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On January 18 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 05:41 Dotq wrote:
And you think these people you can turn to sc2 fans wont watch your announcements and get hyped because someone else leaked it on one of the sites they never visit? This is a strawman argument since I am one of the very few exceptions and made that abundantly clear during the show. Please listen to the show if you are confused as to what my argument is. Show nested quote +And being offensive towards a person on cam -not cool. What was the agenda with that? Slasher is not a 10 year old and is completely used to both dishing out and taking trashtalk. People need to get over the "retarded cat" comment and stop taking it out of context. The way that Slasher writes those leaks is lazy, I've told him this publicly and privately and he has not disagreed, quite the contrary. I am most disappointed in that because I know he's capable of far better. Show nested quote +So your concern is that Slasher is not doing a good job in your opinion? I'm sorry but where does that statment even come from? So the topic of the show was just to bash on how Slasher works, and telling him and the viewers he isn't professional.
That is a bad set-up imo.
Its kinda contradicting sice u in previous post claim that Gamespot doesn't matter and have poor content and therefore wouldn't effect the scene. You clearly did not comprehend my post very well. This is the problem with discussing these things with people who have no experience in the industry, it's difficult to do that because they have a ton of misconceptions and don't understand the topic very well. This would be why this became "drama" and not a real discussion. Please read my post again and try to properly comprehend the point I was making. If after that you have any further questions and still don't understand it, I'll try and rephrase it for you.
If all people are that concerned about the lack of quality in Slashers work. Why don't u just ask him if he wants to start working for u? Since u know his capacity i mean...
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On January 18 2013 06:16 Me jan wrote:
If all people are that concerned about the lack of quality in Slashers work. Why don't u just ask him if he wants to start working for u? Since u know his capacity i mean...
Why on earth would I do that? We don't need a journalist on staff and it's a massive conflict of interest anyway.
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On January 18 2013 06:16 Me jan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 18 2013 05:41 Dotq wrote:
And you think these people you can turn to sc2 fans wont watch your announcements and get hyped because someone else leaked it on one of the sites they never visit? This is a strawman argument since I am one of the very few exceptions and made that abundantly clear during the show. Please listen to the show if you are confused as to what my argument is. And being offensive towards a person on cam -not cool. What was the agenda with that? Slasher is not a 10 year old and is completely used to both dishing out and taking trashtalk. People need to get over the "retarded cat" comment and stop taking it out of context. The way that Slasher writes those leaks is lazy, I've told him this publicly and privately and he has not disagreed, quite the contrary. I am most disappointed in that because I know he's capable of far better. So your concern is that Slasher is not doing a good job in your opinion? I'm sorry but where does that statment even come from? So the topic of the show was just to bash on how Slasher works, and telling him and the viewers he isn't professional.
That is a bad set-up imo.
Its kinda contradicting sice u in previous post claim that Gamespot doesn't matter and have poor content and therefore wouldn't effect the scene. You clearly did not comprehend my post very well. This is the problem with discussing these things with people who have no experience in the industry, it's difficult to do that because they have a ton of misconceptions and don't understand the topic very well. This would be why this became "drama" and not a real discussion. Please read my post again and try to properly comprehend the point I was making. If after that you have any further questions and still don't understand it, I'll try and rephrase it for you. If all people are that concerned about the lack of quality in Slashers work. Why don't u just ask him if he wants to start working for u? Since u know his capacity i mean...
Slasher has a amazing job at gamespot. why the hell would he leave that. also why would a person or specific team ask him to just come work for them, that defeats the whole purpose of a journalist
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"You clearly did not comprehend my post very well. This is the problem with discussing these things with people who have no experience in the industry, it's difficult to do that because they have a ton of misconceptions and don't understand the topic very well. This would be why this became "drama" and not a real discussion.
Please read my post again and try to properly comprehend the point I was making. If after that you have any further questions and still don't understand it, I'll try and rephrase it for you"
Im sorry but u can't blame the drama on the people posting stuff at the internet. The drama was in the show. Even PC gamer reacted and wrote an article about it. Take responsibility and don't point fingers. It reflects bad imo. But thats just me.
