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Tranqje
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium89 Posts
May 14 2011 21:11 GMT
#961
On May 15 2011 05:56 DarkRise wrote:
wonder if Idra will come back? Will he dominate Code A?


He left code S to play in the western scene, so no. He also said he wouldn't on SOTG.
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JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
May 14 2011 22:01 GMT
#962
Incontrol neglected a lot of actual facts. Top seed gets placed into code S. All he talked about was how no one would want to go to code A. You get all expenses paid trip for an entire month. Again Incontrol brushes it off saying yeah they give you housing but the rest you are on your own. No it's not like that. In fact if you were ever interested in going to Korea, you can basically think of it as vacation for a month + starcraft. Of course if you have specific commitments like school or family this will be difficult.

It seems a lot of the argument on SOTG degenerated into a Korean vs Foreigner advantage discussion where the metric used was based on the amount of money obtainable in x period of time. Much of this was focused on Code A and how there's hardly and money in that pool. While that may be true, code S is extremely rewarding. In fact you get $1400 just for getting into ro32 which is basically just winning 2 games. This is equivalent to 4th place prize money at MLG. By getting into the semifinals you get $4800 which almost matches the 1st place prize money of MLG at $5000. If you're really confident/good you even have a shot at 1st place of $46 000 which is like getting 1st place MLG 9 times.

Basically if we consider an aggregate sum of the potential rewards for code A and code S and compare it to MLG assuming equal skill levels among all players, I think it should come out to be fairly even. Although I don't have any math to back this up, you can think of it as Code S >> MLG > Code A but u only get 1/4 spot for code S.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 14 2011 22:56 GMT
#963
On May 15 2011 07:01 JoeSchmoe wrote:
Incontrol neglected a lot of actual facts. Top seed gets placed into code S. All he talked about was how no one would want to go to code A. You get all expenses paid trip for an entire month. Again Incontrol brushes it off saying yeah they give you housing but the rest you are on your own. No it's not like that. In fact if you were ever interested in going to Korea, you can basically think of it as vacation for a month + starcraft. Of course if you have specific commitments like school or family this will be difficult.

It seems a lot of the argument on SOTG degenerated into a Korean vs Foreigner advantage discussion where the metric used was based on the amount of money obtainable in x period of time. Much of this was focused on Code A and how there's hardly and money in that pool. While that may be true, code S is extremely rewarding. In fact you get $1400 just for getting into ro32 which is basically just winning 2 games. This is equivalent to 4th place prize money at MLG. By getting into the semifinals you get $4800 which almost matches the 1st place prize money of MLG at $5000. If you're really confident/good you even have a shot at 1st place of $46 000 which is like getting 1st place MLG 9 times.

Basically if we consider an aggregate sum of the potential rewards for code A and code S and compare it to MLG assuming equal skill levels among all players, I think it should come out to be fairly even. Although I don't have any math to back this up, you can think of it as Code S >> MLG > Code A but u only get 1/4 spot for code S.


Well I really think its really a player by player situation. For some players going to Korea for a month and playing in Code A would be worth it, but for others, even playing in Code S won't be worth it. Yes, GOM pays for everything (which is great, no doubt about that), but there is a huge opportunity cost. A lot of players in the foreign scene play in a ton of tournaments and team leagues. Being in Korea really hampers that. Then guys like iNcontroL and Idra cast and have shows they do. Being in Korea hampers that. Then a lot of pro's coach and make good money off that and being in Korea hampers that too. Not to mention they are leaving everything in their personal lives for a whole month, such as Tyler would need to leave his wife.

Now if GSL would have their super tournament (and yes I know they are qualifying for the normal GSL season, just making a suggestion) be like a weekend or week long type tournament where the MLG qualifiers could come over and participate in, then it would be a much more fair exchange and much more attractive to foreign players.
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illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 23:12:43
May 14 2011 23:10 GMT
#964
They are expanding the championship bracket to accommodate the koreans which is a good thing. Imagine if they didn't and they put the koreans in the open bracket and left the championship bracket the way it is. Most likely there won't be any new people (foreigners) making it out of that open bracket with the koreans there. Maybe the people in the open bracket feel like they can beat some of the top 16 players from last event, and if the koreans were placed in open bracket then they might not be able to showcase that.

I feel it was an equal trade and that it may be even a little more beneficial for the foreigners. Some may pass on the opportunity, that's fine, but some will take it as a once in life time opportunity. I can tell you that the highest placed foreigner gets the best deal of all. You know how many phases, qualifiers, and time that person skipped to be placed into code S? As for the koreans being placed in championship bracket, they essentially only skipped the open bracket which they should easily be able to make out of it (1-2 day worth of time).

As for the foreigners placed in code A after the MLG, the experience is the most important. Your expenses are being paid for to live in Korea and play with the best and be on camera. You will get so much exposure, especially when GSL is being broad-casted in China soon. Really the prize from a normal MLG isn't all that, it's more for the competition and setting up for the big MLG tournament. Just like how code A gives little reward but sets up for being in code S tournament.

MLG is getting the slightly better end of this deal I think because they lost a lot of creditability from MLG Dallas, Their event has now sparked more interest and now will get more viewers back, like me

If the top foreigners pass the deal to go to Korea then it will be great for a more eager player behind them to make use of the opportunity; the experience and the practice. If the top foreign placers that pass say it's not fair, you have to remember that the top placers in GSL also didn't get rewarded; it's bomber, Losira, moon, and mma who are far from the top placers of GSL.

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xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 23:26:12
May 14 2011 23:24 GMT
#965
I'm a little confused at what foreigners in Korea would be missing out on.

