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On May 18 2011 07:15 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 06:27 illsick wrote:On May 18 2011 05:41 s4life wrote:On May 18 2011 05:10 illsick wrote:On May 18 2011 04:56 s4life wrote:On May 18 2011 04:34 cheesemaster wrote:On May 18 2011 03:42 Jotoco wrote:On May 18 2011 03:32 JinDesu wrote:On May 18 2011 03:23 s4life wrote:
GSL is failing pretty hard at being 'global'.. heck it's actually failing hard hyping SC2 with koreans too.. it seems this year will be the end of big money for korean players. I don't think this is the GSL's fail. I think it is. If they made the tournaments last, let's say, 2 weeks. Then it would become a lot better for foreigners to attend it. I think how long it lasts is the culprit here, and probably expenses, but mostly time. Well GSL's only last about 3 weeks as is right now, and thats if you make it to the finals otherwise its pretty much a 2 week tournament, gsl may started at the end of april 24th or something like that and ended on what the 12th thats less than 3 weeks, and obviously if your out before than you can leave , and if you make it to the finals obviously its worht it to stay. Everyone keeps saying a month but i dont remember any GSL that lasted a month its usually in between 2-3 weeks. 2 weeks and then a week for the finals. So i dont really see what your getting at.... especially for this super tournament the money is way higher than any other tournament right now for first to 4th easily. And you would beable to participate in other tournaments (mc going to dreamhack summer, 4 koreans in super tournament going to MLG, and you can still do your NASL stuff, there is 4 foreigners fromm that region (including sen) in the top 10 considering the distribution of regions that is pretty huge, and although lag can have its effects these players are dealing with it just fine it seems especially for a week or 2 and a chance to participate in the super tournament for sure. I mean if you get knocked out quick then your there for a week and its not really a big deal, but the longer you stay there in the tournament the more worth it it is to take a bit of a latency hit and stay in the tournament. Doesnt seem like a huge deal to me, just a great opportunity Compare to MLG which lasts three days, DH 5, IEM 5 days, GSL takes an eternity. There is something obviously wrong with the way GSL has scheduled their tournaments. I believe they did the wrond thing trying to copy MSL and OSL... SC2 is a much more dynamic scene than BW nowadays. And of course, it would obviously not seem a huge deal to you, coz you are not playing in NASL, IPL, DH and plenty of other western online tournaments. and you forget that GSL pays the highest of those, and you will be paid very well if you place high. So time invested is compensated if you place high. Meanwhile, some of those tournaments they are able to compete in conjunction with GSL. I didn't forget, GSL is copying the BW model, step by step, I said this, i.e. offering huge prizes in pretty long tournaments. Problem is in SC2 there is thriving foreign community with as many opportunities to make money as GSL -- if not more -- which was absent in BW. Obviously the guys organizing GSL completely underestimated the growth of e-sports in the west and thought players outside of Korea would be begging to be invited to the GSL.. which turns out, was pretty off-the-mark. If you didn't forget, then why are you comparing if you know that GSL pays the highest but also requires you to commit more? they are televising the GSL, you think they should mimic the MLG format? where it's a 3 day tournament for first place of $5k. They can't show 3 days worth of material and then wait 2-3 more months for 2-3 day tournament of material again. Or if they do like a tournament every weekend for like $10k, it would get pretty stale. It's not underestimating anything, they just want the best players whether it be foreigners or not. If you are the best, you can potentially make the most out of GSL. If foreigners are on equal level as Koreans then they can make money from GSL as well. As it stands, if MC (or even Nestea) wins this super tournament, he will have earned $250k this year. Which progamer wouldn't want to earn that much? One year of playing outside of Korea won't net you that much. Maybe foreigners feel that Korean level is too high and it's easier to make money by not devoting time in Korea. I really don't know to respond to all the stuff you wrote, you didn't address a single argument of mine, but you win anway. The way they go, GSL won't last another year though.. it's pretty much blizzard carrying the water right now, but once the foreign pro scene gets bigger than korea by a significant margin -- and trust me, it will -- korea won't seem as important to blizzard anymore.
I dont really agree with that at all, there is a huge e sports market in korea, most likely larger than the entire western market right now, we have 50k people watching streams on the best of days, they have hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) watching on streams and their tv sets. Although most of that attention is on brood war at the moment, it will slowly shift its not like starcraft 2 has gotten less popular in korea since it started it has gotten more popular that is the reason why gom is able to do upgrades have more impressive venues and more tournaments. It will continue to grow , and once brood war is out of style there will be a huge explosion. It will most likely happen after hots, but right now in terms of people interested in e sports korea has a larger market then the west, just most of those people are watching brood war still.
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On May 18 2011 07:04 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 06:50 AlBundy wrote:
I don't get why people like the MLG format. These 3 days are wayy too stacked and are not a good environment for specators and progamers. Organizers cannot broadcast all the games, and players cannot prepare for specific matchups or opponents. Players have to play tons of games in a short time, just like naniwa who went 23-2 by 4-gating every opponent.
This format may be good for FPS games, but not RTS. Anyway, the competition will definitely not become healthier with this kind of format. Let's be honest, you can't run a proper sc2 tournament if it takes place in the span of 3 days.