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On January 18 2013 06:20 Me jan wrote:
"You clearly did not comprehend my post very well. This is the problem with discussing these things with people who have no experience in the industry, it's difficult to do that because they have a ton of misconceptions and don't understand the topic very well. This would be why this became "drama" and not a real discussion.
Please read my post again and try to properly comprehend the point I was making. If after that you have any further questions and still don't understand it, I'll try and rephrase it for you"
Im sorry but u can't blame the drama on the people posting stuff at the internet. The drama was in the show. Even PC gamer reacted and wrote an article about it. Take responsibility and don't point fingers. It reflects bad imo. But thats just me.
I didn't cause any drama so I won't take responsibility for anything. This thread clearly reflects that, there's like 2 people criticizing what I said and everyone else is focused on the rest of the discussion. The only reason you're arguing with me about this is because I chose to involve myself in the thread in a hope of informing people from the perspective of someone who actually does journalistic content from time to time and is a content producer that is solely reliant on traffic to generate revenue. That puts me in a position to know more than most. Unfortunately the complete lack of understanding demonstrated by people in this thread as well as a lack of comprehension from readers is unfortunately turning those efforts into a waste of time.
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On January 18 2013 06:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:20 Me jan wrote:
"You clearly did not comprehend my post very well. This is the problem with discussing these things with people who have no experience in the industry, it's difficult to do that because they have a ton of misconceptions and don't understand the topic very well. This would be why this became "drama" and not a real discussion.
Please read my post again and try to properly comprehend the point I was making. If after that you have any further questions and still don't understand it, I'll try and rephrase it for you"
Im sorry but u can't blame the drama on the people posting stuff at the internet. The drama was in the show. Even PC gamer reacted and wrote an article about it. Take responsibility and don't point fingers. It reflects bad imo. But thats just me. I didn't cause any drama so I won't take responsibility for anything. This thread clearly reflects that, there's like 2 people criticizing what I said and everyone else is focused on the rest of the discussion. The only reason you're arguing with me about this is because I chose to involve myself in the thread in a hope of informing people from the perspective of someone who actually does journalistic content from time to time and is a content producer that is solely reliant on traffic to generate revenue. That puts me in a position to know more than most. Unfortunately the complete lack of understanding demonstrated by people in this thread as well as a lack of comprehension from readers is unfortunately turning those efforts into a waste of time.
It's not a complete waste of time, a bunch of us understand you and simply aren't responding because we have nothing to add after you've done a great job of explaining, and it would be superfluous of us to do so. I think you've done a fine job of making your point.
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On January 18 2013 06:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:20 Me jan wrote:
"You clearly did not comprehend my post very well. This is the problem with discussing these things with people who have no experience in the industry, it's difficult to do that because they have a ton of misconceptions and don't understand the topic very well. This would be why this became "drama" and not a real discussion.
Please read my post again and try to properly comprehend the point I was making. If after that you have any further questions and still don't understand it, I'll try and rephrase it for you"
Im sorry but u can't blame the drama on the people posting stuff at the internet. The drama was in the show. Even PC gamer reacted and wrote an article about it. Take responsibility and don't point fingers. It reflects bad imo. But thats just me. I didn't cause any drama so I won't take responsibility for anything. This thread clearly reflects that, there's like 2 people criticizing what I said and everyone else is focused on the rest of the discussion. The only reason you're arguing with me about this is because I chose to involve myself in the thread in a hope of informing people from the perspective of someone who actually does journalistic content from time to time and is a content producer that is solely reliant on traffic to generate revenue. That puts me in a position to know more than most. Unfortunately the complete lack of understanding demonstrated by people in this thread as well as a lack of comprehension from readers is unfortunately turning those efforts into a waste of time.
Don't worry TB, I got it and so did a lot of other people. There are some people just live to argue or just want to whine that a full grown adult was mean to another full grown adult. Thanks for taking the time.
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On January 18 2013 06:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:20 Me jan wrote:
"You clearly did not comprehend my post very well. This is the problem with discussing these things with people who have no experience in the industry, it's difficult to do that because they have a ton of misconceptions and don't understand the topic very well. This would be why this became "drama" and not a real discussion.
