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Hello,
I'm a giant fan and terrible player of the amazing SC2. In a 2v2 with a buddy of mine the other day we were plodding along, having a decent game - considering my skill level. We finally fend off the early aggression, I was setting up a 2nd base, had a good number of immortals, zealots and stalkers (with a few sentries) against their composition of mostly zerglings, roaches and bio (plus mutas shortly later). I'm still on 3 gate with an obs or two and I'm now confident we can hold and more aggression our opponents decide to send our way. Now, all of a sudden *NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED* shakes me into super alert WTF mode and I take a strong look at our army thinking that's the most likely target: 1) I don't see a red dot in our army. and 2) I see a ghost die at the front and think that may have been it. (this might have been done on purpose in hindsight, not sure). Nevertheless, a short time later the Nuke comes down right in the middle of our combined army, right where I was looking the whole time. It was messy. We didn't gg. They probably high-five'd. I was pretty shocked and pretty pissed off at the time because I had been looking right where the nuke ended up coming down. I also happened to be streaming at the time.
Stream Highlight VOD (35 Seconds) of The Catastrophe: http://www.justin.tv/etherwar/b/285651021
Replay Link: http://replayfu.com/download/LgMZgv
So I loaded up the replay the next day, and figured out that the reason I couldn't see the nuke dot was because I have the unit health/status bars "Always On", and a Stallker's Health/Shield indicator was responsible for making the red nuke dot wholly invisible. However, you could actually see the red dot if you scrolled the dot to the very top or bottom edge of the viewport.
My question is: should we be able to see the red dots on top of the health bars, or is this "working as intended"? I tested and know that the red dot is visible in the replay if I press ALT (removing the status bars), so I know this is possible. I'm just wondering if anyone else has run into this? I certainly can find nothing on the matter through TL.net or Google searches.
I also have 3 pics from the replay which illustrate what I'm talking about:
+ Show Spoiler +1) Red dot invisible under status bar when viewport centered vertically ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HQhK5.jpg) Nuke view 12) Red dot visible when dot at bottom of viewport ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Sjdje.jpg) Nuke view 23) Red dot visible when dot at top of viewport ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aIq6u.jpg) Nuke view 3
Common criticisms from the thread
1) "You're bad..."
I know, working on it...
2) "You should have moved your army and checked both mineral lines"
Good point. But, this post is about the red nuke dot hiding behind health/status bars. While I haven't tested it, theoretically you could hide the dot behind a building status bar and your opponent would have a very difficult time dealing with it if they didn't turn off status bars or hit ALT.
So, TL... here's the obligatory poll for subjects like these:
Poll: Should nuke red dot show up in front of unit health/shield bar?Yes, it should show up on top. (93) 55% No, get some skill and press ALT if you have status bars set to always (77) 45% 170 total votes Your vote: Should nuke red dot show up in front of unit health/shield bar? (Vote): Yes, it should show up on top.
(Vote): No, get some skill and press ALT if you have status bars set to always
Semi-Related Threads found when searching
+ Show Spoiler +Nuke Dot Behind Things: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126171The images that were in this thread are down, but it seems to be an issue of the dot not showing near a building. Possibly a bug that was fixed during the beta? BUG: Ultra Shaders, Makes Nukes Hard to Find.: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141294This was about a red dot not showing up on creep on ultra shaders (not sure if it has been fixed since but it from last year so I hope so... However, I was on all Ultra except for DoF, so I tested this in the replay... changing from ultra to high as was suggested in the thread didn't do anything, the dot still was hidden by the status bar.
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you should have moved your army regardles.
Also the red dot is actually showing infront of Healthbar for me...
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No, get some skill, dot is big enough to notice it when needed (I'm not terran player)
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just ALWAYS move army and then look at every mineral line when you hear a nuke launch, no big deal
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I think the nuke is fine just as it is.
What you described was a single phenomenon since you didn't know any better,
there doesn't seem to be a problem with nukes in general.
If you really want to make the nuke easier to find, and draw a line at how easy it should be to find,
you'll start countless debates with no end in sight,
ranging from your problem, over the shade/width of the dot,
to the fact that the dot is hard to spot over certain textures.
So my opinion is to just keep the lid closed on this topic,
until there really is something off with the nuke.
