 0% High Templar (0) 0% Archon (0) 0% Immortal (0) 0% Collussus (0) 0% Phoenix (0) 0% Void Ray (0) 0% Mothership (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Protoss Queen (Vote): Zealot
(Vote): Stalker
(Vote): Sentry
(Vote): Dark Templar
(Vote): High Templar
(Vote): Archon
(Vote): Immortal
(Vote): Collussus
(Vote): Phoenix
(Vote): Void Ray
(Vote): Carrier
(Vote): Mothership
Poll: Protoss KingMothership (2) 40% Dark Templar (1) 20% High Templar (1) 20% Archon (1) 20% Zealot (0) 0% Stalker (0) 0% Sentry (0) 0% Immortal (0) 0% Collussus (0) 0% Phoenix (0) 0% Void Ray (0) 0% Carrier (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Protoss King (Vote): Zealot
(Vote): Stalker
(Vote): Sentry
(Vote): Dark Templar
(Vote): High Templar
(Vote): Archon
(Vote): Immortal
(Vote): Collussus
(Vote): Phoenix
(Vote): Void Ray
(Vote): Carrier
(Vote): Mothership
Polls are so large and unwieldy...
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Zerg queen should be... QUEEN, doesn't actually fit but I still think that it should.
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The King has got to be the Brood Lord, they are incredibly slow and you have to protect them at all costs :D
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Honestly the pawns are scvs while the rook/knight/bishop are marines/siege tanks and the king is MARINEKING while the queen is the medivac pilot
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On June 17 2011 04:15 Navillus wrote:
Zerg queen should be... QUEEN, doesn't actually fit but I still think that it should.
In a lot of ways, the queen IS the most powerful zerg unit. I could see an arguement for it, atleast.
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On June 17 2011 03:44 Diks wrote:A chess where you can micro battle would be funny
Anyone remember that chess game for the N64? Whenever you'd capture a piece, it would play a little animation to illustrate it. For example, if a knight took a bishop, you would see something like a CGI guy in armor slashing a guy in a friar's robe.
If someone were to make a custom map out of this, I would love it if after a capture, the camera would move to an arena part of the map, where you can watch 2 computer representatives of the units duke it out quickly.
Then hilarity will ensue when a zealot somehow takes out a Brood Lord.
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I think Zerg Knight should be a Nydus worm.
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There's a sc2 chess mod game on bnet. It's kinda fun
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My vision of SC2 chess unit equivalents:
+ Show Spoiler +Pawn:Zerg - Roach Protoss - Zealot Terran - Marauder (Why not zergling or marine for pawn ? Well, chess is not a best game of sheer numbers and wins just by overwhelming your opponent. Pawns is more of a tanking damage and positional control + marine is too "universal" in terms of game (sc2) abilities to be a pawn)
Best impersonation in game - definitely Zealot.Knight:Zerg - (unfortunately I don't think zerg have a good knight impersonation in chess  ) Protoss - Blink Stalker Terran - Reaper (While reaper and blink stalker are really fit to be knight in chess, zergs really miss their own"knight". May be a roach with burrow would be great, but it was assigned to be a pawn already.)
Best impersonation in game - Blink Stalker.Bishop:Zerg - Corruptor Protoss - Fenix Terran - Viking (Bishop, mobile unit with limited capabilities. Both viking and corruptor fits well in this category, while fenix not really looking great. But at least fenix is aggressively mobile unit in game, so let it be a bishop in chess)
Best impersonation in game - Viking.Rook:Zerg - Broodlord Protoss - Colossus Terran - Siege Tank (Very important chess piece to control space in game, both used offensively and in defense. But not the universal piece on the board.)
Best impersonation in game - Siege Tank.Queen:Zerg - Mutalisk Protoss - Void Ray Terran - Banshee (Queen likely to be in SC2 an extremely mobile and universal unit (should hit ground and air). Sorry for the original Zerg "queen", but the chess queen in SC2 would be Mutalisk. It moves fast, hits hard and retreats in a blink of an eye. Void Ray and Banshee unfortunately not as fast, but they are closest what other races have in their arsenal to fill a queen role in chess.
Best impersonation in game - without a doubt Mutalisk.King:Zerg - Ultralisk Protoss - Archon Terran - Thor (Thor as impersonation of terran power unit in game gets "King" role without any hesitation. Archon probably a second best variant of "King" in game +low attack range makes him look really like "King" piece in chess. The zerg queen was nominated on this role, but didn't get through casting stage despite that she is really physically looks and behaves in game like king in chess. Lets say honestly, to be a king on the chess board you need to be at least a power unit in game. The only thing that zerg has left is Ultralisk. So let it be King for zerg.
Best impersonation in game - Thor. Archon looks very good, but Thor just a cooler unit to be a King piece in chess.
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I would argue the pawn would be the ultralisk.
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remind me how broodlords are highly mobile again
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Honestly, mutalisk fits the zerg knight better. Knights can "fly" over defenses, are very mobile and as a chess player who goes to tournaments and plays competitively can be used to "harass" in a sense.
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obviously Queen for zerg should be Kerrigan!
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Queen should be Queen, and King should be Broodlord.
That is the setup that they use in most Poker-Defense maps, at least. Back in BW, I think some of the Poker D maps that I frequented used Queens and Guardians as Queens and Kings respectively. I suppose that this can carry through to SC2 unit compositions.
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This reminds me of the SC/chess meme where all the white pieces are pawns covering the board besides blacks starting pieces.
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For Terran mine would go as:+ Show Spoiler +Pawn
Marine-plentiful, and later game can be traded while you replenish your higher cost pieces.