Please read my post again and try to properly comprehend the point I was making. If after that you have any further questions and still don't understand it, I'll try and rephrase it for you"
Im sorry but u can't blame the drama on the people posting stuff at the internet. The drama was in the show. Even PC gamer reacted and wrote an article about it. Take responsibility and don't point fingers. It reflects bad imo. But thats just me. I didn't cause any drama so I won't take responsibility for anything. This thread clearly reflects that, there's like 2 people criticizing what I said and everyone else is focused on the rest of the discussion. The only reason you're arguing with me about this is because I chose to involve myself in the thread in a hope of informing people from the perspective of someone who actually does journalistic content from time to time and is a content producer that is solely reliant on traffic to generate revenue. That puts me in a position to know more than most. Unfortunately the complete lack of understanding demonstrated by people in this thread as well as a lack of comprehension from readers is unfortunately turning those efforts into a waste of time.
Well im just responding to u since u thought internet brought drama to the scene while the show started the drama it self. I concider it healthy that people are reacting. As u said the interest conflicts about the internet traffic. If the discussion and topic is handled poorly ofcaurse people will react. The scene need to adapt. Journalism is journalism, despite the quality of the news.
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On January 18 2013 06:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:20 Me jan wrote:
"You clearly did not comprehend my post very well. This is the problem with discussing these things with people who have no experience in the industry, it's difficult to do that because they have a ton of misconceptions and don't understand the topic very well. This would be why this became "drama" and not a real discussion.
Please read my post again and try to properly comprehend the point I was making. If after that you have any further questions and still don't understand it, I'll try and rephrase it for you"
Im sorry but u can't blame the drama on the people posting stuff at the internet. The drama was in the show. Even PC gamer reacted and wrote an article about it. Take responsibility and don't point fingers. It reflects bad imo. But thats just me. I didn't cause any drama so I won't take responsibility for anything. This thread clearly reflects that, there's like 2 people criticizing what I said and everyone else is focused on the rest of the discussion. The only reason you're arguing with me about this is because I chose to involve myself in the thread in a hope of informing people from the perspective of someone who actually does journalistic content from time to time and is a content producer that is solely reliant on traffic to generate revenue. That puts me in a position to know more than most. Unfortunately the complete lack of understanding demonstrated by people in this thread as well as a lack of comprehension from readers is unfortunately turning those efforts into a waste of time.
Nobody has criticized what you said because your point is basically that Slasher is not a good writer and can do better.
It's a distraction at best from the question of whether Slasher should scoop organizations that want to build hype for big announcements.
I will criticize one of your points from ITG, which was bragging that you manipulated Slasher into not reporting the golden nugget that Scarlett is participating on GSTL. But that's also a distraction because it's unclear that if you told Slasher that was happening and asked him not to report it until you had announced it officially, whether he would scoop you anyways and announce it despite your request. THAT is the issue on which the whole discussion hinges IMO.
EDIT: In fairness, that question was posed to Slasher several times during the show and he gave noncommittal answers when he did at all.
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Leaks happen cuz the organization or people around it fucked up, same happens in real sport every day (example guardiola to munich in football) leaked (throu ac milan officals) and announced before the official announcement. Any esport company who has problems with leaks should try to stop the leaking. If u guys wanna make esport an actual sport (lol) then smarten up -_-
the discussion about slasher and his piss poor "articles" is another topic and has nothing to do with the leaking problem itself so why bringing that up just to talk more shit....well no one knows i guess
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On January 18 2013 06:35 Me jan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 18 2013 06:20 Me jan wrote:
"You clearly did not comprehend my post very well. This is the problem with discussing these things with people who have no experience in the industry, it's difficult to do that because they have a ton of misconceptions and don't understand the topic very well. This would be why this became "drama" and not a real discussion.