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can't you just press (alt it is?) to remove the bars for a second and check it out?
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Forget switching to alt, all you have to do is budge your army a little bit
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Just press space and the camera will move to the last alert( in this case the nuke position) -_-. Seriously, you ppl just want everything given to you don't you? Maybe they should make the dot larger too with a big NUKE text above it so you can see it ,cuz you just can't tap tab -_-.
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This is to encourage people to nuke more often. They should leave it.
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On May 12 2011 20:02 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
Just press space and the camera will move to the last alert( in this case the nuke position) -_-. Seriously, you ppl just want everything given to you don't you? Maybe they should make the dot larger too with a big NUKE text above it so you can see it ,cuz you just can't tap tab -_-.
I'm hoping this was sarcasm and I'm too tired to notice it but pressing space is not going to show you where the nuke is. Haven't you noticed that it says "nuclear launch detected" for every player in a game? Do you think it's going to show everyone in a FFA for example where the guys nuke is?
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We should also have the nuke dot appear above flying buildings and units!
Oh, and we should have an outline of units/buildings hidden under flying stuff too!
Oh, and we should turn off the fog of war, that way, it's all about skill, not about coin flips like unscouted proxies or cannons being slipped into your backside!
All silliness aside, if it promotes nuke gameplay, I think it should stay in.
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Well, not that i get nuked alot, but they'll normally target either your workers or in some cases your army. Just move your army and check the worker lines and you're good in most cases. Normally It's not very hard to guess where the nuke is, in my opinion.
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On May 12 2011 20:06 NeXiLe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 20:02 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
Just press space and the camera will move to the last alert( in this case the nuke position) -_-. Seriously, you ppl just want everything given to you don't you? Maybe they should make the dot larger too with a big NUKE text above it so you can see it ,cuz you just can't tap tab -_-. I'm hoping this was sarcasm and I'm too tired to notice it but pressing space is not going to show you where the nuke is. Haven't you noticed that it says "nuclear launch detected" for every player in a game? Do you think it's going to show everyone in a FFA for example where the guys nuke is?
hes trying to bait non-romanian romanians
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if he intentionally knew your stalkers hp bar would cover the dot then tbh that is pretty cool.
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I see this more as an element of skill than a bug, just press tab or dont have hp bars visible all the time(yeah right :D). Anyways having the dot visible on top of the bars would make it stick out like a sore thumb which would be even worse. So working as intended imho.
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They should just show the same big animation that the player using the nuke gets....
nah, just kidding. While it is annoying to lose your army to a nuke - which happens to almost anyone once in a while - i don't think the bars hiding the dot are critical. Just always move or spread your army when you hear the nuke, you will notice the dot usually immedatly.
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You didn't even look around for it. You didn't check your mineral line and you didn't move your army to show it. It's meant to be hidden, the thing is easy enough to dodge as it is, no reason to make it easier.
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Well, you could have that observer in your army in front of your ramp instead of floating on top of your own units to scout such shenanigans, or you could just move your army to be on the safe side.
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On May 12 2011 20:06 NeXiLe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 20:02 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
Just press space and the camera will move to the last alert( in this case the nuke position) -_-. Seriously, you ppl just want everything given to you don't you? Maybe they should make the dot larger too with a big NUKE text above it so you can see it ,cuz you just can't tap tab -_-. I'm hoping this was sarcasm and I'm too tired to notice it but pressing space is not going to show you where the nuke is. Haven't you noticed that it says "nuclear launch detected" for every player in a game? Do you think it's going to show everyone in a FFA for example where the guys nuke is?
The reason the spacebar method seems to work is because people don't set the ghost to hold fire, then the ghost reaches it's destination, fires a shot, then launches the nuke. Since an attack happened, an alert is issued to the other player, and can press space to go to the attack which is where the ghost is.
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at the left side of the screen there are alerts like "scv built" or "building X finished" and also "nuclear launch detected" and if you click on that alert your screen is centered at the nuke spot. it's just like the space bar method, only a little bit better, because space bar often centers your screen on a unit built or something else that happened in between the nuke starting and pressing space bar.
it's there in the VOD too, a yellow alert: "calldown detected: tac nuke strike"
just click on that
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