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Canell
Profile Joined March 2011
8 Posts
June 15 2011 15:43 GMT
#1
Hello, I just figured i'd throw out there what I found when trying to remove acceleration. It is fairly well known that the ingame slider causes mouse acceleration, but i've seen a lot of people suggesting it should be set to 50. Running MarkC's Mouse Movement Recorder, I found that even though I had managed to get rid of mouse acceleration in Windows, it was still present ingame. Turned out it was because I had the slider set to 50. Here is the difference between 50 and 51 ingame sens inside SC2:

50 ingame sens:

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51 ingame sens:

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The red and green highlights indicate acceleration being present, and the difference even with such small values is very noticable. In both cases, I had zero acceleration in Windows; it only kicks in once SC2 is launched. Some further testing showed that 51-55 all have zero acceleration while, 50 or lower and 56 and higher all cause immediately noticable acceleration.

snexwang
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia224 Posts
June 15 2011 15:45 GMT
#2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165625

Similar thread.

Though I like this one because it has pictures. =]
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 15 2011 15:48 GMT
#3
Yah this has been discussed to death but its sad that literally one notch could possibly mess up your mouse actions lol.
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ArtemisKnives
Profile Joined March 2010
United States210 Posts
June 15 2011 16:04 GMT
#4
omg this is incredible news. I KNEW IT WAS HAPPENING! ahhhhhhh this is maddening.
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vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
June 15 2011 16:31 GMT
#5
How are you tracking your mouse information? I'd like that simply because there have been instances in the past where I suspected mouse acceleration with certain random setups...
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
June 15 2011 16:39 GMT
#6
What exactly is mouse acceleration?

And maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but... I've often wondered about how well I use my mouse (mainly for micro) and whether I need to turn my mouse sensitivity up or down or keep it where it is, and occasionally I changed it but I never can tell whether the change improved anything. How would I figure this out?
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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
June 15 2011 16:40 GMT
#7
On June 16 2011 01:31 vicariouscheese wrote:
How are you tracking your mouse information? I'd like that simply because there have been instances in the past where I suspected mouse acceleration with certain random setups...

It's in this package http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
June 15 2011 16:43 GMT
#8
Yep I've been using 51 since the beginning, even though I don't really understand why it is better. 50 just never felt right to me. Then again I'm one of those noobs who still has windows mouse acceleration because I can't get away from that nor my terrible decade-old mouse :/
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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 16:56:05
June 15 2011 16:46 GMT
#9
Also that's not mouse acceleration, that's just not having a 1:1 movement ratio, which we already know SC2 will do if you raise the sensitivity since it just bumps up your windows sensitivity, and if it goes beyond 6/11 you lose 1:1 movement.

And you get it at 50 because you are likely on 5/11 sens in windows, if you raised it a notch and tried again you wont see the green bars which indicate less than 1:1 movement
SnowSC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States678 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 17:08:04
June 15 2011 16:50 GMT
#10
Not mouse acceleration, and the aforementioned thread already has all the info anyone would need regarding this

On June 16 2011 01:46 floor exercise wrote:
Also that's not mouse acceleration, that's just not having a 1:1 movement ratio, which we already know SC2 will do if you raise the sensitivity since it just bumps up your windows sensitivity, and if it goes beyond 6/11 you lose 1:1 movement.

And you get it at 50 because you are likely on 5/11 sens in windows, if you raised it a notch and tried again you wont see the green bars which indicate less than 1:1 movement


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165625

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Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
June 15 2011 17:47 GMT
#11
Any chance there is a way to keep no acceleration but retain a high moue speed ? I have my mouse speed maxed out on windows, but setting ingame sensitivity to 51% is far too slow for my liking.
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
June 15 2011 17:49 GMT
#12
you have to get a better mouse that allows you to up the DPI
sAfuRos
Profile Joined March 2009
United States743 Posts
June 15 2011 17:51 GMT
#13
So if i'm playing with a 400dpi mouse at 100% in game sensitivity...am i missing out on something?
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nVusPip
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom260 Posts
June 15 2011 17:51 GMT
#14
On June 16 2011 02:47 Dommk wrote:
Any chance there is a way to keep no acceleration but retain a high moue speed ? I have my mouse speed maxed out on windows, but setting ingame sensitivity to 51% is far too slow for my liking.


Am pretty sure windows and SC2 sensitivity is different so they would have to be chosen separately unless there is a method which allows it to flow over the different applications.

I think getting a higher DPI mouse will give you the same smooth flow with a higher sensitivity (since that is how it feels with my MX518)
StarCraft64
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States354 Posts
June 15 2011 17:53 GMT
#15
On June 16 2011 02:47 Dommk wrote:
Any chance there is a way to keep no acceleration but retain a high moue speed ? I have my mouse speed maxed out on windows, but setting ingame sensitivity to 51% is far too slow for my liking.

