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If EG lost money through slasher its their fault, not his. Cause they simply cauld not keep the information save. And keeping things a secret is managable in small teams, big teams, small companys, big companys and you should understand one big thing.
EG in my eyes try to blame another person cause they failed. Its not press fault to leak informations, find things out and go public with it. I will now make really stupid examples because every person can understand them, and I will go really abstract to point out how stupid this whole "EG crying thing" really is.
Lets say the USA start the same blame on the press cause they leaked that Iran has no weapon of mass destruction. Press not leaking true would help USA really, and public would much more support that totaly useless war for oil. But...the press did their, and here comes the funy point....Bush and co accted more mannerd then EG. Moneylost? Ofc but they didnt blame the press.
Lets take church and their childfucking representetives. Well it would be much better for them if press would not leak such informations. I mean they lost really big, but they didnt went out to bitch on the press for their own mistakes. And ofc catholics lost money...but again they didnt behave like what?
And now comes the really interesting point. If EG really lost sooooo much money cause of their own fault. Why didnt they care much harder about Information leaking. And how much did EG loose? I mean they say they lost money...Bush said Irak has weapons of mass destruction...and the weapon guy sayed tornados are a reason for the last massaker...well how we say: "Screenshot or it didnt happen." I think, and I dont know, you dont know, we all really dont know...EG didnt loose money at all. They just got pissed of themselve but blaming others is much easier right. Maybe they lost respect of their sponsors but this is also their fault.
Its like a big campaign of fail information. And nothing more till EG shows up facts or what will rather happen, press finds out if this is actually true. But here comes the most important fact, its EG´s fail, not press fail. Try to understand this.
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Sry english is not my native language. But i think it is understandable
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Can someone please confirm there will be a new show tomorrow so we can stop talking about the last show? Maybe this time we can focus on, well, Hots, casters and I don't know, NASL's new show. No topics that have anything to do with drama or reddit. Seriously, I feel like a little kid who just wants his parents to stop fighting.
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I do not agree with your point and your analogies tadL;
The examples that you point out are all "negative things" that were tried to be kept secret.
And it is absolutely necessary and crucial for our modern society that the press investigates on such matters and comes out to report on them.
BUT, leaking news on new players is something that:
- is positive/promoting, and EG would not keep it secret
- would come out anyway, therefore he is just stating something in advance (nothing new)
- is important for the business-side of teams, as it is part of making money/promoting your sponsors, to make such "big" announcements.
Releasing such news beforehand is therefore bad for the teams, the players, and ultimately for E-sports.
And this is why EG and other teams are angry at Slasher: Because he only thought of himself and his profit, and not of the teams, and the "greater goal".
Ofc no one can say that he did something illegal or immoral. It would just be nice if he would cooperate with the teams (exclusive interviews when the news is released), so that everyone profits.
And that he concentrates on the more important part of journalism (in my opinion): focusing on the bad stuff in the industry (things that are kept secret; Own3d, mTw not paying; team-disbands)
If we would discuss those things then your arguments would be valid tadL.
Way more important: When is the new episode? :-)
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If you only checked the thread OP or the official site, you'd think ITG and other projects were dead.
OP, out of date. (2011)
OneMoreGame.TV, out of date (march 3, 2012)
The linked itunes and rss feeds are out of date.
Last update on the news is May 2, 2012.
It's sad I know ITG, LO3 are on but I have to hunt down the latest episodes because I can rarely catch them live.
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jaeh dont understand why djwheat etc not update the opening posts ... cant be that hard need a few minutes of his time ...
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On January 22 2013 06:54 Acasta wrote:
I do not agree with your point and your analogies tadL;
The examples that you point out are all "negative things" that were tried to be kept secret.
And it is absolutely necessary and crucial for our modern society that the press investigates on such matters and comes out to report on them.
BUT, leaking news on new players is something that:
- is positive/promoting, and EG would not keep it secret
- would come out anyway, therefore he is just stating something in advance (nothing new)
- is important for the business-side of teams, as it is part of making money/promoting your sponsors, to make such "big" announcements.
Releasing such news beforehand is therefore bad for the teams, the players, and ultimately for E-sports.
And this is why EG and other teams are angry at Slasher: Because he only thought of himself and his profit, and not of the teams, and the "greater goal".
If we would discuss those things then your arguments would be valid tadL.