Please read my post again and try to properly comprehend the point I was making. If after that you have any further questions and still don't understand it, I'll try and rephrase it for you"
Im sorry but u can't blame the drama on the people posting stuff at the internet. The drama was in the show. Even PC gamer reacted and wrote an article about it. Take responsibility and don't point fingers. It reflects bad imo. But thats just me. I didn't cause any drama so I won't take responsibility for anything. This thread clearly reflects that, there's like 2 people criticizing what I said and everyone else is focused on the rest of the discussion. The only reason you're arguing with me about this is because I chose to involve myself in the thread in a hope of informing people from the perspective of someone who actually does journalistic content from time to time and is a content producer that is solely reliant on traffic to generate revenue. That puts me in a position to know more than most. Unfortunately the complete lack of understanding demonstrated by people in this thread as well as a lack of comprehension from readers is unfortunately turning those efforts into a waste of time. Well im just responding to u since u thought internet brought drama to the scene while the show started the drama it self. I concider it healthy that people are reacting. As u said the interest conflicts about the internet traffic. If the discussion and topic is handled poorly ofcaurse people will react. The scene need to adapt. Journalism is journalism, despite the quality of the news.
Yes, but shitty journalism is still shitty. If shitty journalism is hurting your team, I think people should be able to say so without freaking out about freedom of the press.
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On January 18 2013 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If after that you have any further questions and still don't understand it, I'll try and rephrase it for you.
How about this: Write a report on Axiom signing Alicia as if you were Slasher breaking the story and then we can compare it to some of Slasher's recent work. You don't have to go all out and spend significant time on it but just a quick jot to illustrate.
Of course this still seems different from the original complaint because as I understand it the quality of Slasher's work isn't the real problem. If anything, bad work from Slasher would lessen the supposed problem because if all he is doing is lazy articles then there remains motive to click team announcements but if Slasher were doing a much better job there would be even less reason to bother with the team's hype piece.
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On January 18 2013 06:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:35 Me jan wrote:On January 18 2013 06:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 18 2013 06:20 Me jan wrote:
"You clearly did not comprehend my post very well. This is the problem with discussing these things with people who have no experience in the industry, it's difficult to do that because they have a ton of misconceptions and don't understand the topic very well. This would be why this became "drama" and not a real discussion.
Please read my post again and try to properly comprehend the point I was making. If after that you have any further questions and still don't understand it, I'll try and rephrase it for you"
Im sorry but u can't blame the drama on the people posting stuff at the internet. The drama was in the show. Even PC gamer reacted and wrote an article about it. Take responsibility and don't point fingers. It reflects bad imo. But thats just me. I didn't cause any drama so I won't take responsibility for anything. This thread clearly reflects that, there's like 2 people criticizing what I said and everyone else is focused on the rest of the discussion. The only reason you're arguing with me about this is because I chose to involve myself in the thread in a hope of informing people from the perspective of someone who actually does journalistic content from time to time and is a content producer that is solely reliant on traffic to generate revenue. That puts me in a position to know more than most. Unfortunately the complete lack of understanding demonstrated by people in this thread as well as a lack of comprehension from readers is unfortunately turning those efforts into a waste of time. Well im just responding to u since u thought internet brought drama to the scene while the show started the drama it self. I concider it healthy that people are reacting. As u said the interest conflicts about the internet traffic. If the discussion and topic is handled poorly ofcaurse people will react. The scene need to adapt. Journalism is journalism, despite the quality of the news. Yes, but shitty journalism is still shitty. If shitty journalism is hurting your team, I think people should be able to say so without freaking out about freedom of the press.
Yeah and a shitty discussion about it i shitty. That does not bring anything forward.
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On January 18 2013 05:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 05:28 nihlon wrote:
It's not a blanket ban of "serious journalists" though now is it? It's not uncommon for the pr department of sport teams to restrict access to certain journalists and it's certainly not the worst thing you can do, whatever that means. It's very common in fact. If journalists are actively disrupting the marketing plans of companies what do you expect them to do, sit back and thank them for it? Absolutely not, they're going to do what they are well within their rights to do which is try and control the message. This stupid thing about this debate is that it's actually not about journalistic freedom and what is in the public interest at all. If this was the kind of shit teams were pulling when actual investigative journalism and criticism was in play, then there'd be a righteous shitstorm. But it's not, it's about leaking announcements that were about to be made public anyway, which does not serve the public good in any way. While I as a team promoter accept that this is going to happen and take measures against it (which includes engaging with people like Slasher and making them a part of my media strategy, unwittingly or otherwise), I personally am repeatedly disappointed by the quality of these articles and the complete lack of value they add to anything. It disappoints me further because I know Slasher is better than that and at present seems mostly concerned with raw hits in order to satisfy his employer.