I do it by adjusting the DPI on my mouse, but not all mice have this feature. Any gaming mouse should have it available via software/drivers or hardware buttons. Not sure about other mice though.
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Ziggitz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States340 Posts
June 15 2011 17:54 GMT
#16
On June 16 2011 02:47 Dommk wrote:
Any chance there is a way to keep no acceleration but retain a high moue speed ? I have my mouse speed maxed out on windows, but setting ingame sensitivity to 51% is far too slow for my liking.


Get a higher resolution mouse.
SnowSC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States678 Posts
June 15 2011 17:58 GMT
#17
On June 16 2011 02:54 Ziggitz wrote:
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On June 16 2011 02:47 Dommk wrote:
Any chance there is a way to keep no acceleration but retain a high moue speed ? I have my mouse speed maxed out on windows, but setting ingame sensitivity to 51% is far too slow for my liking.


Get a higher resolution mouse.

yeah i think a good rule to go by (imo anyway) is windows 6/11, sc2 51 so thats always 1:1.
If you need a faster or slower spees than that should be hardware only, or changed via your mouse's driver software.
Waltchelg
Profile Joined April 2010
United States66 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 18:37:08
June 15 2011 18:35 GMT
#18
mouse speed/acceleration has been beat to death by the FPS scene. It is generally accepted that your windows bar should not be lower than 3/11 or higher than something like 8/11. When the windows setting goes outside that range you end up skipping pixels which is detrimental to your accuracy.

edit: I hate the SC2 slider. A lot.
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SnowSC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States678 Posts
June 15 2011 19:22 GMT
#19
On June 16 2011 03:35 Waltchelg wrote:
mouse speed/acceleration has been beat to death by the FPS scene. It is generally accepted that your windows bar should not be lower than 3/11 or higher than something like 8/11. When the windows setting goes outside that range you end up skipping pixels which is detrimental to your accuracy.

edit: I hate the SC2 slider. A lot.

yeah the sliders a joke, 51-54% being 1:1 and having different percentages being the same speed is wierd.
Barett
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada454 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 20:08:37
June 15 2011 19:32 GMT
#20
Great Thread. I have been reading up on Mouse Precision alot recently and I had to go into SC2 and put it on 51% because of this.

It is really hard to get used to 51% when I used 31% before haha. My Micro is terrible right now.

Thanks alot OP
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iiNsAnE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany140 Posts
June 15 2011 19:34 GMT
#21
I always used 51 so the difference didn't really appear for me.

I used to play CSS and CoD so I've worked quite a while on the best way to set up my mouse. Some day I found a pretty good Blog about this with a lot of information on Windows sensitivity, mouse acceleration...
Link

For me this works perfectly fine so I think it may also fix some issues for other players...
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DuckS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States845 Posts
June 15 2011 19:42 GMT
#22
On June 16 2011 01:39 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
What exactly is mouse acceleration?

And maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but... I've often wondered about how well I use my mouse (mainly for micro) and whether I need to turn my mouse sensitivity up or down or keep it where it is, and occasionally I changed it but I never can tell whether the change improved anything. How would I figure this out?


It's exactly what its name is. Depending on how hard or soft you thrust your mouse, accelerations on a mouse react to that speed. I can move my mouse only an inch, but if you thrust it hard enough in that inch, it'll send your cursor across your screen. As a mac user, I've had it integrated and I'm native to accelerations. Recently downloaded a program to disable it, as it's a lot better for your game. Anyways, the general acceptance for sensitivity is 51-54 and a 6-8 on your windows bar.
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
June 15 2011 19:46 GMT
#23
yeah as people have said already, a few months ago people found out 50% is not the ideal setting.
it's actually not 51%, but 51-54% are all the same setting =)
been using this and 6/11 windows and no acceleration with my xai for a perfect control.

will switch to a puretrak talent/stealth (exactly the same, just size is different and image) and valor soon though
ogawdlulz
Profile Joined March 2011
Bangladesh61 Posts
June 15 2011 19:48 GMT
#24
The windows sensitivity doesn't affect anything at all in SC2. I don't know why people keep mentioning it.
SnowSC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States678 Posts
June 15 2011 19:52 GMT
#25
On June 16 2011 04:48 ogawdlulz wrote:
The windows sensitivity doesn't affect anything at all in SC2. I don't know why people keep mentioning it.

lol.. i think your referring to us talk about 1:1 mouse sensitivity. 6/11 is equivelant to 51% percent so its the same speed in game as in windows. thats what 1:1 is.
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