Way more important: When is the new episode? :-)
You're confusing good for E-Sports with good for EG. EG has a certain business model that not all E-Sports organizations have. Creating "content" is what they do. The content they produce is about as good as content can get for youtube videos, which is subpar compared even to channel 421 on Satellite TV.
Ofc no one can say that he did something illegal or immoral. It would just be nice if he would cooperate with the teams (exclusive interviews when the news is released), so that everyone profits.
And that he concentrates on the more important part of journalism (in my opinion): focusing on the bad stuff in the industry (things that are kept secret; Own3d, mTw not paying; team-disbands)
I believe slasher's leaks are valuable to the community and I believe he's a very valuable member of the growing E-Sports industry. I like him where he is at right now, he does a good job.
Does E-Sports need a journalist that does all these other things such as focus on investigative journalism? That might be an area where someone new could step in since it seems to be an under-served part of E-Sports.
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Acosta sry but that arguments just aren't valid. This sounds like the same thing i heard on stream and because of that:
Your first point makes not much sense, EG still promoting, they are just not Nr1 and that's their own fault. But interview/Video and and and is still provided first by them. Its their player, so they can provide the best content. And they can, and some teams do, control the content others can get off a player. Rumours or leaks killing things? If a team does not want this to happen they have to prevent it. And i actually don't know a person that said "damn i really would like to read everything EG provides but slasher wrote on twitter so I don't care any more. And sure such people exist, but why would they visit EG page anyway? Buttom line of this, EG just didnt protect their money.
So the second point makes not much sense to me, cause like you said, they would release their big show anyway. So this argument can just be flipped by 180°. And their own show will be bigger because they own this player. Not able to utilize your player to get the best coverage out...well fail, right? They could also easy go to every press and partner with them up in first place. Make a NDA, give them time and the player to get their content done and just blast out a massive amount of coverage. But this does not work cause EG wants to have their exclusive content first on their own page and so they have to protect it. Its that simple and it sounds maybe to easy or not fair. But its still the only point that really matters.
And the third part is the nail for me. If this is so important, why is EG so lazy in protecting their money. And still we have not seen a proof to this statement. And as I tried to show, statements without proof are just worth nothing. This goes into believing. And if you believe that EG is right this is your right. No question about it. But there are also people who want to see facts or simply the truth. And there are so many examples, lehman brothers for example...
And blaming eSports press is staying poor and will stay poor. EG seems to have a businesses model that gets hurt buy eSports press. Because it looks like they are the only source who provides coverage about their players and they have to be the only one. So I understand why they are mad.
So you came to the conclusion that this is bad for teams - well its still their own fault. If a teams knows that such things can hurt them, why is EG just tremendously good in getting leaked? Blaming the press is just the lazy way. It just shows that the blaming party is not willing to work on their own problems. I never heard something like: "Well we EG made a mistake too that in the end brought Slasher this piece of information". Why not? Yes he cauld just go to EG and say "guys I will leak this now or you give me Jeadong exclusive for lets say a week so that only I can provide additional content". Something like this would not be leaked but you see that this is even more wrong from viewers point of view. Ofc EG and Slasher would get much more out of this but...well I really don't want to see such things happen. And still there is not even the need to talk about it. EG made the mistake and Slasher his job.
Players? Why, a player gets signed anyway. Such news do not hurt the player, such rumours can just help to rise their money income, not hurting them at all. But I am interested in a real explanation, cause it would just completely ignore the reality of esport past 15 years I followed it. And how is this hurting eSport at all?
And there comes the punchline, he did it all for himself and not the greater good. Well teams are egoistic and they do just things for their own good all the time in first place. Big Teams grab the best players/sponsors. Small teams get destroyed by big teams if they take them all their good players so that the smaller teams cant get into a position with a good rooster to attract sponsors. Just an example in cs history. Their was a team aLoosers who just was one of the teams to provide the top teams new players. They never could go big cause for example mousesports just took their line-up. And this is Ok, I dont say mouz did something bad. But thinking that the big teams always think first "well is this for a greater good?". Well yes spreading lets say the top 10 foreigners to 10 teams would be better for a greater good. But this will not happen, rich teams will grab the best to make much money to get the big sponsors cause they have to in the end. And our eSport journalists are in the same position.