hm... as someone who once started a youtube channel, and as someone who repeatedly stated "I somtimes produce terrible content because the viewers want to watch it but hey it's a business" I'm surprised that you are surprised that someone is only concerned with raw hits... from a strict capitalistic / business standpoint leaving morality and everything else out of the picture;
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I just finished listening to the show, and i've some thoughts:
First: this was an AMAZING discussion. It got me thinking , and i like smart shows that make me think. There are clearly two sides to this discussion with valid points. everybody remained calm and civil. I feel The Alex part was more a negotiation than a debate, and it's cool to witness that. Alex may have got a little heated in the end, with the whole "i'm done with you"-union-bridgesburning thing but it's probably because the whole thing was public and it can make some people nervous, and, come on! it's part of a negotiating, showing that you are willing to put your threats into acts. I feel that it was just a move,to apply pressure. You can't blame the guy for defending his business, and using the tools he's got in his hands to threaten the journalist he feels is hurting his business. That's how it works, all the time, in every type of business. A threat is just a way to gain leverage. So, to make it short, i don't get why people are getting mad all over the interwebs, this was an awesome discussion,everybody remained calm and polite, weat did a good job at leading it. Congratulation on that part.
Second: on the debate itself. I feel that even if Alex had a point, he is wrong about the eyeballs slasher is dragging to this kind of news. I think gamespot has a way wider audience than any other website which might talk about these kind of news. EG should rejoice that somebody is willing to talk about there players signing on this kind of websites. I mean, who is going to follow the announcement without Slasher-type of guys? TLers? people who go on the EG website? Who the hell goes to the EG website outside of people who are already hardcore fans of the game AND the team? SO, i think that the team union is dumb idea, which would cost the scene, and the whole thing is more balanced than alex seems to feel. Slasher is not only leeching the teams, he kind of feeds them too.. Yep, Alex is killing esport, i said it. Considering Slasher, i don't know what stance he should choose. I don't mind waiting 2 days more to know who signed who,and it's true that just reading a tweet saying " X signed X" can't get me really hyped, but i watch announcement videos anyways, cause i'm starving for content. Long story short, i don't really have an opinion. Journalism is good ,is part of healthy environment , hurting teams is bad, a balance needs to be found, and will be one way or another. If the teams get that mad when somebody blow their "surprise", i wouldn't want to be the journalist who will criticize them, make them look bad, and that's not a good sign for the future of our scene i think, but the teams have shown many time they respect valid points. I just want to see how all this pans out.
AS for the TB part, it was very informative, and almost consensual so i don't think there is much to discuss here. ( i just liked TB a lot, found him really smart, but i guess he understands both sides, he is one of the guys who gets the word about our scene out there too, and got hit on a lot too when the scene was blowing up, for different reasons ). That last part was pretty much guys trying to tell a friend that he might be getting into troubles if he kept doing what he is doing, and about what good journalism is, and what good PR managment is. Still interesting, less polemic.
So, just my two cents on the subject,i don't post a lot, i just usually lurk in the shadows but what i really wanted to express the most was my support to all the people in this show, after glancing at the terrible idiocy of reddit this week about EG being Evil and Stupid ( see what i did there? ), and slasher getting ganged up on, it was just a debate between two sides who have different professional interests (BTW geoff did a good job at presenting it, and remaining almost neutral when he was clearly involved, kudos, man). That 's just business, everybody trying to defend their point, and some frictions happening. Quite usual. Overall It was a quality debate, frankly something that would happen behind the scenes in every other media, but because we have this awesome internet culture, we get to talk about it. Keep on the good work.
Edit: after re-reading my post, i feel i was to nice with everybody to fit the standards on the internets, so i have to be mean. First, slasher, your mic sucks, TB you dropping out of the call while being smart and all was infuriating, i hate you for that and wheat, you're not even a real DJ, or at least i don't know about it, and that's your fault, you're the one who should be producing content, and watchs streams all day instead. Take that! (sorry for any english mistakes of strange sentences, or repetitions i'm doing my best to be clear.)
