EPTYou gonna blame the players? get real son. The tournament is too long -- this at least they can fix -- the best foreign players have at least 2 or 3 leagues in which they are competing and going to Korea for a month would have disastrous consequences in their play during that time. As for not getting into the korean market the way they wanted, the reason might be more of a blizzard vs kespa issue, but regardless they underestimated the effect of being off live TV.
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
You gonna blame the players? get real son. The tournament is too long -- this at least they can fix -- the best foreign players have at least 2 or 3 leagues in which they are competing and going to Korea for a month would have disastrous consequences in their play during that time. As for not getting into the korean market the way they wanted, the reason might be more of a blizzard vs kespa issue, but regardless they underestimated the effect of being off live TV. | ||
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
I think it is. If they made the tournaments last, let's say, 2 weeks. Then it would become a lot better for foreigners to attend it. I think how long it lasts is the culprit here, and probably expenses, but mostly time. | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
It's one thing to encourage diversity by making it easier for players to go to Korea and participate but I'd like to see them at least earn their spots. | ||
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VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
Mucho complaining about the large majority of Terran/questioning why more foreigners are not participating from what my rudimentary Korean can take out of it. | ||
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CScythe
Canada810 Posts
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DirtYLOu
575 Posts
MLG =/= GSL Super tournament They are not at the same days so idk how is that possible. I don't know why everyone is blaming GSL that there is no more than 2 foregieners in GSL Super Tournament O_O It's not like they didn't send foreigners the invites O_O | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:54 CScythe wrote: I think it will be a while longer before foreigners become confident to attend Korean style SC2 events. I think its more then confidence, its having to stay for a month which most people don't want to do for good reasons. | ||
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DirtYLOu
575 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:57 blade55555 wrote: I think its more then confidence, its having to stay for a month which most people don't want to do for good reasons. Don't they have a spot on GOM foreigner house? and Aren't the players in Teams? Team can't cover expanses of food? For me it's amateur acts that foreigners show. | ||
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ViperaViRuS
United States82 Posts
On May 18 2011 00:56 fortheGG wrote: exactly, its just sad sc2 is all about money. can't have them at fault for it though. First, don't take this as a personal stab to yourself, I'm just building off your "can't have them at fault for it though" statement. Realistically, these men have made it their profession. Therefore the money they do receive in order to live on a daily basis is earned through playing Starcraft 2. The amount of money it costs to go to another country, as well as the money spent on living costs while they are there for the sake of this tournament vs the potential money they could receive from the tournament (and their actual likelihood of doing well in said tournament) vs the number of tournaments and the amount of money they could potentially earn elsewhere, it makes sense for everyone to decline minus those that are already in Korea. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:58 DirtYLOu wrote: Don't they have a spot on GOM foreigner house? and Aren't the players in Teams? Team can't cover expanses of food? For me it's amateur acts that foreigners show. I'm more talking about school/work or other real life obligations that don't let them take a month off. | ||
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doihy
668 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:23 cheesemaster wrote: I dunno about that did you see huk in the up and down matches, he did really well against MMA who has beaten MC MVP July before hes no slouch thats for sure. And although jinro has been slumping recently, hes in code a now and hopefully he will beable to show skills. Hes had 2 top 4's in gsl that is nothing to scoff at You mean how mma failed to all in against huk first game and then huk fourgated back in the second game? Two-allins is a very a good judge of a person's skill. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:42 Jotoco wrote: I think it is. If they made the tournaments last, let's say, 2 weeks. Then it would become a lot better for foreigners to attend it. I think how long it lasts is the culprit here, and probably expenses, but mostly time. Well GSL's only last about 3 weeks as is right now, and thats if you make it to the finals otherwise its pretty much a 2 week tournament, gsl may started at the end of april 24th or something like that and ended on what the 12th thats less than 3 weeks, and obviously if your out before than you can leave , and if you make it to the finals obviously its worht it to stay. Everyone keeps saying a month but i dont remember any GSL that lasted a month its usually in between 2-3 weeks. 