Bishop
Hellion-fast moving, but has restricted movement, and can easily be blocked with enemy units
Knight
Medivac-not the fastest piece, but it can bypass units and has freedom of movement
Rook
Siege tank-pretty limited on movement, but has clear fighting lanes
Queen
Banshee (for lack of a better)- can move far, is evasive, and can put a bucket-load of hurt on the enemy army. Just don't overextend her.
King
Thor-like you said, he is the slow badass of the ground. He creates an area of no-go. Thor on thor fights never happen.
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My turn!
Pawn: Zergling / Marine / Zealot
Knight: Hydralisk / Marauder / Stalker
Bishop: Mutalisk /Banshee / Void Ray
(alternatively: Corrupter / Viking / Phoenix)
Rook: Broodlord / Siege Tank / Collosus
Queen: ? / Battlecruiser / Mothership
King: Queen / ? / ?
Zerg Queen: maybe Infestor, maybe Ultralisk, maybe wait for a new unit in HotS (Defiler return?)
Protoss King: maybe High Templar (just because of the look), maybe Archon
Terran King: maybe Ghost, maybe Thor
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I feel like something worth considering is which units would best represent the race as well. If we were looking at this as a piece of Starcraft 2 merchandise, some units are such trademarks of the race that they ought to be included.
Example:
Marines are an iconic Terran unit. It wouldn't really feel like a Terran set if they weren't in there somewhere.
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I really like the thought behind some of the unit choices Equalize[R] made, though I'm not sure I agree with all of the actual selections. I'd like to continue in similar fashion with my own thoughts:
Pawn: I really like the idea behind the selections here, and pretty much agree with all points made. Smiply because of roach/marauder range, they do not work as well as zealot for pawn.
Knight: I think that just simply looking at this in terms of "tricksy movement" doesn't quite capture the full essence of the piece. A knight is more than just the unit that moves in funky ways, a knight is often a piece of sacrifice for a greater advantage. It is also a piece that allows you to backstab and make your opponent make tough decisions (threatening two priority targets at once). It is true that both the reaper and stalker can fit this role, but the stalker in a sense, if also much beefier a unit than a knight is in chess. I think between the two, a reaper is a much better impersonator, although, perhaps maybe a bit weaker than a knight in its respective game. I think that hellions could also fit this role, because they are more on par with the power of the knight, even if they lack being as tricksy movement-wise. Really, any "harassment" unit would fit this slot rather well (DT, Banshee, HT drop, etc.). Now as for zerg, I think that the infestor would fit this role rather well since it can burrow-move and since it has the potential for some nasty harrassment (with fungal/infested terrans). Also it is often sacrificed in battle (NP colossus/thor) to make an opponent make a decision. I don't necessarily have a favorite here, and I'll explain why at the end.
Bishop: I mostly agree with this and the selections, but I think I would place phoenix higher than corruptors, and might even swap out corruptors for mutalisks altogether given that corruptors are only a threat if you have any arial units (or colossus) to begin with. A mass of mutas/vikings/phoenix (in that order) could potentially end the game, though it is not easy to do so with just those units. This is much like the way you can force a checkmate with only bishops and a king, though much more slowly than with rooks.
Queen: I'm skipping to queen before rook because I think we need to address this first. I do not agree with the direction on this one. The queen is the most high priority target in the game, aside from the king. It is the most powerful and devistating piece and is often the piece to end the game. Therefore, I think the units that most reflect this are the power units: tank, thor, colossus, immortal, archon, ultralisk, broodlord. Some of these I think are more rook-like, but it is a hard call I think to say which one is which. If I had to separate them out though I'd say thor/colossus/archon/ultralisk are more queen-like (stronger/more versitile/more priority), and tank/immortal/broodlord are more rook-like in that...
Rook: I think rooks have a bit of a defensive element about them that tank/immortal/broodlord have. Given high ground tanks/broodlord really shine, and immortals just have defense built in. If you want to protect your base, these units can do it for you, much like a king castling. The reason I don't pick sentry, is the fact that unless you playing against a pro, sentries do not have the "checkmate" power that tank/immortal/broodlord have. Even though there is a defensive element to them, they pack quite a punch when they are finally out having their way with the king.
King: I think this is the one I most disagree with all around (that is, with everyone's assessment, not just with Equalize[R]) with one exception. I think I most agree with OP about he zerg queen being king since it is a unit that is fundamental to the zerg army, and if taken out could often spell gg. But, even this I don't think is the best unit to describe this chess piece. I think the most obvious answer, and I'm a little surprised someone like Idra or Morrow hasn't slammed their fists down on this one (even though this is sort of a silly topic for progamers to care about) is the Worker: SCV, Probe, and Drone. These are the backbone of the army. You start and end with these. Of course, you don't actually lose unless all your buildings are destroyed, so in a sense buildings are your king, but if you lose all your scv's, unless you have some sort of base trade going, you lose. You need these guys. Sure you have many of them, but they are really all one economic unit. Your econ is your king. Keep it alive, and you still have a chance. Don't and it's checkmate. Also, if you want to draw more similarities, they have short attack range, are not very good at picking off army units (though they can and will from time to time if stuff gets too close). And they are often used to assist in a checkmate (like breaking a siege line, although, this is a little bit reverse of how it works in chess you don't actually suicide the king so much as use it for the assist in endgame scenarios).
Now, the reason I didn't pick a favorite unit for the knight or for the Protoss queen is that in a way, piece in chess I think are more analogous to "motions of the game" like knights being harassment, and the king being econ, rather than specific units corresponding to the pieces. Some units do seem to correspond nicely, but others I think are more nebuolous and harder to pin down or at least come up with a "favorite" for. Little of this really matters to the game, but it was a fun thing to think about.
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Quite interesting analysis. Never thought of the pieces that way :D
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