But they get now blamed? I mean why did Foreigner Teams in first place pick up Koreans? Cause they are much better and their Foreign players will not win tournaments. Like Darkforce once said when they talked on sc2pro podcast about teamleagues. Well alternate can beat TL without their Korean mercenary's. But with them its a total different story.
Why did EG-TL play together in proLeague? Money sure but more important, they simply just have together enough Koreans to really provide results. And they in pL is not in first place for greater good. There is a clearly business Side of things in this decision in first place. I am not blaming them for this, dont get me wrong. Just saying that "for the greater good" is just a slogan in our society when it comes to business. Really sad but humanity will not overcome this as long we are not even able to unite and understand that we should not work against each other, we should work for each other.
I would like to read more things like mTw screwing up. But thats why I know the team for a long time and they did actions with players in the past that just showed what garbage this team is. Ofc eSports community forgets really fast but I dont. But this things will never go out. They just come to public if everything got screwed. You can hope for such things but this did never happen in past and will not happen in future. Strangely enough, teams are able to keep this things secret for a long time...
ps: the problem with the whole thing is believing. Some believe EG is right some dont and some just questioning cause of lack of inforamtion. Same with me in the end. So I wrote what I think and you can take it to reconsider your position as I did with your post.
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He talks to player and releases an announcement early.
Team was working on an article spending time + resources on creating a real article about the player/team/thing that is going on.
That article now gets less views and concentration because the information was released early.
Slasher's only work is a paragraph and a skype call.
I just think it would be more wise for slasher to do some sort of blackmail(not really) but say I will release this early, but would prefer an interview with the player before hand on skype. Make a large in depth interview with the player to be released with the article. That way the article wouldn't be ignored, but the separate video interview would have views as well, benefiting both parties.
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Tadl, it seems you don't comprehend how difficult it is to keep information for a big team like EG or TL, Axiom has only 5 players, keeping information inside should be a lot easier.
About 2 weeks after the Hobbit premiered the DVD screener (an early DVD copy of the movie for rental stores to preview) for the movie was uploaded to the internets.
Are Peter Jackson and Universal complete idiots now for making DVD screeners? An established practice to make sure the movie ships to the rental stores in time, whereas for the Hobbit there where undoubtedly many people waiting to see that movie, was there anyone who really benefited from Slasher releasing his news early? Apart from himself (that is if the embargo doesn't hold, otherwise I doubt we'll be hearing much of him anymore, it's not like any gamer over 12 gives a shit about the site he works for)?
For a player contract to get signed so many people have to get involved, a lot of which are not on EG/TL's payroll that someone like Slasher, who should be fairly familiar with these people due to his whole E-sports history can easily get at least one person to turn, as evidenced by the other pointless "scoops" he made.
Slasher is literally taking money away from E-sports teams to give to his overlords that coudn't care less about it, if you want him to continue these 2 line bullshit articles for easy pageviews, you must fucking hate E-sports.
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On January 22 2013 20:32 Scootaloo wrote:
Tadl, it seems you don't comprehend how difficult it is to keep information for a big team like EG or TL, Axiom has only 5 players, keeping information inside should be a lot easier.
About 2 weeks after the Hobbit premiered the DVD screener (an early DVD copy of the movie for rental stores to preview) for the movie was uploaded to the internets.
Are Peter Jackson and Universal complete idiots now for making DVD screeners? An established practice to make sure the movie ships to the rental stores in time, whereas for the Hobbit there where undoubtedly many people waiting to see that movie, was there anyone who really benefited from Slasher releasing his news early? Apart from himself (that is if the embargo doesn't hold, otherwise I doubt we'll be hearing much of him anymore, it's not like any gamer over 12 gives a shit about the site he works for)?
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Well that's a bit different, it's award season, thousands of DVDs are sent out to each of the thousands of Oscars voters, During other times in the year DVDs are leaked much later.
And EG is not that big, if Apple can keep a lid on their new product releases, EG and other organizations can too.
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On January 22 2013 23:31 Lemure wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 20:32 Scootaloo wrote:
Tadl, it seems you don't comprehend how difficult it is to keep information for a big team like EG or TL, Axiom has only 5 players, keeping information inside should be a lot easier.
About 2 weeks after the Hobbit premiered the DVD screener (an early DVD copy of the movie for rental stores to preview) for the movie was uploaded to the internets.
