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Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
May 10 2011 05:43 GMT
#61
On May 10 2011 14:28 probablywrong wrote:
couldn't they have counted it after all the up and downs were finished? wouldn't that have mathematically allowed IM in?

Well, I guess there's a disadvantage of being too top heavy. Should add more motivation for players to qualify

They counted at the start of the regular GSL season for both other, wouldn't be fair to switch it up this time just to allow IM in.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
May 10 2011 05:43 GMT
#62
Wow, looks like Slayers has an easy ride lol. Sucks IM isn't in =( maybe it's time IM expands their lineup
Metaphysic
Profile Joined September 2010
63 Posts
May 10 2011 05:44 GMT
#63
I don't understand why they don't seed the bracket by points or past team results.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4405 Posts
May 10 2011 05:45 GMT
#64
IM isn't even really that top heavy. Yongwa and Seed are both amazing. Yongwa basically invented (or at least was the first major one to use it) the turtley protoss style that was so dominant for like 2 months straight.
Teim
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia373 Posts
May 10 2011 05:45 GMT
#65
It's good to see GOM isn't bending the rules to get one team in. IM would've known for a long time that they need to get a greater presence in code A at least to be able to qualify so it's not like they didn't know this would happen. As a result we get to see an up and comming team in MVP, just like SlayerS were a couple of seasons ago.

With that said though, I would've thought getting 1st or 2nd place would at least give that team some extra points, if not garauntee them a place in the next GTSL.

Alternatively, I hope we can maybe see the bracket get expanded to 10 or 12 teams because I'm sure most of us would like to see IM playing.
A duck is a duck!
Hakairyu
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore53 Posts
May 10 2011 05:46 GMT
#66
On May 10 2011 14:16 trikshun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 14:14 BuffaloSoljah wrote:
honastly if they tallied up the totals AFTER the up and down matches this would not have been a problem as MVP would most likely been in code S but excluding IM is not goms fault but MVPs fault for losing three series inna row and falling to code A he was the difference maker in the last GSTL that gave them their spot and in this one in losing their spot

If thats the case then WAIT!. And didn't Keen get counted as a code S player in the points?


Genius is in MVP.
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
May 10 2011 05:47 GMT
#67
lol best team isn't even in the tournament = joke. This will be the first GSL event ever that I don't purchase Obviously the thing is a sham and they will have to review their methodology for future team leagues.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 10 2011 05:47 GMT
#68
I'm sad that IM isn't in, but it's a good move by GOM. Either way they would do it, people would dislike them. If they kicked fOu out some would be mad and obviously others are mad that IM isn't in. That would be so unfair to poor fOu to get kicked out of the team league - that's like all they have left.
Mairu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States222 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 05:48:35
May 10 2011 05:48 GMT
#69
It sucks that the team that made it to the finals two times and won one time doesn't get to participate this season

Younghwa & Seed better get into Code A next season :|
icouldcareless
Profile Joined November 2010
United States96 Posts
May 10 2011 05:49 GMT
#70
Weird. I thought for the previous GSTL they gave bonus points to the two finalists for qualification and calculated points after the up and down matches.

If they really wanted to have 10 teams they could have just added an additional day where the lower ranked teams have to have a match to get spots in the 8 man bracket.

SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
May 10 2011 05:51 GMT
#71
Sad that I'm won't be in on this team league considering they have three of my most favorite players, but what can you do, the other players on the team didn't deliver and slayers / mvp players beat them in the code a quals.

Gogo slayers get back to back wins!
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sickle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand656 Posts
May 10 2011 05:52 GMT
#72
Team MVP will win this.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 05:56:41
May 10 2011 05:53 GMT
#73
Wow the best SC2 team is not playing -___- unbelievable.

It is not a good move by GOM:
- IM is widely accepted as the best team.
- IM has heaps of star power which is good for viewership (IMNestea, IMMVP, IMLosira).
- IM players have the most achievements (2 GSL code S championships (possibly 3), 1 GSL WC winner, 2 code A finalists).
- IM has made the grand final of all previous GSTL seasons.

Really really dumb move.
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Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
May 10 2011 05:53 GMT
#74
On May 10 2011 14:44 Metaphysic wrote:
I don't understand why they don't seed the bracket by points or past team results.

If MVP or Prime had swapped places with Zenex it would have been by past team results. The only teams currently in the league that have made it past RO8 are SlayerS, TSL, Zenex and StarTale.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Gijian
Profile Joined February 2011
United States273 Posts
May 10 2011 05:54 GMT
#75
Man GOM, you really need to make a rule that previous winner and finalist are guarantee a spot for next team league. This is ridiculous that IM is not a participant. Or just make it out of 16 teams instead of 8. I think there would be international team that will be willing to participate if given a chance to. No MVP, no Nestea, no Losira...seriously.
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
May 10 2011 05:54 GMT
#76
I think it is a good move by GOM, it incentivizes the teams to be developing as much talent as possible, not just focusing on a couple stars. Much better for the growth of the league's player base over the long term and gives upstart teams a chance.

The seeding is weird though.
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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
May 10 2011 05:57 GMT
#77
Well they're not in because they didn't deserve to be.

It's a team league, not a "lets hope Nestea/Losira/MVP can all-kill for us league". They're not amongst the top-performing teams in the GSL, so they were excluded.

Rules are rules, man. IM is my favourite team, but I totally understand.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
May 10 2011 05:57 GMT
#78
What I don't understand is, if you're going to choose which teams participate based on point ranking (which is in turn dependent on # of Code S and # of Code A players) then why not seed based on your ranking?

You're basically saying that IM is not "good" or "deep" enough to join because they are 9th in points - which is a conclusion I am perfectly fine in accepting despite their 1st and 2nd place finishes in the last two GSTLs, but on the same footing that means oGs (rank 1) should be playing fOu (rank 8) instead of playing vs StarTale (rank 4).

So, what we have is,
SlayerS (#5) vs ZENEX (#7)
TSL (#2) vs fOu (#8)
Prime (#3) vs MVP (#6)
oGs(#1) vs StarTale (#4)

Imo only the Prime vs MVP matchup makes sense, since they are #3 and #6. I would rather that the matchups be like so instead:

Top half of bracket:
oGs (#1) vs fOu (#8)
StarTale (#4) vs SlayerS (#5)

Bottom half of bracket:
TSL (#2) vs ZENEX (#7)
Prime (#3) vs MVP (#6)
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
May 10 2011 05:58 GMT
#79
They should give points based on past team league results as well.
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
May 10 2011 05:59 GMT
#80
On May 10 2011 14:57 Subversion wrote:
Well they're not in because they didn't deserve to be.

It's a team league, not a "lets hope Nestea/Losira/MVP can all-kill for us league". They're not amongst the top-performing teams in the GSL, so they were excluded.

Rules are rules, man. IM is my favourite team, but I totally understand.

you obviously havent watched GSTL
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