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I don't know why everyone draws such poor conclusions. Commiting to living in a place for a month to see if you have a shot...and lets be honest even amongst the Koreans..everyone has a shot. This game certainly lacks clear winners enough of the times, you can hype players all you want, but "best player in the world" #31094 still ends up dropping games.
Its not just money, its logistics. I can attend several events as well as get back home to relax, practice, or whatever...or I can be stuck in Korea for a month. Frankly, the way GOM sets things up works great domestically for people in Korea, its not a frantic, rushed process. Its longer, more drawn out and its neat, but the way the tournaments have been developing especially during the busy season with all sorts of events happening..its just silly trying to draw other participants in.
There are always international events like WCG, I know GOMtv wants to expand, but they largely need to focus on Korea since its still not more popular than BW there and the west needs to focus on the west and leave "global" events up to people like WCG. Its more practical and its more effective. I'm not saying the league exchange program is a bad idea either, I just simply am implying not to get one's hopes up too high that people from abroad will always wanna play in your tournament.
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On May 18 2011 00:36 Swizzae wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 00:26 Reasonable wrote:
Dimaga and WhiteRa declined? Cheap bastards. What about representing the motherland? i think they have convincable reasons not being 'able' to attend
Convincing reason is that they are being cheap. But there is great fame and glory even in participating in Supertournament, more than they can achieve participating in all other events combined. Obviously they won't profit much, but they would considerably expand the fan base and increase their advertising value
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Seems like the foreigners feel they are not the same level as the koreans even though the koreans complimented them saying they are on the same level. $90,000 for the winner! It cost just as much to fly to NA for MLG. However many tournaments they miss within that month won't equal to winning this super tournament.
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On May 18 2011 02:27 illsick wrote:
Seems like the foreigners feel they are not the same level as the koreans even though the koreans complimented them saying they are on the same level. $90,000 for the winner! It cost just as much to fly to NA for MLG. However many tournaments they miss within that month won't equal to winning this super tournament.
Nvm, I misread. No foreigner though has shown yet that they can take out the cream of the crop of Koreans. It would be a waste of money
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On May 18 2011 02:08 aDd3z wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 02:01 coolcor wrote:
So the MLG/GOM exchange is probably doomed since this shows nobody is ever going to go over to Korea for a month. actually i dont care for foreigners in korea but its nice that there will be koreans at mlg hope they wont stop the exchange program if no one is going to korea  btw: TheBest and legalmind? omg they wont win a sigle match
The GSL/MLG-exchange includes housing and travel expenses so I think it will be more popular.
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Sad about foreigners as well . I thought MLG and GSL coordinated to not have any overlap?
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On May 18 2011 02:38 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 02:27 illsick wrote:
Seems like the foreigners feel they are not the same level as the koreans even though the koreans complimented them saying they are on the same level. $90,000 for the winner! It cost just as much to fly to NA for MLG. However many tournaments they miss within that month won't equal to winning this super tournament. Nvm, I misread. No foreigner though has shown yet that they can take out the cream of the crop of Koreans. It would be a waste of money
I disagree for two reasons. First, even if you ignor the first round knockouts of three GSL champions, Thorzain took down a red hot MC in an epic BO5 in the TSL.
Secondly there's only maybe ten Koreans that I'd say are cream of the crop, chances are you won't be against them in the first round and therefore it probably would be worth it.
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There is a three day Gap for MLG, but to attand both you need a day or so to travel. And that dosen't take any time in acount for jetglag etc. So it's all far form convinient to attend both if you makke it to the Ro32 i GSST
I imagine the 4 koreans that attend MLG willl have their Ro32 Matches on the first or last day to give them an extra day for travel to and form MLG. If they make it to Ro32 of course.
Then the Finals are during Dreamhack, but that ofcourse only conflicts for teh two finalists, and if you make it to the finals I'd say that's worth it over dreamhack  But something to keep in mind for the Koreans to attend Dreamhack. We might miss two of them with half a weeks notice....
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On May 18 2011 02:39 Gigaudas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 02:08 aDd3z wrote:On May 18 2011 02:01 coolcor wrote:
So the MLG/GOM exchange is probably doomed since this shows nobody is ever going to go over to Korea for a month. actually i dont care for foreigners in korea but its nice that there will be koreans at mlg hope they wont stop the exchange program if no one is going to korea btw: TheBest and legalmind? omg they wont win a sigle match The GSL/MLG-exchange includes housing and travel expenses so I think it will be more popular.
But people aren't talking about how expensive it would be to go to Korea for the reason foreigners are not going. They are talking about all the other tournaments they will miss and saying it is better to play in those. It is they same reason Idra left and everyone on SOTG said they would refuse a code A or S spot with expenses paid and thought not many others would accept either.
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On May 18 2011 00:24 nYaLa wrote:
I can understand why foreigners decline.
Outside Korea more tournaments,more money etc.