Are Peter Jackson and Universal complete idiots now for making DVD screeners? An established practice to make sure the movie ships to the rental stores in time, whereas for the Hobbit there where undoubtedly many people waiting to see that movie, was there anyone who really benefited from Slasher releasing his news early? Apart from himself (that is if the embargo doesn't hold, otherwise I doubt we'll be hearing much of him anymore, it's not like any gamer over 12 gives a shit about the site he works for)?
. Well that's a bit different, it's award season, thousands of DVDs are sent out to each of the thousands of Oscars voters, During other times in the year DVDs are leaked much later. And EG is not that big, if Apple can keep a lid on their new product releases, EG and other organizations can too.
According to Wiki ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Geniuses ) EG has 31 players on their active roster, add to that however many managers and everything else you need to run a team and you'll have somewhere between 50 - 100 employees to silence (vague estimation, might be much more, can't imagine less then 50 though).
50 is more then you can do without specifically hiring someone for information preservation, letting everyone sign constant NDA's, forcing a more reclusive atmosphere and everything else associated with knowing your company has detectives and lawyers that could be monitoring what you do at any time.
Apple might have the money for an army of lawyers to NDA the hell out of everyone and have the capability of finding out who leaked, you can't honestly expect Evil Geniuses to have this kind of money, can you?
Slasher being a dick basically forces them to spend a shitton of money to keep information secret or deal with his "journalism" losing them money from sponsors.
Either way, Slasher is literally killing E-sports because he thinks that his journalistic integrity is more important then anything else.
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On January 22 2013 23:31 Lemure wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 20:32 Scootaloo wrote:
Tadl, it seems you don't comprehend how difficult it is to keep information for a big team like EG or TL, Axiom has only 5 players, keeping information inside should be a lot easier.
About 2 weeks after the Hobbit premiered the DVD screener (an early DVD copy of the movie for rental stores to preview) for the movie was uploaded to the internets.
Are Peter Jackson and Universal complete idiots now for making DVD screeners? An established practice to make sure the movie ships to the rental stores in time, whereas for the Hobbit there where undoubtedly many people waiting to see that movie, was there anyone who really benefited from Slasher releasing his news early? Apart from himself (that is if the embargo doesn't hold, otherwise I doubt we'll be hearing much of him anymore, it's not like any gamer over 12 gives a shit about the site he works for)?
. Well that's a bit different, it's award season, thousands of DVDs are sent out to each of the thousands of Oscars voters, During other times in the year DVDs are leaked much later. And EG is not that big, if Apple can keep a lid on their new product releases, EG and other organizations can too.
Except that Apple can't keep a lid on their releases. Behold! Leaked Iphone 5 images before the Iphone 5 was announced:
Iphone 5 Leaked photos
Apple has leaks all the time. However, they make money by selling Iphones, so it is not as large a problem for them. The same is true for major sports teams, who have profit sharing with the players, stadiums, ticket sales and other forms of income. Since one of the main selling point at this time for EG is how many watch and pay attention to their team, leaked news is more damaging. Also, people need to understand that Esports teams are very small businesses and their budgets are tight. That may change, but they are going to throw down pretty hard with anyone who cuts into their income.
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On January 23 2013 00:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 23:31 Lemure wrote:On January 22 2013 20:32 Scootaloo wrote:
Tadl, it seems you don't comprehend how difficult it is to keep information for a big team like EG or TL, Axiom has only 5 players, keeping information inside should be a lot easier.
About 2 weeks after the Hobbit premiered the DVD screener (an early DVD copy of the movie for rental stores to preview) for the movie was uploaded to the internets.
Are Peter Jackson and Universal complete idiots now for making DVD screeners? An established practice to make sure the movie ships to the rental stores in time, whereas for the Hobbit there where undoubtedly many people waiting to see that movie, was there anyone who really benefited from Slasher releasing his news early? Apart from himself (that is if the embargo doesn't hold, otherwise I doubt we'll be hearing much of him anymore, it's not like any gamer over 12 gives a shit about the site he works for)?