2 weeks and then a week for the finals. So i dont really see what your getting at.... especially for this super tournament the money is way higher than any other tournament right now for first to 4th easily. And you would beable to participate in other tournaments (mc going to dreamhack summer, 4 koreans in super tournament going to MLG, and you can still do your NASL stuff, there is 4 foreigners fromm that region (including sen) in the top 10 considering the distribution of regions that is pretty huge, and although lag can have its effects these players are dealing with it just fine it seems especially for a week or 2 and a chance to participate in the super tournament for sure. I mean if you get knocked out quick then your there for a week and its not really a big deal, but the longer you stay there in the tournament the more worth it it is to take a bit of a latency hit and stay in the tournament. Doesnt seem like a huge deal to me, just a great opportunity | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:39 s4life wrote: You gonna blame the players? get real son. The tournament is too long -- this at least they can fix -- the best foreign players have at least 2 or 3 leagues in which they are competing and going to Korea for a month would have disastrous consequences in their play during that time. As for not getting into the korean market the way they wanted, the reason might be more of a blizzard vs kespa issue, but regardless they underestimated the effect of being off live TV. And if they make it to code S and do very well, they will be paid very well. It makes sense that the best get paid the best. But yea sure, if you are not able to get to code S it will be a waste of time, I agree. If you really are one of the best, 2-3 months investment into the GSL is well worth it. Regular GSL season winner gets $40,000 and now the Super Tournament gives $90,000 (and prior to that, they held the World Championship between the GSL seasons). The money is there, it's up to the players to try for it. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:42 Jotoco wrote: I think it is. If they made the tournaments last, let's say, 2 weeks. Then it would become a lot better for foreigners to attend it. I think how long it lasts is the culprit here, and probably expenses, but mostly time. It's absolutely the time commitment. As others have said, why would you sacrifice so much time to only participate in one tournament that you have such a small chance of winning? Not to mention the fact that anything below Code S pays absolute shit while even the Code S RO32 is a pretty crappy format. There's just no real incentive to go to Korea instead of staying in EU/NA. Pay from the multitude of tournaments ends up being better, especially considering you can still be with family/friends/school work as opposed to paying to fly out and live in a foreign country where you don't know the language and have a lot of other things going against you. | ||
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tsuxiit
1305 Posts
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:41 Stratos_speAr wrote: It's absolutely the time commitment. As others have said, why would you sacrifice so much time to only participate in one tournament that you have such a small chance of winning? Not to mention the fact that anything below Code S pays absolute shit while even the Code S RO32 is a pretty crappy format. There's just no real incentive to go to Korea instead of staying in EU/NA. Pay from the multitude of tournaments ends up being better, especially considering you can still be with family/friends/school work as opposed to paying to fly out and live in a foreign country where you don't know the language and have a lot of other things going against you. I understand players not wanting to participate in the GSL, but the super tournament? its a maximum 3 week commitment for the biggest prize pool they will see in a tournament for a long while. and within the super tournament there is still time to attend MLG as well. As long as your team isnt cheap and is willing to pay for your flight i dont see the problem | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:58 DirtYLOu wrote: Don't they have a spot on GOM foreigner house? and Aren't the players in Teams? Team can't cover expanses of food? For me it's amateur acts that foreigners show. Did you even read the thread before posting?? | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:34 cheesemaster wrote: Well GSL's only last about 3 weeks as is right now, and thats if you make it to the finals otherwise its pretty much a 2 week tournament, gsl may started at the end of april 24th or something like that and ended on what the 12th thats less than 3 weeks, and obviously if your out before than you can leave , and if you make it to the finals obviously its worht it to stay. Everyone keeps saying a month but i dont remember any GSL that lasted a month its usually in between 2-3 weeks. 2 weeks and then a week for the finals. So i dont really see what your getting at.... especially for this super tournament the money is way higher than any other tournament right now for first to 4th easily. And you would beable to participate in other tournaments (mc going to dreamhack summer, 4 koreans in super tournament going to MLG, and you can still do your NASL stuff, there is 4 foreigners fromm that region (including sen) in the top 10 considering the distribution of regions that is pretty huge, and although lag can have its effects these players are dealing with it just fine it seems especially for a week or 2 and a chance to participate in the super tournament for sure. I mean if you get knocked out quick then your there for a week and its not really a big deal, but the longer you stay there in the tournament the more worth it it is to take a bit of a latency hit and stay in the tournament. Doesnt seem like a huge deal to me, just a great opportunity Compare to MLG which lasts three days, DH 5, IEM 5 days, GSL takes an eternity. There is something obviously wrong with the way GSL has scheduled their tournaments. I believe they did the wrond thing trying to copy MSL and OSL... SC2 is a much more dynamic scene than BW nowadays. And of course, it would obviously not seem a huge deal to you, coz you are not playing in NASL, IPL, DH and plenty of other western online tournaments. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
I mean, fine if people want easy money by staying wherever they can, that's their perogative, but if they want the prestige of making it where the big boys play, they'll need to go to Korea and try their hand there. If the foreigners were as good as they claim they are (and some are legitimately good) they should have no fear about making it deep into the tournament and making a decent amount of cash from it. It's all just about risk vs reward, if people think the reward isn't worth it, than fine, but stop blaming GSL for this, this is the players choice. | ||
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