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On January 18 2013 08:16 Fiallach wrote:
I just finished listening to the show, and i've some thoughts:
First: this was an AMAZING discussion. It got me thinking , and i like smart shows that make me think. There are clearly two sides to this discussion with valid points. everybody remained calm and civil. I feel The Alex part was more a negotiation than a debate, and it's cool to witness that. Alex may have got a little heated in the end, with the whole "i'm done with you"-union-bridgesburning thing but it's probably because the whole thing was public and it can make some people nervous, and, come on! it's part of a negotiating, showing that you are willing to put your threats into acts. I feel that it was just a move,to apply pressure. You can't blame the guy for defending his business, and using the tools he's got in his hands to threaten the journalist he feels is hurting his business. That's how it works, all the time, in every type of business. A threat is just a way to gain leverage. So, to make it short, i don't get why people are getting mad all over the interwebs, this was an awesome discussion,everybody remained calm and polite, weat did a good job at leading it. Congratulation on that part.
Second: on the debate itself. I feel that even if Alex had a point, he is wrong about the eyeballs slasher is dragging to this kind of news. I think gamespot has a way wider audience than any other website which might talk about these kind of news. EG should rejoice that somebody is willing to talk about there players signing on this kind of websites. I mean, who is going to follow the announcement without Slasher-type of guys? TLers? people who go on the EG website? Who the hell goes to the EG website outside of people who are already hardcore fans of the game AND the team? SO, i think that the team union is dumb idea, which would cost the scene, and the whole thing is more balanced than alex seems to feel. Slasher is not only leeching the teams, he kind of feeds them too.. Yep, Alex is killing esport, i said it. Considering Slasher, i don't know what stance he should choose. I don't mind waiting 2 days more to know who signed who,and it's true that just reading a tweet saying " X signed X" can't get me really hyped, but i watch announcement videos anyways, cause i'm starving for content. Long story short, i don't really have an opinion. Journalism is good ,is part of healthy environment , hurting teams is bad, a balance needs to be found, and will be one way or another. If the teams get that mad when somebody blow their "surprise", i wouldn't want to be the journalist who will criticize them, make them look bad, and that's not a good sign for the future of our scene i think, but the teams have shown many time they respect valid points. I just want to see how all this pans out.
AS for the TB part, it was very informative, and almost consensual so i don't think there is much to discuss here. ( i just liked TB a lot, found him really smart, but i guess he understands both sides, he is one of the guys who gets the word about our scene out there too, and got hit on a lot too when the scene was blowing up, for different reasons ). That last part was pretty much guys trying to tell a friend that he might be getting into troubles if he kept doing what he is doing, and about what good journalism is, and what good PR managment is. Still interesting, less polemic.
So, just my two cents on the subject,i don't post a lot, i just usually lurk in the shadows but what i really wanted to express the most was my support to all the people in this show, after glancing at the terrible idiocy of reddit this week about EG being Evil and Stupid ( see what i did there? ), and slasher getting ganged up on, it was just a debate between two sides who have different professional interests (BTW geoff did a good job at presenting it, and remaining almost neutral when he was clearly involved, kudos, man). That 's just business, everybody trying to defend their point, and some frictions happening. Quite usual. Overall It was a quality debate, frankly something that would happen behind the scenes in every other media, but because we have this awesome internet culture, we get to talk about it. Keep on the good work.
Edit: after re-reading my post, i feel i was to nice with everybody to fit the standards on the internets, so i have to be mean. First, slasher, your mic sucks, TB you dropping out of the call while being smart and all was infuriating, i hate you for that and wheat, you're not even a real DJ, or at least i don't know about it, and that's your fault, you're the one who should be producing content, and watchs streams all day instead. Take that! (sorry for any english mistakes of strange sentences, or repetitions i'm doing my best to be clear.)