. Well that's a bit different, it's award season, thousands of DVDs are sent out to each of the thousands of Oscars voters, During other times in the year DVDs are leaked much later. And EG is not that big, if Apple can keep a lid on their new product releases, EG and other organizations can too. Except that Apple can't keep a lid on their releases. Behold! Leaked Iphone 5 images before the Iphone 5 was announced: Iphone 5 Leaked photosApple has leaks all the time. However, they make money by selling Iphones, so it is not as large a problem for them. The same is true for major sports teams, who have profit sharing with the players, stadiums, ticket sales and other forms of income. Since one of the main selling point at this time for EG is how many watch and pay attention to their team, leaked news is more damaging. Also, people need to understand that Esports teams are very small businesses and their budgets are tight. That may change, but they are going to throw down pretty hard with anyone who cuts into their income.
And didn't one of their employees leave an advanced copy of the Iphone 4/4s at a bar?
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On January 22 2013 06:54 Acasta wrote:
Releasing such news beforehand is therefore bad for the teams, the players, and ultimately for E-sports.
And this is why EG and other teams are angry at Slasher: Because he only thought of himself and his profit, and not of the teams, and the "greater goal".
but that's slasher's job. he doesn't work for EG, he doesn't get paid by EG, he gets paid by GameSpot to be a journalist. what if he didn't leak the info and someone else did (after it had obviously been leaked to some extent)? he would get nothing, gamespot would get nothing, and he wouldn't be doing his job well.
he has no obligation to EG, to the players of EG, or to 'esports' -- he only should care about his job.
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On January 22 2013 20:32 Scootaloo wrote:
Slasher is literally taking money away from E-sports teams to give to his overlords that coudn't care less about it, if you want him to continue these 2 line bullshit articles for easy pageviews, you must fucking hate E-sports.
It doesnt matter if Slasher is taking money from E-sports teams. EG is loosing money on a leaked news article, thats EG's problem and certainly not Slashers! How difficult is it to understand? Slasher wins viewers by releasing the news first, EG wins marketing value by releasing it first.
Im really shocked to see people who normally are very smart in discussions like incontrol not seeing this. And Alex Garfield attacking Slasher personally was also really uncalled for.
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On January 23 2013 00:18 OblivionMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:54 Acasta wrote:
Releasing such news beforehand is therefore bad for the teams, the players, and ultimately for E-sports.
And this is why EG and other teams are angry at Slasher: Because he only thought of himself and his profit, and not of the teams, and the "greater goal".
but that's slasher's job. he doesn't work for EG, he doesn't get paid by EG, he gets paid by GameSpot to be a journalist. what if he didn't leak the info and someone else did (after it had obviously been leaked to some extent)? he would get nothing, gamespot would get nothing, and he wouldn't be doing his job well. he has no obligation to EG, to the players of EG, or to 'esports' -- he only should care about his job.
On January 23 2013 00:28 Avean wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 20:32 Scootaloo wrote:
Slasher is literally taking money away from E-sports teams to give to his overlords that coudn't care less about it, if you want him to continue these 2 line bullshit articles for easy pageviews, you must fucking hate E-sports. It doesnt matter if Slasher is taking money from E-sports teams. EG is loosing money on a leaked news article, thats EG's problem and certainly not Slashers! How difficult is it to understand? Slasher wins viewers by releasing the news first, EG wins marketing value by releasing it first. Im really shocked to see people who normally are very smart in discussions like incontrol not seeing this. And Alex Garfield attacking Slasher personally was also really uncalled for.
So your point is basically that him being an asshole and only caring about his own profit at the expense of the E-sports scene (which he keeps telling us he loves) is something we should laud and applaud?
I really have no idea where your idea comes from, for most of humanity though being a self obsessed asshole is considered a bad thing and grounds for not wanting to associate with those individuals, y'know, because you tend to get fucked over.
And another point you miss is that Slasher has a very long history in game journalism which he uses and abuses to get this sort of information, other people havn't leaked stories like this, just him, in other words, either he's the only one who has access to sources like these or other journalists actually give a shit about the prosperity of this scene.
And as was posted literally a couple posts before, keeping information like this secret is almost impossible without hiring armies of lawyers and detectives, and even with that companies like Apple can't keep their shit secret.
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On January 23 2013 00:12 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 00:08 Plansix wrote:On January 22 2013 23:31 Lemure wrote:On January 22 2013 20:32 Scootaloo wrote:
Tadl, it seems you don't comprehend how difficult it is to keep information for a big team like EG or TL, Axiom has only 5 players, keeping information inside should be a lot easier.