They could have attended MLG and the super tournament i dont really understand why they declined seems kind of wierd the chance at winning 100k, (bigger than any other tournament they have attended and probably ever will) and as long as they dont get knocked out in the round of 64 they would get at least 2000. The koreans are gonna be at MLG too id say that they have just as good of a chance to win the super tournament as MLG, especially because pretty much none of the players invited are in the championship bracket at MLG most will have to go through the open brackets. As well if yoou make it to the round of 16 you get almost as much as if you win MLG.
Seems pretty wierd to me that they would decline a tournament with such a huge prize pool likely the biggest most prestigious tournament they will ever be invited to compete in.
Id like to hear a response on their reasons if any of them are around it would be interesting to hear why they declined. Im especially suprised about dimaga and sen they have the skill to get far in the tournament. I dont get it =( really dissapointing, also russia/ukraine isnt nearly as far to travel as NA so i think the plane tickets would be considerably cheaper for dimaga white ra, and obviously sen fromm taiwan but he has school someone said.
I dont get all this negativity towards Korea from foreigners recently, they still have the largest most prestigious starcraft 2 tournament in the world with the biggest prize pool. Especially for the super tournament why would you give up the opportunity to play in a 64 player tournament for 100k unless you really think your skill is alot lower than the koreans and you wont get far. if thats the case alot of these pro's arent exactly putting their money where there mouth is as alot of them have stated that korea and foreigners are alot closer than they previously thought. I mean youd have to win 20 regular season MLG's to get as much money as the super tournament is giving out, and whats more likely , for you to win 20 mlg's or one super tournament with 64 players wich is far less players than korea has, as well as the fact that koreans will now be participating in MLG. I probably understand morrow as he is just getting settled in his new pro gaming house, but for TT1 sen dimaga and moonglade i dont really see why.
Has moonglade left korea? i was under the impression he was still there.
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i dont understand how jinro and huk get into gsl let alone code s. their matches are pretty much a complete joke and an easy walkover for the competition. i wish we had some real foreign competitors in korea.
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On May 18 2011 03:16 stratmatt wrote:
i dont understand how jinro and huk get into gsl let alone code s. their matches are pretty much a complete joke and an easy walkover for the competition. i wish we had some real foreign competitors in korea.
I dunno about that did you see huk in the up and down matches, he did really well against MMA who has beaten MC MVP July before hes no slouch thats for sure.
And although jinro has been slumping recently, hes in code a now and hopefully he will beable to show skills. Hes had 2 top 4's in gsl that is nothing to scoff at
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GSL is failing pretty hard at being 'global'.. heck it's actually failing hard hyping SC2 with koreans too.. it seems this year will be the end of big money for korean players.
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On May 18 2011 03:16 stratmatt wrote:
i dont understand how jinro and huk get into gsl let alone code s. their matches are pretty much a complete joke and an easy walkover for the competition. i wish we had some real foreign competitors in korea.
not many people thought huk would stay in code s. the whole point of being in korea is to compete and hence learn from the best, which is what they are doing in code a/s and in tournaments like this.
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On May 18 2011 02:27 illsick wrote:
Seems like the foreigners feel they are not the same level as the koreans even though the koreans complimented them saying they are on the same level. $90,000 for the winner! It cost just as much to fly to NA for MLG. However many tournaments they miss within that month won't equal to winning this super tournament.
90k is more than they will probably make from tournament winning in over a year let alone 2-3 weeks. even if they won MLG dreamhack and NASL (they could attend MLG and NASL and go to this tournament FYI, there will be koreans doing that) they still wouldnt make as much as winning the super tournament.
I dont understand why they arent going =(
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I really can't say I am surprised by how many Protoss there are. When I think of who the top Korean Protoss are... I really can't think of anyone other than MC and San... maybe AnyPro and Alicia. I wouldn't say Inca is up there... HongUn, Tester and Genius haven't been having results either. For how "overpowered" protoss is always said to be, they sure don't have too many people dominating with them. If you want to debate that then PM me... I'm really not looking to derail the thread, but I just wanted to say my opinion of the race distribution.
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Legalmind?!
Man. Otherwise not bad.
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On May 18 2011 00:49 doihy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 00:45 namedplayer wrote:
I think Naniwa would compete if only he got GSL points. He has decent chance to win this tournament imo. Recently he got beaten in the nasl by st squirtle (protoss player not even code a) , wouldn't be too confident of naniwa if i were you.
It's a PvP duh...
Edit: If this tournament lasted three days like MLG I think many foreign players would go. A month is more like a year in the tournament scene..
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On May 18 2011 03:30 Draconicfire wrote:
Legalmind?!
Man. Otherwise not bad.
Butterfly?!
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On May 18 2011 03:23 s4life wrote:
GSL is failing pretty hard at being 'global'.. heck it's actually failing hard hyping SC2 with koreans too.. it seems this year will be the end of big money for korean players.
I don't think this is the GSL's fail.
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