lolol gomtv is so full of win. kicking out a nooby team like IM. good choice guys, IM only won the first GSTL and came second in the 2nd GSTL, not to mention having a 2-time gsl champion and a 1-time GSL champion. this points system is retarded

Pwnographics

New Zealand1097 Posts

May 10 2011 05:59 GMT

#83

On May 10 2011 14:53 Highways wrote:
Wow the best SC2 team is not playing -___- unbelievable.

It is not a good move by GOM:
- IM is widely accepted as the best team.
- IM has heaps of star power which is good for viewership (IMNestea, IMMVP, IMLosira).
- IM players have the most achievements (2 GSL code S championships (possibly 3), 1 GSL WC winner, 2 code A finalists).
- IM has made the grand final of all previous GSTL seasons.

Really really dumb move.

So tell me what should they have done?

Kick out fOu because the public believes IM is a better team even though fOu legitimately qualified?

Tofugrinder

Austria899 Posts

May 10 2011 05:59 GMT

#84

dont know how there can be any problem now. I personally dont like the system they use at all (main reason is that things like that can happen), but now it's too late to change it for this season.

I hope they find another solution next GSTL to get the real best team. So this GSTL wont be as exciting for me, just because simply the best team is missing

StarStruck

25339 Posts

May 10 2011 06:00 GMT

#85

On May 10 2011 14:05 I)etox wrote:
Begin the hype!!

oGs vs. ST so early... that should be interesting.

Edit: Sigh. IM losing to fOu by .4 points... MVP being in Code A basically lost IM their seat :\

It is a bit of a piss off. Then again I remind myself what a sham of a tournament this is when BW has Pro League.

I cannot wait until they drop this format and start having an actual Pro League. :/

DigitalisDestructi

United States488 Posts

May 10 2011 06:01 GMT

#86

Quite unfortunate for IM, indeed. The way I see it, while the team with the most points is not necessarily the best team in Korea, the team with not enough players in the GSL is certainly not the best "team." It's on IM players other than MVP, NesTea, and Losira to step up for their team.

EDIT: Basically, the GSTL qualification requirement rewards the amount of players the teams have in the GSL rather than how deep they go in the tournaments.

SniXSniPe

United States1938 Posts

May 10 2011 06:02 GMT

#87

IMO, taking the top 7 teams and the previous champions would be smarter than simply taking the top 8.

Mairu

United States222 Posts

May 10 2011 06:02 GMT

#88

On May 10 2011 14:57 Subversion wrote:
Well they're not in because they didn't deserve to be.

It's a team league, not a "lets hope Nestea/Losira/MVP can all-kill for us league". They're not amongst the top-performing teams in the GSL, so they were excluded.

Rules are rules, man. IM is my favourite team, but I totally understand.

It seems bizarre to say that a team that won the first team league and got to the finals of the second team league doesn't "deserve" to be in. I think GOMTV knows their own rules for deciding how each team qualifies for the team league are a little off when they say they're looking into solutions to what happened (although not changing anything for May, which is understandable)

kNightLite

United States408 Posts

May 10 2011 06:02 GMT

#89

I'm curious as to why they set Code S players to be worth 1.6 Code A players. Seems very arbitrary, especially when there is a big difference between RO32 and champion.

GSL already has a point system that they're using the super tournament. And its does a very good job at power ranking, nobody has argued against it. They should just add up each individual's points in order to determine their team's points.

The current system favors teams that have a large quantity of players. I'm worried that it will be tough for new teams to be able to afford to "break in", MVP's case notwithstanding.

FuRong

New Zealand3089 Posts

May 10 2011 06:02 GMT

#90

Well you can't fault Gom's decision making here, it's just unfortunate that using the same system as previous seasons led them to an undesirable result in this case. But adding IM in arbitrarily would be a worse decision in terms of legitimacy.

Perhaps a better system would be to base the seedings on player performance, rather than just number of players in each league. Like if you added up the points that players have earned so far (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_Starcraft_II_League/Rankings) then took the top eight teams. This system would reward teams who have 1 or 2 good players over those with lots of average players, but I dunno if it would end up being any fairer in practice.

Frankon

3054 Posts

May 10 2011 06:04 GMT

#91

On May 10 2011 14:59 fuzzy_panda wrote:
lolol gomtv is so full of win. kicking out a nooby team like IM. good choice guys, IM only won the first GSTL and came second in the 2nd GSTL, not to mention having a 2-time gsl champion and a 1-time GSL champion. this points system is retarded

No its IM bench that is retarded. The stars are so full of themselves that they left no place for other players to sit on.

Ok joking aside. Blame the IM code B players... They are just like 4 class below the top of IM. We can only blame the coaches of IM that they didnt put their attention to code B players so they could improve and get into code A/S

zaii

Guam2611 Posts

May 10 2011 06:04 GMT

#92

I wonder if they can allow another team to join in so iM can be allowed to participate.

Also Slayers vs Startale finals!

Gijian

United States273 Posts

May 10 2011 06:04 GMT

#93

IMO, taking the top 7 teams and the previous champions would be smarter than simply taking the top 8.

Slayers the last winner, IM would still be excluded. Just up the # of teams to 16. I think there would be plenty of international teams willing to participate.

CarlMikael

Sweden1043 Posts

May 10 2011 06:06 GMT

#94

I have my hopes for ZeNex this there time

I)etox

1240 Posts

May 10 2011 06:08 GMT

#95

On May 10 2011 15:06 MyWindows wrote:
I have my hopes for ZeNex this there time

Blasphemy. I'll let MMA know to kill you last.

EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

May 10 2011 06:09 GMT

#96

On May 10 2011 15:06 MyWindows wrote:
I have my hopes for ZeNex this there time

Keep dreaming ^_^ oGs fighting!

Lobo2me

Norway1213 Posts

May 10 2011 06:10 GMT

#97

On May 10 2011 15:01 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
Quite unfortunate for IM, indeed. The way I see it, while the team with the most points is not necessarily the best team in Korea, the team with not enough players in the GSL is certainly not the best "team." It's on IM players other than MVP, NesTea, and Losira to step up for their team.

EDIT: Basically, the GSTL qualification requirement rewards the amount of players the teams have in the GSL rather than how deep they go in the tournaments.

IM saw this coming, and tried to avoid it happening by recruiting a teamless guy that qualified.

PeanutCookie (Mun Jin Hyeon)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=205417

And in Code A he was named IM_Nuts (Moon, Jin-Hyun)
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/schedule/

I reckon both IM and Gom has known about it since the start of GSL may since that's when the points for GSTL are given.

Sqq

Norway2023 Posts

May 10 2011 06:13 GMT

#98

On May 10 2011 15:02 SniXSniPe wrote:
IMO, taking the top 7 teams and the previous champions would be smarter than simply taking the top 8.

IM still wouldn't be in.

rickybobby

United States405 Posts

May 10 2011 06:14 GMT

#99

no IM that seems like a bad choice even though there is a point system for the teams to get in, IM would be a contender for first and not having them in the tournament just seems stupid...

Eishi_Ki

Korea (South)1667 Posts

May 10 2011 06:15 GMT

#100

I applaud GOM for sticking to their guns, IM should have seen this coming and focused on player development.