About 2 weeks after the Hobbit premiered the DVD screener (an early DVD copy of the movie for rental stores to preview) for the movie was uploaded to the internets.
Are Peter Jackson and Universal complete idiots now for making DVD screeners? An established practice to make sure the movie ships to the rental stores in time, whereas for the Hobbit there where undoubtedly many people waiting to see that movie, was there anyone who really benefited from Slasher releasing his news early? Apart from himself (that is if the embargo doesn't hold, otherwise I doubt we'll be hearing much of him anymore, it's not like any gamer over 12 gives a shit about the site he works for)?
. Well that's a bit different, it's award season, thousands of DVDs are sent out to each of the thousands of Oscars voters, During other times in the year DVDs are leaked much later. And EG is not that big, if Apple can keep a lid on their new product releases, EG and other organizations can too. Except that Apple can't keep a lid on their releases. Behold! Leaked Iphone 5 images before the Iphone 5 was announced: Iphone 5 Leaked photosApple has leaks all the time. However, they make money by selling Iphones, so it is not as large a problem for them. The same is true for major sports teams, who have profit sharing with the players, stadiums, ticket sales and other forms of income. Since one of the main selling point at this time for EG is how many watch and pay attention to their team, leaked news is more damaging. Also, people need to understand that Esports teams are very small businesses and their budgets are tight. That may change, but they are going to throw down pretty hard with anyone who cuts into their income. And didn't one of their employees leave an advanced copy of the Iphone 4/4s at a bar?
That totally happened and it was amazing. Apple tried to collect the phone with the assistance of the police, but was unable to do so. I don’t think that hurt Apple with the exception that one of their prototypes was out there. Even they cannot stop leaks from happening across their supply chain. The spec for the new Xbox were likely leaked this week as well.
The teams are having problem with leaks because they are so much smaller than Apple or Gamespot. Hell, my firm has around 400 people working for it, so we are several magnitudes larger than EG. But in some ways EG is being treated as if they are a major sports franchise, with a stadium, ticket and other sales supporting them. The same for the other teams as well. All of them are looking for a middle of the road with Slasher and Gamespot, or at least to make people more aware that they need support to keep going, which means page views.
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On January 23 2013 00:29 Scootaloo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 00:18 OblivionMage wrote:On January 22 2013 06:54 Acasta wrote:
Releasing such news beforehand is therefore bad for the teams, the players, and ultimately for E-sports.
And this is why EG and other teams are angry at Slasher: Because he only thought of himself and his profit, and not of the teams, and the "greater goal".
but that's slasher's job. he doesn't work for EG, he doesn't get paid by EG, he gets paid by GameSpot to be a journalist. what if he didn't leak the info and someone else did (after it had obviously been leaked to some extent)? he would get nothing, gamespot would get nothing, and he wouldn't be doing his job well. he has no obligation to EG, to the players of EG, or to 'esports' -- he only should care about his job. Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 00:28 Avean wrote:On January 22 2013 20:32 Scootaloo wrote:
Slasher is literally taking money away from E-sports teams to give to his overlords that coudn't care less about it, if you want him to continue these 2 line bullshit articles for easy pageviews, you must fucking hate E-sports. It doesnt matter if Slasher is taking money from E-sports teams. EG is loosing money on a leaked news article, thats EG's problem and certainly not Slashers! How difficult is it to understand? Slasher wins viewers by releasing the news first, EG wins marketing value by releasing it first. Im really shocked to see people who normally are very smart in discussions like incontrol not seeing this. And Alex Garfield attacking Slasher personally was also really uncalled for. So your point is basically that him being an asshole and only caring about his own profit at the expense of the E-sports scene (which he keeps telling us he loves) is something we should laud and applaud? I really have no idea where your idea comes from, for most of humanity though being a self obsessed asshole is considered a bad thing and grounds for not wanting to associate with those individuals, y'know, because you tend to get fucked over. And another point you miss is that Slasher has a very long history in game journalism which he uses and abuses to get this sort of information, other people havn't leaked stories like this, just him, in other words, either he's the only one who has access to sources like these or other journalists actually give a shit about the prosperity of this scene. And as was posted literally a couple posts before, keeping information like this secret is almost impossible without hiring armies of lawyers and detectives, and even with that companies like Apple can't keep their shit secret.