There's a reason why GOMTV tries to mimic BW tournament formats, that's because their the BEST format when it comes to competitive RTS. Don't blame GomTV for their organization, blame the players for their lack of dedication. Agreed, between the lack of player dedication and not having enough faith in themselves (skill?) is what i blame for them not showing up. If they thought they could do well it would be totally worth going obviously, if they get top 4 or even 8 its more than they are going to make from winning any other tournament going on right now save from NASL in a few months wich top koreans are participating in anyways. GSL is by far the best tournament out there right now, and no tournament is going to even come close to their production value for a long time to come. These players that declined invitations will go to MLG and dreamhack and likely not place well and realise they missed out on a solid opportunity. At least for MLG the players who were invited to the super tournament who declined except maybe TT1 all will be in the open bracket of the tournament meaning the chances of them winning are exceptionally lower than even the super tournament, add to the fact that koreans will also be participating at MLG (the same ones in the super tournament) and suddenly they are choosing MLG with a 20th of the prize pool for less of a chance to win then the super tournament. Doesnt make much sense to me, and if your on a half decent team shouldnt they be paying for your air fare anyways, especially considering how much exposure the team will get by participating in the super tournament (and their sponsors of course) so the burden shouldnt even be on the player.
Your first paragraph is completely misunderstanding the entire point. Foreigners don't go because they're not dedicated - it's because the risk/reward trade-off is NOT in their favor at all. You go, and even if you're damn good, you have so many things going against you and you are risking so much that it just isn't worth it for the small chance at being successful enough to sustain yourself in the Korean scene.
I really don't know to respond to all the stuff you wrote, you didn't address a single argument of mine, but you win anway.
The way they go, GSL won't last another year though.. it's pretty much blizzard carrying the water right now, but once the foreign pro scene gets bigger than korea by a significant margin -- and trust me, it will -- korea won't seem as important to blizzard anymore.
The foreign SC2 scene is definitely more active than the Korean one, but the overall e-sports market in Korea still overshadows the rest of the world. That's why Blizzard is pushing to make SC2 a success there.
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Round 2:
July v Boxer
FD v MKP
Nestea v Bomber
o_O
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illsick
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am i reading it right? alicia vs MC?
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On May 18 2011 10:59 illsick wrote:
am i reading it right? alicia vs MC?
yup TT
atleast jinro got a pretty nice draw
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Oh my GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
MC VS ALICIA?!?!?!?
The matchups that could be are AMAZING
Nestea vs Bomber
Nada vs Jinro
HuK vs LosirA
July vs Boxer
MKP vs FD
MMA vs MVP
Mc and MVP on opposite sides of bracket... hoping for a MC MVP finals
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Such a list of great players, this is going to make for some awesome sc2 viewing.
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MVP has a nice and easy bracket, IMO
Group B is hella stacked.
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On May 18 2011 11:23 zyzq wrote:
MVP has a nice and easy bracket, IMO
Group B is hella stacked.
You don't remember MMA vs MVP GSTL do you lol
I really want MMA to pull it out and beat MVP again. Then again, MVP has probably improved.
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On May 18 2011 11:25 SpecFire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 11:23 zyzq wrote:
MVP has a nice and easy bracket, IMO
Group B is hella stacked.
You don't remember MMA vs MVP GSTL do you lol I really want MMA to pull it out and beat MVP again. Then again, MVP has probably improved.
MMA has no chance vs MVP in a BoX, IMO
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On May 18 2011 11:25 SpecFire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 11:23 zyzq wrote:
MVP has a nice and easy bracket, IMO
Group B is hella stacked.
You don't remember MMA vs MVP GSTL do you lol I really want MMA to pull it out and beat MVP again. Then again, MVP has probably improved.
After MMA crumbled in the up and downs I guarantee you he has done the more improving lol.
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Wow, so few Protoss. It's so funny that Protoss is supposedly the OP race, when MC is the only notable protoss here. anypro, hongun and san are all good, but they aren't amazing at all.
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Really disappointed in the lack of foreigners.
I hope Korea gets more big tournaments to entice them to come. I can't blame them for not wanting to enter. The opportunities are clearly not there. But as a spectator it's just depressing as hell seeing the better tournament not able to draw the big foreign names.
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MC vs Alicia in the first round! Huk gets PvP again lol. After that he has to take on the winner of Losira and Polt "MC-slayer" prime. But hey, no one gave him a chance to make it out of the MKP/MMA group either and look what happened there. Genius vs Boxer first round T_T. Jinro with a good draw. Line in the first round (don't remember him at all) followed by either kyrix or vanvanth. After that he'll probably either face Nada (manageable) or have his chance for revenge against CoCa.
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On May 17 2011 23:20 Phaded wrote:
Can the image get rehosted somewhere? the pgr21.com link is freaking out chrome for malware.
just use IE, it lets you go there without any problems 
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imo only a few matchups seem EXTREMELY interesting, most are kinda meh.
Alicia/MC and HuK/San seem like two of the most interesting, And sure enough theyre both pvp. I suppose Polt/Losira has a chance of being good
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GOM is not at fault for foreigners not participating. Foreigners chose not to participate and its their loss. Whatever the consequence, its the SUPER tournament for a reason. Conflicting schedules and participating in more individual events are pretty shallow reasons for a possible career-changing tournament this early in SC2. The grand champion will undoubtedly be the best SC2 player.
mvp vs Nestea finals. IM hwaiting.
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