NASL? IPL? Those are both played online, so what's the problem there? Lag? Staying up late in the morning to fit the schedule? The same thing Koreans have been dealing with (without complaining I might add) this whole time?
MLG? GSL is making schedule changes for all the MLG's to allow people to compete in both.
Dreamhack? Jinro, Huk, MC and other Koreans easily are able to go, so what's preventing the foreigners in Korea from going?

So what are foreigners exactly missing out on by going to Korea? Aside from family or other obligations I really don't see why people wouldn't be jumping at the idea like Naniwa is.
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Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
May 14 2011 23:58 GMT
#966
Would be awesome if MLG could put up more than 1 SC2 stream so we could watch more than one game at a time. With the amount of casters they have in attendance, I think it could be doable.

Won't happen... but it would be awesomeeeeee!
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
May 15 2011 00:12 GMT
#967
This is huge news. I think it's really important to have a healthy amount of interaction between all the regions. Ultimately it will make the game more competitive and help it develop and mature faster, which means better games for the viewers. Huge props to MLG and GSL for making this happen, I'm really impressed.

As for the foreigners vs. Koreans thing, I don't know -- there are some scary-good Korean players, but there are some damn good foreigners too, and I don't think there's any good reason why you shouldn't have to compete against the best to win tournaments. If you think you can't beat them, then you just have to train harder.
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LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
May 15 2011 00:20 GMT
#968
Things just keep getting better and better for SC2
The spice must flow
raymo39
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia6 Posts
May 15 2011 01:59 GMT
#969
This is such a brilliant idea!
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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
May 15 2011 02:06 GMT
#970
Okay, this is awesome. Win MLG, get Code S? I think that this adds credence to MLG and give the players reason to fight harder. I dig it and I cannot wait.
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br3ak.g0d
Profile Joined September 2010
43 Posts
May 15 2011 02:08 GMT
#971
anyone else hoping for MMA vs Bomber rematch at the Columbus finals?
itmeJP
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 02:11:12
May 15 2011 02:10 GMT
#972
edit sry
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hooktits
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 02:11:10
May 15 2011 02:10 GMT
#973
holy cow!! this is super cool i have to goto mlg columbus now!! it is a must! I hope that losira goes(hope something doesn't cause him to cancel...) ^_^ losira fighting!
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L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 15 2011 04:42 GMT
#974
On May 15 2011 06:11 Tranqje wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 05:56 DarkRise wrote:
wonder if Idra will come back? Will he dominate Code A?


He left code S to play in the western scene, so no. He also said he wouldn't on SOTG.

yeah EG was planning on moving a whole team to Korea, they hired Tasteless to help out with the transition. But with the announcement of big money foreign tournaments, they cancelled their move indefinitely. It inst off the table for in the future if Korea explodes afaik
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Metaphysic
Profile Joined September 2010
63 Posts
May 15 2011 12:09 GMT
#975
I'm a bit unclear. If the winner of MLG gets seeded into code S, how are they determining who they're kicking out of code S to make room?
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 12:19:31
May 15 2011 12:16 GMT
#976
On May 15 2011 08:24 xBillehx wrote:
I'm a little confused at what foreigners in Korea would be missing out on.

NASL? IPL? Those are both played online, so what's the problem there? Lag? Staying up late in the morning to fit the schedule? The same thing Koreans have been dealing with (without complaining I might add) this whole time?
MLG? GSL is making schedule changes for all the MLG's to allow people to compete in both.
Dreamhack? Jinro, Huk, MC and other Koreans easily are able to go, so what's preventing the foreigners in Korea from going?

So what are foreigners exactly missing out on by going to Korea? Aside from family or other obligations I really don't see why people wouldn't be jumping at the idea like Naniwa is.

My guess would be the smaller tournaments (the Go4SC2s and ZOTAC cups and stuff).. but then I realized players like Idra hardly ever play those competitions anyway.

I think the biggest issue is lag I guess. Perhaps also because it's cheaper to fly from US to Europe (and vice versa) than from Korea to Europe/US.

You really do have a point though, never really thought about it that way.

On May 15 2011 21:09 Metaphysic wrote:
I'm a bit unclear. If the winner of MLG gets seeded into code S, how are they determining who they're kicking out of code S to make room?

Mr. Chae, the Korean caster and one of the guys in charge of the GSL has said they're changing the format a little to accommodate the extra player and announcing it on the 19th of May (during/after the GSTL Finals)
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namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
May 15 2011 12:36 GMT
#977
I don't understand, too.

My point is... if you are confident with your skill, why not try GSL? of course there are bunch of small competitions in US,EU. but look at the Money ranking.

http://ehcg.djgamblore.com/

#1 - #8 are all koreans who plays on GSL and they earned so much money than foreigners.

srsly if they are good enough there's no reason to refuse.
You know what I'm talking about
Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
May 15 2011 12:40 GMT
#978
WoW, Huge News for eSport and SC2, glad this 2 amazing tournaments gonna cooperate in such nice ways
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Snerren
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden58 Posts
May 15 2011 13:26 GMT
#979
This is great stuff. This will help the growth of SC2 and esports around the world and is definetly something that the scene needs!

Big props to GSL and MLG for working this out. now ESL and DreamHack needs to follow suit and we can truly have a international tournament format looking like the ATP tour of tennis were every tournamnet counts and the best players will be there to represent.
I'll take you all on!
Bergys
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden337 Posts
May 15 2011 14:11 GMT
#980
This is great. It may be true that the koreans are given a better opportunity at making cash from this, but code A/code S is far more prestigeful then MLG ever will be. Automatically qualifying for code A is a huge timesaver. I don't think that a top korean would find the open bracket particulary challenging anyway. If Naniwa can go 28-2 or whatever through the open bracket/tournament I'm sure the top koreans can do it aswell.
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