You're saying that Slasher should fail to do his job properly to cover up the mistakes of EG, so that EG can make more money? Slasher does not work for EG. Slasher does not have some obligation to make sure EG can maximize their profit. That's not his job. EG fucked up. If this calamity was so intense it somehow cost EG their team, and they collapsed today because of these leaks, the fault would lie entirely with EG letting the info leak. If all of esports collapsed the next day because EG collapsed, the fault would still lie entirely with EG. Not with a journalist doing his job and publishing information he receives from sources.
And as was posted literally a couple posts before, keeping information like this secret is almost impossible without hiring armies of lawyers and detectives, and even with that companies like Apple can't keep their shit secret.
I disagree, but theoretically, if this were true, it would mean that EG can only prosper (if these leaks were truly a big deal in their eyes) in their current business model if people in the scene all worked towards the goodwill of EG. That's not how the world works. That model is unsustainable and stupid.
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On January 23 2013 00:18 OblivionMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 06:54 Acasta wrote:
Releasing such news beforehand is therefore bad for the teams, the players, and ultimately for E-sports.
And this is why EG and other teams are angry at Slasher: Because he only thought of himself and his profit, and not of the teams, and the "greater goal".
but that's slasher's job. he doesn't work for EG, he doesn't get paid by EG, he gets paid by GameSpot to be a journalist. what if he didn't leak the info and someone else did (after it had obviously been leaked to some extent)? he would get nothing, gamespot would get nothing, and he wouldn't be doing his job well. he has no obligation to EG, to the players of EG, or to 'esports' -- he only should care about his job.
The argument that was voiced against that stance is that his leak announcements for things like player signings and such that are meant to bring positive attention towards teams and their sponsors actually hurt the sponsors that are vital to this industry continuing to grow and thrive because he reduces their exposure by stealing that news from the teams. If Slasher hurts sponsors enough by taking away this exposure with his early leaks he is basically destroying the job that he has. There has to be a compromise where he can continue to report and be a good journalist without actually hurting the industry that employs him. You say that he doesn't have any obligation to eSports, but if eSports takes a major dive because of the hits sponsors take from things like this do you really think Gamespot would still employ him to cover an underground scene? Probably not. So yes, he does have an obligation to the eSports scene if he wants to keep his job long term. Also, if there are as many teams that are banding together to block him from interviews and such I imagine that it will be difficult for him to keep his job once he has run out of sources. You can only burn people so many times before no one will talk to you because you're an asshole.
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On January 23 2013 00:45 Achaia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 00:18 OblivionMage wrote:On January 22 2013 06:54 Acasta wrote:
Releasing such news beforehand is therefore bad for the teams, the players, and ultimately for E-sports.
And this is why EG and other teams are angry at Slasher: Because he only thought of himself and his profit, and not of the teams, and the "greater goal".
but that's slasher's job. he doesn't work for EG, he doesn't get paid by EG, he gets paid by GameSpot to be a journalist. what if he didn't leak the info and someone else did (after it had obviously been leaked to some extent)? he would get nothing, gamespot would get nothing, and he wouldn't be doing his job well. he has no obligation to EG, to the players of EG, or to 'esports' -- he only should care about his job. The argument that was voiced against that stance is that his leak announcements for things like player signings and such that are meant to bring positive attention towards teams and their sponsors actually hurt the sponsors that are vital to this industry continuing to grow and thrive because he reduces their exposure by stealing that news from the teams. If Slasher hurts sponsors enough by taking away this exposure with his early leaks he is basically destroying the job that he has. There has to be a compromise where he can continue to report and be a good journalist without actually hurting the industry that employs him. You say that he doesn't have any obligation to eSports, but if eSports takes a major dive because of the hits sponsors take from things like this do you really think Gamespot would still employ him to cover an underground scene? Probably not. So yes, he does have an obligation to the eSports scene if he wants to keep his job long term. Also, if there are as many teams that are banding together to block him from interviews and such I imagine that it will be difficult for him to keep his job once he has run out of sources. You can only burn people so many times before no one will talk to you because you're an asshole.
If EG is going to have their business ruined by journalists leaking information (as it is such a big deal, you note in your post), then they should have their business ruined. It's clearly a poorly thought-out business. We should not coddle companies because they're involved in ESPORTS.
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