Thumbs up, liked your post a lot (you should come out of the shadows more often)
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Both the teams and Slasher are well within their rights to do whatever they want to best serve themselves. What I don't understand is what refusing to talk to Slasher actually achieves. Surely if it's that detrimental to their teams, they are already not sharing information directly with him that they don't want leaked. So if his information is coming from leaks within organisations, then 'boycotting' Slasher isn't going to do anything. I see the point that he could easily be getting information from other teams that didn't win player bidding wars, so if somehow you could get all of the teams to refuse to talk to Slasher it might work, but somehow I doubt it. And I don't see what restricting access to your players would do except hurt you, as Slasher getting interviews from them only gives you more exposure.
Also, I understand that teams like EG and TL want to do a nice job of their announcements, but surely most of the time Slasher would not be aware of a player signing before the team doing the signing. If the page views themselves are the main important thing, the teams could put out a short article themselves before Slasher easily. If he's publishing the information before things and contracts are 100% finalised then this wouldn't be possible I guess.
As far as Slasher goes, I have no issue with him publishing information being leaked to him. That's well within his right to do, but I also agree with the team owners that they have to protect themselves. It's just whether the benefits outweigh the costs for him. Personally I'd rather see quality journalism instead of leaks of announcements, but if the leaks make him more money then good for him. I think this scene is pretty fucking lacking in decent investigative journalism, and Slasher is in the best position possible to do something about that.
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[B] So if his information is coming from leaks within organisations, then 'boycotting' Slasher isn't going to do anything. I see the point that he could easily be getting information from other teams that didn't win player bidding wars, so if somehow you could get all of the teams to refuse to talk to Slasher it might work, but somehow I doubt it.
I think you're missing the point. Alex is saying to slasher "if you don't stop leaking, you won't get any more interviews from my players, and from the players of the teams you've pissed off." It's just basically a threat to slasher if he doesn't stop leaking stuff, not a direct way to stop him from leaking the info.
[B] And I don't see what restricting access to your players would do except hurt you, as Slasher getting interviews from them only gives you more exposure.
Totally agree with you on that. Team should be happy people speculate and talk about them. They are basically living off their fame, since they live off their sponsors. Not giving anymore interviews to the gamespot guy seems counterproductive, even if he's done some things you don't like.
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On January 18 2013 09:05 Fiallach wrote:
I think you're missing the point. Alex is saying to slasher "if you don't stop leaking, you won't get any more interviews from my players, and from the players of the teams you've pissed off." It's just basically a threat to slasher if he doesn't stop leaking stuff, not a direct way to stop him from leaking the info.
Yeah you're right, I did.
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Is the quality of the journalism really important? Is any quantification of journalism important? As far as I know, there are people who read what Slasher puts out there, which in itself warrants his existence. It might not be important what he does, but I also don't consider myself in a position to dictate what is. I feel as if we (the people who are not journalists) should not get to decide what becomes news or even how it is being acquired. News should not be selected based on whether they are well received or not.
If we started regulating reports then we would only have relays, not journalists. The reason we want journalists is that some things are hidden and unless uncovered would never be known by others. This is what journalists do. But in most cases, things are being hidden for a reason. Someone stands to lose from the uncovering of such things and obviously they wouldn't want that. It is not always going to be about someone that we like and a something that wasn't important.
Even though this kind of leaking hold no real importance to people in general (sorry JD but children are starving in africa), the idea is that if there was something important we need a person like Slasher to report it. Until such a thing appears, he will report other things and we must accept that and live with it. Because there are those out there that are interested in what he does. If nobody was, his reporting would be a non-issue either way.
Maybe his actions were unethical, but quite frankly the readings on the ethical-o-meter is pretty close to the +/- 0 line either way. If Slasher had kidnapped Alex and forced this information out of him with torture, that would be unethical, but also illegal. Legality is the only tangible measurment of ethics we have. Anything below that treshold is annoying but acceptable.
If you don't want things to be uncovered about your company, don't cover it up to begin with. Obviously this is not something that can always be done, but hopefully the gist of my point comes across anyway. There is no knowledge that the majority does not benefit from having as long as it is not fabricated knowledge. Transparency is perhaps not without drawbacks but they are outweighed by the benefits in the long run.
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