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ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
May 10 2011 05:29 GMT
#41
slayers got an easy way to the finals lol
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Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
May 10 2011 05:29 GMT
#42
On May 10 2011 14:05 I)etox wrote:
Begin the hype!!

oGs vs. ST so early... that should be interesting.

Edit: Sigh. IM losing to fOu by .4 points... MVP being in Code A basically lost IM their seat :\

oGs has consistently shown poor performances in the GSTL. While I think they should do well, I'm not optimistic.
Seun
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1 Post
May 10 2011 05:30 GMT
#43
Thanks for the info papery (:
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 10 2011 05:30 GMT
#44
Will the team leagues be played the week after the finals?
Mise
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland580 Posts
May 10 2011 05:31 GMT
#45
On May 10 2011 14:29 Rokk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 14:05 I)etox wrote:
Begin the hype!!

oGs vs. ST so early... that should be interesting.

Edit: Sigh. IM losing to fOu by .4 points... MVP being in Code A basically lost IM their seat :\

oGs has consistently shown poor performances in the GSTL. While I think they should do well, I'm not optimistic.

oGs has consistently lost to the eventual champion in the first round of GSTL. That really hurts their record.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
May 10 2011 05:32 GMT
#46
It's pretty silly that the rules weigh all players equally, seeing as the team of two champions (one two-time champion, and another potential two-timer), IM, isn't included this time. Keeping in mind that IM made the finals twice in the team league, it's foolish that they aren't competing this time around.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 05:34:32
May 10 2011 05:32 GMT
#47
On May 10 2011 14:24 Truefire wrote:
Some of you say IM doesn't have the results to compete but you do remember that they won the first GSTL and placed 2nd in second GSTL. They should give some rank points for placing 1st or 2nd in GSTL and that would solve this problem.

Yes, it's true that they did well in the tournament itself. However, what I think Gom is trying to do is counterbalance some of the issues the Winner's League Format has with their system.

There are 2 major formats for team competition - all kill, and standard. All kill is obviously favored towards the teams that have that 1 (or 2) stars, and maybe snipers, where the standard system is more beneficial to balanced teams with well-rounded players. You can't really do a mixture of the two systems within a tournament. But with GOM's format, they take care of the "needing a balanced team" requirement via their qualification procedure, then give the really strong players a chance to show their stuff in the actual tournament. It seems pretty fair to me, although I'lll agree it hurts to not see the stars in this tournament.

On May 10 2011 14:30 MechKing wrote:
Will the team leagues be played the week after the finals?

yes, this GSTL is the 16th-19th.
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
May 10 2011 05:33 GMT
#48
Yep, I'm glad that GOM stuck to their guns and didn't bend the rules just because a popular team missed out. Qualifications and objective rules are the best thing to maintain the integrity of the competition.
slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
May 10 2011 05:34 GMT
#49
On May 10 2011 14:16 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 14:06 Boblhead wrote:
whats the point in not letting IM join? isnt this supposed to support esports and have the "TOP" teams play?


Top teams get decided by results. Surely you can't be considered a top team if you don't have the current results to back it up. The other teams that are ahead of IM have proven, by showing results, that they are indeed a top team. I do agree that IM is a very good team, but if they aren't proving it consistantly then where is the credibility?


Would you really consider teams like Zenex and fou to be better than IM? Both have 5 players in the GSL, while IM has 4, just 1 less. Yet IM players have consistently performed better.
blah blah blah...
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
May 10 2011 05:34 GMT
#50
oGs vs Startale so early.. wow feel bad for Zenex having to face SlayerS lol
Kantutan
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1319 Posts
May 10 2011 05:35 GMT
#51
Disappointed, fOu is probably my most disliked team so it hurts to see them ahead of IM by .4 points. Expecting a Slayers/StarTale finals then.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
May 10 2011 05:36 GMT
#52
I'm perfectly fine with GOM following their established system to select teams, and I don't see why anyone could complain about it. The only thing I don't like is that previous GSTL seasons have been a great showcase for some up-and-coming players that hadn't yet made it in the GSL, and we may end up seeing less of that.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 10 2011 05:37 GMT
#53
What's up with the brackets? According to the picture we have 4v7 (slayers-zenex), 2v8(TSL-fOu), and 1v4 (oGs-Startale). Wouldn't it make sense to seed 1vs 8, 2vs7, etc.? Even though I like the players on IM, I'm glad GOM didn't change the rules just to make sure they get in. It would be very discouraging for up and coming new teams if they had to face the prospect of not making the GSTL on the basis of popularity. Anyone hating on GOM should blame IM for not having a deeper lineup. Based on what we've seen in the GSTL players like Seed, Yonghwa, and Junwi should be at least code A worthy, but none of them have even made it past the qualifiers. That being said, perhaps next year GOM could change the formula to give teams more points for players who make it deep into code S.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10382 Posts
May 10 2011 05:38 GMT
#54
Yes, it's true that they did well in the tournament itself. However, what I think Gom is trying to do is counterbalance some of the issues the Winner's League Format has with their system.

There are 2 major formats for team competition - all kill, and standard. All kill is obviously favored towards the teams that have that 1 (or 2) stars, and maybe snipers, where the standard system is more beneficial to balanced teams with well-rounded players. You can't really do a mixture of the two systems within a tournament. But with GOM's format, they take care of the "needing a balanced team" requirement via their qualification procedure, then give the really strong players a chance to show their stuff in the actual tournament. It seems pretty fair to me, although I'lll agree it hurts to not see the stars in this tournament.


Nice insight there, didn't think of it that way
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Mephyss
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Brazil128 Posts
May 10 2011 05:38 GMT
#55
This show the qualifying system is not good if the best team overall in all GSTL can get in competing in a 10 team pool for 8 spots.
shizi
Profile Joined February 2008
United States210 Posts
May 10 2011 05:38 GMT
#56
wow... how can you leave out the best team..
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 10 2011 05:39 GMT
#57
i thought they gave points for 1st/2nd? theres no way in hell IM deserves to be left out of this.
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 10 2011 05:40 GMT
#58
Even without IM being apart of this months tournament, I'm still looking forward to watching this. Go go head coach Cella!
Mephyss
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Brazil128 Posts
May 10 2011 05:41 GMT
#59
Also. IM has the previous Coda A winner, current code A runner up. current GSL WC champ. at least a Code S runner up coming. The system awards quantity instead of quality.
Paradice
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 05:49:47
May 10 2011 05:41 GMT
#60
While it's a bid sad that IM isn't in it, that's the way it is. People suggesting that previously defined tournament rules should be ignored to let a more popular team in need to get a grip on reality.

These are professional players, and playing this game is their livelihood. The rules may not be perfect, and by all means consider changing them for future tournaments, but not this one. You can't arbitrarily change the scoring system after the game is over.

p.s. prediction: MVP wins the tournament. A brand new team with some strong players and a hell of a lot to prove.
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